Posted by: _____ September 26, 2012
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This also indicates that they were tax collectors on behalf of Sikkim. This history was not written by Baauns. How come a chronicle written in Limbu language and from Sikkim refers them as  “chiefs” not King or Raja or kaji etc?

When Karna Sen ran away to Vijayapyr, Buddhikarna invited him to occupy the vacant throne. In this manner, the hill and Tarai territories of Chaudandi were fully annexed to Nepal within a period of 11 months.

The situation in the Limbuwan region of Vijayapur was critical at that time. Taking advantage of the dissensions between the king and his ministers, King Phunchek Namgyal of Sikkim occupied Ilam and attacked Limbuwan from the north-west of Ilam. The Limbus of these regions were therefore anxious to welcome the Gorkhali troops. Realizing this, the Gorkhali troops commanded bu Ramakrishna Kunwar crossed the Arun river from Dingla and reached Chainpur. Bobady blocked their advances. The writ of the King and his minister was confined to the areas surrounding the capital of Vijayapur, where King Karna Sen and his minister, Buddhikaran, were staying. It was the monsoon. Both the King and miniter were complacent, because they thought that the Gorkhali troops would not cross the Koshi and enter into Vijayapur during his season. However, Abhiman Simha Basnyat achieved his impossible task. Gorkhali troops, riding on elephant, crossed the turbulent Koshi and launched a surprise attack on Vijayapur (July 17, 1774). Unable to repulse this attack, king Karna Sen and Minister Buddhikarna fled to Sikkimalong with their troops. With the occupation of Vijayapur, the Limbu Subbas (chiefs) of the area from Islingwa to Changthapu in the Limbuwan region bordering Sikkim accepted Prithvi Narayan Shah’s suzerainty. Thus the entire Pallokirat region, with the exception of Ilam, was annexed without fight.

http://madhesi.wordpress.com/2007/01/14/historical-the-sen-kingdoms/

 

How many evidence you want my friend? Could you provide one verifiable evidence or history written by third party?

By the way what will happen if Limbu didn’t have Limbuwaan as a country and Limbu as a king? Will World war third start? Will universe turn upside down?

Is it shameful if your ancestors didn’t establish a great country?

Mr. Daaku,

You posted about 10 Rajya /Kingdom of Limbu, again from your Historians. I would like to see verifiable evidence of them being “Kingdom” not area ruled by tax collector “chiefs”

I can find those 10 kingdom posted in many Limbu related websites but what I am asking is where is a verifiable evidence. Other historians said they were tax collectors and they started to behave like ruler when the centre of those countries was week. I have posted evidence above.

Please check above posting who were the “chief” of some of the Limbu Kingdoms you mentioned.

History of Sikkim says “Tosngs were subjected for forced labour”   In the year 1752 the Tsongs rose in arms, but were subdued and won over by tactfully by Chandzod Karwang.

You can imagine the punishment imposed upon them after they were won over. That means condition was not easy for “tsongs” in Sikkim. That is why they fled over to Limbuwana and invited Sen King to rule them.

Kirat_Rocks

When British with fighting with Tipu Sultan and other Kings in India they were also busy in war with Napoleon in Europe. Most of the war in India was funded by rival kings (with very high interest off course) and solders were Indians with few exception. So War with Tipu Sultan cannot be an obstacle for British to come in contact with Limbuwana.

It is because Limbuwana was controlled by Nepal, Sikkim or Sen Rajya in different time in History. Limbuwana.

Limbu History confuses itself by saying those tax collectors and security officers as king.

 The Magar Chieftain Tashi Bidur also revolted, though he was subdued. Limbuana was, however, lost to Nepal.

http://sikkim.nic.in/sws/sikk_his.htm

This indicates that at that time Limbuwana was under Sikkim. And in Sikkim Magars also had to revolt, most probably there were not treated fairly.

Some website are writing like this

Same web site says

 वि.सं. १८२५ तिर वुद्धिकर्ण राय लिम्वु राजा भए उक्त समयान्तरमा अथिङहाङ लिम्वु पनि राजा भए

Whereas history of Sikkim, books written by British mentions Budhhikaran as sort of Ptime minister or military chief.

Why we need scientist ha?

PS: Don’t get upset when someone challenges your believe. Even the belief of existence of god has been challenged.

Mr. Daaku ,

During unification Gorkhali forces fought war with forces of Limbuwana. But that also does not necessarily give the existence of Kingdom in that area.

Why?

One of the very famous war Gorkhali fought was in Kirtipur, Gorkhali suffered heavy loss. PN Shah’s brother lost his eye and General Kalu Pandey was killed. Even PNS almost got killed. But Kirtipur was not a “Rajya”.

My friend, writing History wrong way brings strange changes in Society. They can make “Ram” and “Krishna” God. How many ppl worship them as God? And what is its impact on society. Some people might go crazy if someone publically says they were not god. And there are many temples constructed to house their idle (this part is constructive though, it created job, and help spread art at that time.)

FYI

Jesus cites wife in fourth-century script, says US scholar


A fourth-century fragment of papyrus that divinity professor Karen King says is the only existing ancient text that quotes Jesus explicitly referring to having a wife. Photograph: Karen King/AP

A Harvard University professor has unveiled a fourth-century fragment of papyrus she said is the only existing ancient text quoting Jesus explicitly referring to having a wife.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/19/jesus-wife-ancient-script-harvard

We don’t need story tellers writing history, we need scientist to find the truth.

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