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Posted on 04-06-12 5:53 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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i did some studies on native american culture, religion...............and also found this video connected with kirat.
how come native americans(amerinds) culture simliar with kirat culture from nepal even though they are thousands of miles apart.
the native americans are now documented to have crossed the bering land bridge from central asia during ice age.  the bering strait, sepearating siberia from alaska is only 120 feet deep. during ice age it stoods hundred of feet above sea level, forming a land bridge.
the bering land bridge was used by caribou, reindeer, wooly mammoth, camels and giant slots. some of these species surived in western hemisphere while others were hunted to extinction by native americans and later the europeans.

anthropological evidence clearly points amerinds to their asiatic heritage. amerinds language are also simliar in syntax to those of northeastern asia. "Amerinds have Type O blood carrying a specific antigen found only in Mongolian peoples"

so did amerinds really crossed the bering land bridge from central asia.  video of amerinds and kirat people.




 
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@Nepalibitich  Don't teach me your "bullshit" theory, coz i heard you're an Internet troll not a scientist . ,here i give u ur ancestor.
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@fantush
i got no idea what you trying to prove by pasting the poster of that monkey. yes we know we evolved from monkey. but didn't i said that different monkey evolved in different regions, different part of the world. some monkey evolved in africa and some in europe and some in asia.  the native american happen to be asian monkeys. simple as that but you are taking too far.
you can believe in out of africa theory but also try to learn multi regional side and compare.

here's the multi regional evidence recently discoverd in China. 

110,000-year-old Chinese Fossil Poses Challenge to 'Out of Africa' Theory

 

Dating back to 110,000 years ago, a human fossil found in China could provide evidence disputing the theory that all modern day humans originally came from Africa.

 

Last week, China’s Institute of Vertebrate Paleontology and Paleoanthropology announced the discovery. Comprising of a human jawbone fragment, the fossil was found a year ago in southern China’s Guangxi pronvince.

Jin Changzhu, a researcher with the institute, said the find was especially important since very few human fossils from this evolutionary period have been found in China. He added that the jawbone is that of an early modern human, but it also bears the traits of our more primitive ancestors.

 “The chin protrudes out like a Homo sapiens would, but the jaw also slopes in way like that of a Homo erectus,” he said.

Not Out of Africa Theory

 

Wu Xinzhi, a professor with the institute, said he believes the discovery presents evidence to challenge the “Out of Africa” hypothesis.

 

This theory, which is more commonly held among scientists, argues that modern day humans directly descended from ancestors on the African continent. They then started to migrate across the globe around 60,000 years ago and replaced the more primitive humans. 

“If this is true, then in China, we should not be able to find a mandible (jaw) of a fossil with modern features older than 60,000 years,” Wu said. “But this Guangxi mandible is 110,000 years old. This means that this ‘Out of Africa’ theory is not true, at least not for China.”

Instead, Wu said the fossil find lends support to another theory called the multiregional hypothesis. Under this scenario, humanity’s ancestors from Africa spread themselves across other continents by interbreeding with other primitive humans and evolving regionally. The blend of modern human and Homo erectus characteristics of the fossil found in China provides evidence for this Wu said.



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@Nepalibitich  , don't copy and paste copyright articles , i can study myself in the internet.

 
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Educate yourselves people and draw your conclusions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFK3-aeWEPA&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLE11D2EDC515A1FC7

 
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thank you @snurp for the video of out of africa theory. the video you posted believed that modern humans came from africa.
but here's another theory known as multiregional. in this theory, modern humans evolved in different place. that modern humans did not only came from africa but also elsewhere.

Not all Humans came from Africa.



certainly nepalese and asians will agree we are not African after watching this.

 
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I don't know about other nepali folks, but i am not convinced. Did you recently hear about people in CERN who found for a few months that neutrinos travelled faster than light that would break all the laws of the universe?

First up, chinese have never ever believed in the common ancestor even when their own major university conducted genetic tests in its people only to neatly trace back to "out of africa" DNA. You see how they say in the article "one of the rare" fossils found only in china, and how in the end "at least chinese" didn't have the same ancestors.

And most importantly, this is ONLY one example although very important that warrants more research. There are hundreds, if not thousands of studies that have been conducted in people of all races ,ethnicity and geographical variation only to trace back to the same DNA. It is very hard to refute that.  By simple logic, if multiple region theory were true, there must be such fossil records all over the world. Unfortunately, we havent' found any and that speaks volumes.

To me this is another reason we, humanity, should set aside our differences. We're the same! But like I said, you're free to draw your own conclusions.

 
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 Troll : lower form of life, filthy loosers

Ignore it.

These people are so against the NRNs but at the same time so proud to represent themselves as native americans. Hypocrite douchebags.
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Many countries in the New World and elsewhere celebrate the anniversary of Christopher Columbus's arrival in the Americas, which occurred on October 12, 1492, as an official holiday. The event is celebrated as Columbus Day in the United States.

What is historical truth? Does the story of Indian-white relations taught in our history books accurately reflect
American Indian experience?  Or is the history of the Americaa actually "his-story" - i.e, white, male and Eurocentric?
These questions came to a head in 1992 in the controversy surrounding the Columbian Quincentennial, the 500-year anniversary
of the voyage of the Christopher Columbus across the Atlantic Ocean and the "discovery" and conquest of the Americas. How
to "celebrate" or observe the quincentennial became a profound question for many Native Americanss.


Reasons on why not to celebrate Columbus Day!


Was He a Fool? - from Without Reservation(WOR)
[About Christopher Columbus]

Was he a fool or was he a hero?
The motherf___er was lost, that makes him a zero in
my book! cuz of the lives he took, cuz of the land he
stole, all in the hopes of gold!
trick him, put him down in American mythology as a
hero that never really could be.
You see, his claim to fame was discovering a land
already claimed by 10 million redmen!

he comes to MY land thinking it's India?
I got news for you, you don't have a clue
of where you are, but they still gave you a holiday! the
lie is up, now it's time to pay!
in 1999, whatcha gonna do? people pushed up
so consider yourself through: your name, your fame,
your game, consider it over! when i'm done with you,
you'll be rolling over in your grace, yeah it's just like
that! cuz  if you were alive, I'd have to get the gat and
blast your ass outta this atmosphere
a hero to me? You could never be!

I'm not from India, don't call me an Indian!
I'm not American, cuz we got our own land,
or what's left of it,
they took it, stole it, raped it,
and now they're destroying it!
They left my people in poverty, they starve me!
a genocidal catastrophe, how can it be? they say they
got a plan, but they don't understand, they're the damn
reason we're sinking in quicksand!

But those days of sinking are over!
and we know you ain't nothing but a rover.
We had enough of this. We're coming back with fist!
Telling truths about things that are ludicrous.
They take a man like Christopher Columbus, they mold
him, shape him and make him their gero. but the bottom
line is The Facts are simple. you might as well be
honoring a pimple.

"What!?!" A pimple's a thing, disgusting white and
dirty. It's okay to say you heard it from me!
(the comparison) Oh, how embrassing! To honor a
man who was just on a scam plan!
How the hell did he think this was his land?
"but, that's what they teach us in school?"
it's their plan to fill a land full of fools that think
only whatcha tell'em.
but not me, I won't stop yelling about the truth.
just leave the simple facts to me.
Listen! Open your eyes so you can see
about Columbus and what he did to us
and then you'll see why
we're raising such damn fuss.

Columbus, The Modern-Day scenario: unbearable,
incomparable! Suppose some punk
walked straight up in your house, and
yelled out, "Get the Hell Out!"
raped your wife and beat your kids
(that's what he did, God forbid!)
Then to make matters worse, they throw him a party!
a celebration? what a nation, to honor the man who
led to the onslaught! They forget? I won't let'em.


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Posted on 04-08-12 1:18 AM     [Snapshot: 893]     Reply [Subscribe]
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Thumbs up giordano, it is like religion, people only accept and follow the part that benefits them the most. F*ing hypocrites.
 
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Discarding the Evolution theory(ie, out of africa theory) in the light of tons and tons of evidence is a disgrace to human intelligence.

 
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 lu lu @nepalibitch yo post ma timi mooji le bhaneko kura sabai 100% sacho ho re aba k ghantaa khulkauchau, khali usle matra human evolution ko barema padeko jasto...mooji Why people in different part of the world looks different? despite having a  common ancester? answer is mutation,selective breeding,inbreeding with other archaic human population (for eg ancient asian population might have interbred with denisovans, an archaic human species) etc etc mooji timro dimag mai racial bias cha, cheeknay hatred rakhera post halchau goole moola...BTW na dhati bhana hai timi tei dilip rai haina? :))) 
 
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thanks for your imput@poozaree. i am not really corcerned about evolution of human being and where we came from
at this moment because there are many theories regarding human origin. Some said adam and eve were our parents and we were made from the dust.
The Biblical narrative states man was made personally by God from the dust of he earth. It does not say man came from an evolution of the family of primates (monkeys, apes, chimpanzees and etc).

In the Qur'an, Allah reveals that the creation of the human is a miracle. The first human being was created by Allah shaping clay into human form and breathing a soul into it:

Your Lord said to the angels, "I am going to create a human being out of clay. When I have formed him and breathed My Spirit into him, fall down in prostration to him!" (Qur'an, 38:71-72)


Then inquire of them: Is it they who are stronger in structure or other things We have created? We created them from sticky clay. (Qur'an, 37:11)


When the human body is examined today, it may be discovered that many elements present on the earth are also to be found in the body. Living tissues contain 95% carbon, hydrogen, oxygen, nitrogen, phosphorus and sulphur, with a total of 26 different elements. In another verse of the Qur'an we are told:
We created man from an extract of clay. (Qur'an, 23:12)

 


This thread is meant to explore indigenious,  native people of America. so please help me with your thoughts.
i want to know if anyone has read  "Native American Women and Coerced Sterilization" by Sally J. Torpy

 If yes could you share your thoughts.
a. describe
the nature and extent of sterilization of Indian women in the United States in the 1970s.
b. secondly why was sterilization a source of concern to those in the Red Power movement?
c. What is the significance of the concept of "institutional discrimination" to this issue?


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I believe they are related .... they have similar physical features, have their own culture, tradition, festivities.

Native Americans used to migrate back and forth depending on season and after the loss of strait, some settled there. And their decendents migrated to Nepal.



 
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@snowfed_river
that's what i believed too. and my professors also said the same thing on how the native american used to migrate back and forth between alsaka, america and siberai, asia before the loss of the land bering bridge.
and no doubt the native american religion is distinctly similar to kirat.  both native american and kirat religion are based on worshipping of the land and  nature. again both cultures pray to their ancestors as well. other people who doesn't understand their religion call it pagan religion. interestingly both culture have shaman priest (medicine man) which they communicate with the unkown world.
so it is easily seen that amerinds drifted from asia into the new world crossing the bering land bridge.

kirat people thousand miles away from amerind but their culture is almost identical.  i just love their religion due its simplicity and the truth it has.




 
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@Nepalbitich , Who gives Rat's ass either u r Ki-Rat  or whatever???? Try to be Human first that's what important   .by the way u didn't answer the question ,Are you dilip rai or not????

 
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 nepalbitch is a Sajha Troll he is known by is username diliprai in youtube, btw nepalbitch even if u try to make sense it still stinks >< 
 
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@poozaree,
Suppose some punk
walked straight up in your house, and
yelled out, "Get the Hell Out!"
raped your wife and beat your kids

are you going to honor that punk,  throw him a celebration?

According to the United Nation’s Convention, the definition of Genocide refers “as the committing of certain acts with the intent to destroy – wholly or in part – a national ethnic, racial or religious group as such”. The acts included killing, causing serious bodily or mental harm. Others included physical destruction, imposing measures to prevent birth and finally, forcibly transferring children of one group to another group.  Now studying the definition of Genocide declared by the UN convection and compared to the history of the landing of Christopher Columbus and the advent of the White European therafter, it is no doubt that genocide has been committed in multitude ways on Native American people.  While the U.S tries to champion its cause as the freedom fighter around the world, look no forward as how they(White American)  tried to hide many aspects of genocide committed on its homesoil on the native American. Many people say Columbus Day is a celebration of imperialism, racism and colonization.
please feel for the souls, 65 million native american were killed. watch this video on how they were killed by the white european people,



 
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So are you trying to say "some NRN's
walked straight into your house, and
yelled out, "Get the Hell Out!"
raped your wife and beat your kids"???

Is that why you hate NRNs? 

If that's the case, I feel sorry for ya bruh and i surely wont honor those NRNs
. If you had your head out of your ass, then that wouldn't have happened.

 
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FFREE HAWAII - People join my movement to  Free Hawaii
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Hawaii early inhabitants journeyed throughout the vast Pacific, guided by stars, the rising sun, clouds, birds, wave formation and flashing lights from the water's depth, They touched many lands, including the most isolated land mass in the world - the Hawaii. As seafarers, they continued commerce with cousins of the South Pacific many years after arriving in Hawaii. They had occassional contacts with Japan, Great Turtle Island(today North America) and other Pacific Rim places. Hawaii remained virtually unkown to Europeans until the arrival, in 1778, of James Cook, captain of the British navy.

During the reign of Kamehameha I (1779-1819), Hawaii traded with China, England, the United States and other nations on
a regular basis. On November 28, 1843, Great Britian and France joined in declaration recognizing Hawaii's independence and pledged never to take it as possession. By 1887, Hawaii had treaties and conventions with Belgium, Denmark, France, the German Empire, Great Britain, HongKong, Italy, Japan, the Netherlands, New South Wales(today Australia), Portugal, Russia, Samoa, Spain, Tahiti and the United States.

Hawaii sovereignity attacked:
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On January 16, 1893, American marines landed in peacful Hawaii armed with Gatling guns, Howitzer cannons, carbines and other instruments of war as well as double cartridge belts filled with ammunition. The United States troops marched along the streets of Honolulu, rifles facing Iolani palace, the seats of Hawaii sovereignity.
The following day, resident conspirators numbering eighteen, mostly Americans. sneaked to the back steps of the government building few yards from where the American troops had lodged the night before. There, Henry Cooper, and American lawyer and resident of Hawaii for less than a year, proclaimed that he and seventeen others were now the government of Hawaii. Calling themselves the "provisional government" and selecting Stanford Dole president, they were to exist  for the explicit purpose of annexing Hawaii to the United States. Along with minister plenipotentiary John L. Steven, the Americans demanded that Queen Lili' uokalani, the consitutional monarchy of the Hawaiin nation surrender to the Americans.  Faced with such threats, the queen eventually capitulated, but not without protest.


Hawaiin Statehood, 1959
--------------------------------------

Finally after three generations of brainwashing, Hawaiians were given the opportunity to be equal Americans. In posing the statehood question so adeptly, the United States government precluded any real self-determination by limiting choice to Hawaii's either remaining a territory of the United States or becoming a state within its union.
The question, Should Hawaii be free? was never asked. The White Americans living in the Hawaii chosed statehood overwhelmigly. disregarding the voices of native Hawaiin.


Re-emergence As a Sovereign, Independent Nation
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

Today, there is a growing vision of Hawaii becoming an independent nation, rejoining the ranks of other nations in the world.
So as you can see the United States has played double standard. While the United States tries to become champion of Human
Rights, Justice and Freedom, look no further than its policy on its own homeground. When the United States tells China
to FREE TIBET AND TAIWAN, it doesn't sees the need for FREE HAWAII. Many of such policies, racism, discrimnation on native Americans  has never been published nor told. But the world must know it so we can judge the United States on its own moral and principle. Will the United States going to recognize Hawaii as the free, sovereign, indepenent nation? Only time will tell.
 
 
 
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