what do u think of hinduism as Nepalese
As continued from my earlier post......!
Religion Divides only when some force others to convert and some take other religions and modified to make it into their own.
As khanrajiblnpal said " Hindu religion ,the amended version, modified by some so called high class evil minded archaic ppl"
I have read numerous text that say that many rituals, practices and Gods of Hinduism originated from the ancient tribes living in
the Indian-Sub continent before the advent of nomads Aryans settling down in Indus Valley.The nomads
conquest for their expansion of their civilizations led them to destroy the tribal religions and customs
and making it as their own through modifications of these tribal religions that befits the invaders.
This was called Aryanisation. Aryanisation was the process to convert other people, their customs, their religions and their way of life as their own (Aryan).
In other word it was to create a new identity(Hindu) over the existing reality.
For example Kirat worship their ancestors(Sumnima/Paruhang). Sumnima refers to Siva and Paruhang is his consort, Uma in Kirat Mythology.
Even in the Mahabharata text, it said that Siva is a God of Kiratas, an ancient tribes.
The scrips in Mahabaharata depicts this as i extracted some paragraphs from the book.
"We should recall that as early as the Mahabharata we find the legend of Siva Mahadeva, the Great God, taking the guise of a Kirata,
with Uma with him as a Kirata woman, to test Arjuna when he was practicing religious penance in the Himalayas: a legend which may have
its germs in the following vers of the Sata-rudriya section of the White Yajurveda (XVI, 7):
Asau yo vasarpati nila-grivo vilohitah
utainam gopa adrsrann vdaharyah: sa drsto mrdayati nah
May he who glides away, whose neck is azure, and whose hue is red, he whom the herdsmen, whom the girls who carry water have
beheld, may he when seen be kind to us." (Trans. by Ralph T. Griffith, Benares, 1899.)
And this is quite a high exaltation of the status of the non-Aryan hill people, the Kiratas, when the Supreme God with his consort was
made to take up the guise of a Kirata mountaineer and his wife. (KIRAT-JANA-KRTI)
The book, KIRAT-JANA-KRTI also mentioned that in the famous episode of Siva meeting Arjuna as Kirata, accompanied by Uma also in the
guise of a Sabari or a Kirati woman, in the Himalaya regions, when Arjuna went there to propitiate Siva by his austerities with a view to
obtain the boon of the Pasupata weapons from the Great God himself, as narrated in the Kirata-parvan section of the Vana-parvan of
A definite indication of what the Kirata people were like is given also. They were 'gold-like', i.e., yellow in colour (and not dark or black
like the Dasas and Dasyus and the Nisadas and other pre-Aryan peoples of the plains.) Cf. the following passages:---
Kairatam vesam asthaya kancana-druma-sannibham
"Taking up a Kirata resemblance, like unto a tree of gold" (IV, 35, 2);
dadarsatha tato jisnuh purusam kancana-prabham
"Then the Victorious One (Arjuma) saw a Man, shining like gold" (IV, 35, 17);
na tvam asmin vane ghore bibhesi kanaka-prabha
"O thou that art shining like gold (addressing Siva in the form of Kirata), dost thou not fear in this terrible forest" (IV, 35, 18).
It is therefore many scholars also have concluded that Siva was the God of Kirata and later it was Aryan who took Siva as their own God(Aryanized),
so basically Siva is seen more as Hindu God than tribal God.
As one scholar said "To begin with, the kipat system and the mundhum are traditionally uncontested metaphors of Kirata culture. Similarly the worshiping of
Tagera Nyingmaphuma or the supreme deity was a pan-Kirata symbol. But with the obilition of kipat system and the simultaneous influence
of Hinduism, these symbols have lost their strength considerably. Since Tagera Nyingmaphuma, is often personified as Shiva, who is not
only considered tribal God but also one of the Hindu pantheon, he cannot be claimed by the Kiratas as their exclusive God" ---Politics of Culture: A Study of Three Kirata Communities in the Eastern Himalayas), 1999 by Tanka Bahadur Subba
But while doing so the most dangerous thing after taking others religions and modifying them to create Hinduism through Aryanisation is quoted here by Gopal Gurung
"Let me quote you from the Reg-Vedas, the holiest of the Hindus. These quotes clearly project their racial egoism at the cost of other castes and despising that has continued even from that ancient epic age. "
The Bahun was born from the mouth,
the Chetri from the arms,
the Vaishya from the thighs and the Sudhra from the foot".
Can any one imagine a man born from the mouth "Worship Bahun even he has no merits. But never worship a Sudra, whatever qualities, merits and skills he might have. The penance you observe for killing a sudra is equal to the penance for killing a cat, a kitten or a grasshopper. The trader, the Kirat(mongol), the Kayastha, the gardener, the weaver, the Chandal (untouchable), the Kol ect: are born from the Bottom of the Bahun. To talk with them is a crime, which can be erased only by looking at the sun. Never share wisdom with the Sudra. The Sudras should never earn wealth, or else they will afflict the Bahuns. For the Sudras, left over food for eating, torn cloths for wearing, and hay for sleeping, will be fitting." These are some of the quotes from their holy s. Even in the Geeta they have demonstrated their communal attitude: "The prostitutes, the Sundrs and the women are of sinful births." The non-Hindu Mongol people, who have accepted the lowest Sudra status of the caste-order, learn a lesson from these quotes (56-57).
excerpts from the Hidden Facts in Nepalese Politics by Gopal Gurung
But before the creation of Hinduism, there were no caste/jat system in the tribal religions. These caste system was created only for the purpose of
benefiting the Brahmin's(Aryan) who wanted to be master of all races.
True religions does not create such system, does not differentiate classes and
is both God and Protector of all his subjects.
In reference to Nepal on Hinduism, it is said that Kirat Mundhum was banned and all sort of Kiranti documents were burned and destroy which the office used to
call Jatiya Nasta Bivag during the rule of shah and rana goverment as i mentioned above in my earlier post.
But because the Old Wallo Kiranti Sunuwar has been practicing and celebrating their rituals and religions, the Kirat Mundhum still exist today.
Conclusion: Hinduism is NOT really bad if we know the true facts behind it.
KIRATA-JANA-KRTI by Suniti Kumar Chatterji
The Kiratas in Ancient India by G.P Singh
A study of three Kirata communities
in the Eastern Himalayas by T.B. Subba
Nepali Rajniti ma Adhekhai Sachai (Hidden facts in Nepalese Politics) by Gopa Gurung