Posted by: _____ September 26, 2012
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 Daaku, looks like you are confused -what the word “Limbu” stands for

First, you said Limbu translates to "archer" or "bearer of bow and arrow”. Bow and arrow are very sacred to the Limbus.

This definition is in many “Limbu” related website too

According to this definition any bearer of the bow and arrow can be called “LIMBU” (there was no restriction put in this definition)

Carrying a bow and arrow was a common practice of different tribes living in that area. Actually at one time carrying bow and arrow was common practice among different tribes around the world.

When I explained that a common practice cannot separate different races, common practice does not require separation only specific practice requires new identification according to Sociology.

Then I gave some plausible explanation (which may or may not be true)

Then you come with the concept that “When the Yakthung people ousted their tyrant kings, in tribute to the weapon with which the revolution succeeded, they started calling themselves "Limbu".

Who were those tyrant kings? Where is the evidence? In what year that ousting happened? On one hand you say the relation between “tsong” and the rulers of the Sikkim were not that bad, they never dominated Limbus and there was never a major confrontation between Sikkim and Limbus then my friend, tell me against whom the Yakthung revolted?

Can you show me the evidence of the existence of the word Limbu in documents written before 1770 AD?

 I would like to accept it if you give me some verifiable evidence regarding it. Just don’t say things like a story teller. If I have to believe whatever you say then I also have to believe Krishna is a god because someone else said so. Unless someone comes with verifiable evidence to prove that Krishna was a god I am not going to believe it. Similarly I am not going to believe anything just because some group says so. In what age do you think we live in? Stone age?

So “limbus” are descendent of Yakthumba, not any other group/s? Are you sure? Do you have any evidence to support it? Then how come there are so many family names in Limbu?  Or those family names were started after they became Limbu? where is the proof??

My friend, gone are the days when you write /say something and others have to believe without any verification. Get out of your closet and try to understand and feel the current of the change

People speaking the same language, practising the same culture/tradition/religion and sharing the same DNA belong to one clan. Your claim that Bahun/Chettri/Newar living in Limbuwan are Limbus is a JOKE.

I answered it before saying a different perception but looks like you won’t understand unless someone hits you hard

How naive is that perception?

Is it necessary to speak same language, practice same culture/tradition/religion and sharing same DNA belongs to one Clan??

If a Limbu becomes Christian he is no longer a limbu? A Budhhist Limbu is not a Limbu?

History of Limbu shows there were different clans, how will you explain that?

Look what Limbu website says about different clans in Limbu

Limbu Clans and Tribes are divided into the Lhasa gotra (those from Lhasa,Tibet) and Yunan gotra (those who come from Yunan China). The Limbu are known as das limbu (ten Limbu), even though there are actually thirteen Limbu sub-groups. Legend says that five of the groups came from Yunnan, China and the other eight from Lhasa, Tibet.

http://www.pahimpariwar.com/limbushistory.htm

You could have at least checked websites related with Limbus before posting something like that. Don’t make fun of yourself please.

Do you think that people coming from Lhasa and China have same DNA? Do you think Chinese and Tibeteian phenotype is same? Same culture etc?? You have a vision problem or what?

Were you counting the number of hair in your left testicle while writing this?

Same DNA?? Are you day dreaming? Tell your answer to any biochemist/genetic engineer or sociologist and ask his advice about it and let me know his answer. Your answer was too idiotic to discuss so I tried to avoid the matter saying different perception but my friend you hit back saying

your claim that Bahun/Chettri/Newar living in Limbuwan are Limbus is a JOKE. “

Could you read following, posted in websites?

Unlike the caste systems brought forward to Nepal region since the Hindu invasion, social discrimination or caste system is not practised among the Limbu people and Limbu sub-groups, however there are numerous different clans and sects.

http://www.pahimpariwar.com/limbushistory.htm

I don’t think you know what you are talking about.

You compelled me to say something on this.

 I feel like I am debating with an eighth grader.

And you know how much difference in DNA is there between a Rai and Limbu?? Could you enlighten me on this?

Different clans can have same language/culture and religion haven’t you seen this around you? Or do I need to explain?

If Limbuwaan is a geographical area anyone living there can be Limbu like Nepal is a Geographical area so anyone who has Nepali citizen is Nepali, you don’t have to follow same religion/culture/language/and share same DNA.

And existence of Limbuwaan not as a country but as a geographical area is evident from Tibetain/Sikkimi and Bhutanese Histroy.

Till now I have seen evidence of existence of Sikkim/Nepal/Bhutan nominated tax collectors collecting tax and providing security to the people living in Limbuwaan.

Please don’t act on sentiments instead come with verifiable evidence

Daaku,

Do you know what original inhabitant of Limbuwaan called? Why Limbu people are not saying about this when I searched internet I found very interesting things like

·         Bhuiphutta tribes: Original inhabitants of Limbuwan.( my comment so, Limbu were not the original inhabitant?)

·         Yakthumba: The great Limboo fighters of Limbuwan regions.(my comment: that means not all limbus are yakthumba)

·         Thums: Sub-Divisions in Limbuwan.(my comment not country)

·         Yiok : Regions of Limbuwan.( my comment: they don’t say it as a capital, why?)

·         Khambongba-Lungbongba : Original tribes in Limboos.

http://www.sikkimonline.info/blogs/2010/10/useful-terms-and-definition.html

Word “Bhuiphutta” doesn’t sound a limbu word does it? So what happened to that tribe may I ask? Shall I ask for evidence for this or not? If I have to believe whatever you post then I have to believe this also without asking for any evidence isn’t it. Then how Limbus can claim “Aadibasi “of Limbuwaan?

So if you claim Limbuwaan is the place of Limbus then how come some other people saying bhuphutta tribes are the original inhabitants of Limbuwaan? Have you ever thought about it? Or you happy hiding inside a cubicle of your thoughts?

This is New Nepal my friend gone are the days of blind acceptance just because someone says so. Every claim will be challenged. You may not like it but this is a part of democracy.

Daaku,  not only about Limbuwaan but claim of any culture /group/religion which claims so and so was always been challenged. Even the concept very existence of the God was always challenged. So no offense intended here.

In Nepal many races/ethnicity are trying to prove that that had such and such glorious past.  For me, If some race had glorious past and awful present means they messed up with their “glory” when they had it.

My friend, it is not necessary for any cast/religion/ethnicity to have glorious past to enjoy present life/Nepali Life/to practice rights and follow the rule. It is the way of life these days. Because you were born in a race ethnicity/religion which had glorious past doesn’t not give you any privilege.

Also read

It is set to believe that Tsong people or Limbu clans in Sikkim were natives from the U-Tsang territory of Tibet. They migrated from Sjiyatse, Penam, Norpu, Giengtse etc. of the Tsang province of Tibet. They followed their guru Matog Lama and settled in Sikkim. The local people in Sikkim are called Chong, Tsong because of their migration from the "district of Tsang/ Tsong in Tibet". In Nepal and Darjeeling this word is also seldom used by Limbus to describe Sikkimese Limbu clans.

http://www.pahimpariwar.com/limbushistory.htm

And you come in sajha and talk about one clan/culture etc. My friend, use your brain while writing not the testicles.

Daaku you never answered what history of Sikkim says which I quoted in my posting earlier. Like

A boundary dispute with Bhutan also arose. The Magar Chieftain Tashi Bidur also revolted, though he was subdued. Limbuana was, however, lost to Nepal.

http://www.sikkim.nic.in/sws/sikk_his.htm

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