This is the day i have cried for the first time in my life for my country.    Last edited: 31-Jul-09 03:27 PM

raju161 · Jul 31, 2009 3:08 PM

It is not Jana-andolan who made country worse, it just flourish all the impurities from more than 200 years. Ya, for democracy to flourish, it will take time, don't try to go back and don't disrespect the people who came outside for better Nepal. It is not only no-quiro or Raju who are worried about Nepal, thousands of people are trying from their side to make New Nepal. Ya, because of our culture, lack of resources, lack of education, lack of vision, no one is able to guide Nepal. Don't blame others, every one is equally responsible but more the people like us who are educated, who are working for government, who are leaders because, we are always blaming the uneducated YCLs or other group, but we never look ourselves. The doctor never go to villages, engineers never build in villages, burocrats are always currupted, we the people who are educated are flourishing the bad culture, we never respect the law and order, at the same time these Napunsak politicians are either currupted or lay over with these beurocrats and international politics. Regarding king, that is the worst time where no educatin, no information systems, no rights for people and very small group is ruling the country and there was no hope. But we have hope now but the challenges are long ahead.

timer · Jul 31, 2009 3:29 PM

Timer how long can we go on blaming 200 years. We can't say people didn't had right to study before. They had right to study after Rana left.    If democracy to flourish takes time then why is it getting worse rather than better.  In My view Janandolan 2 has done nepal more harm than good.   Yeah it has been shown in much more brighter side by the politicians. But reality the darker side far overweighs the brighter side . You are follwoing what have been shown by politicians. I for one waited for 2-3 years , and its reprecussions are very evident now . Its not going to be better . And you yourself is saying educated people are not following rule of law .   But this all started from J2. Last edited: 31-Jul-09 03:40 PM

no_quiero · Jul 31, 2009 3:39 PM

Ya, my simple and innocent question here is, who can rule Nepal, King or what? Every one had seen 200 years of dark rule and we are not rich at that time, we are not educated at that time, you can argue me that there was a peace. Definitely, there was peace without food, without education, without human right, and with poverty. We don't have anything but now we have 109 armed groups, we have all the darkness but at the same time, we have a lot chance. What you want now? What is your vision for development of New Nepal, what you want to do? Please elaborate, it is easy to stay in USA and blame everyone or support King who himself is criminal, but thousands of Nepali are worried every second for better Nepal today but because of the people like us (specially who are educated, we are not doing anything, my parents probably doing corruption in government, or probably working as a educated people to earn money for me and my coming generation. So, please respect people, there sacrifice and they dignity. Don't think you are worried about Nepal and rest are laughing.

timer · Jul 31, 2009 3:46 PM

"Regarding king, that is the worst time where no educatin, no information systems, no rights for people and very small group is ruling the country and there was no hope. But we have hope now but the challenges are long ahead." Timer a suggestion for a wise- "Nothing is as dangerous as an ignorant friend." also  "little knowledge is a dangerous thing".   Nepal was divided in to 5 development regions with a central headquaters in each. Thinking education as the prime factor for the development of the country King Birendra proposed "Primary education should be given free of cost to all the Nepalese". Postal system was introduced for the first time at the time of King Rajendra. People who were backward and diversed were the prime focus of king Birendra. A special identity was given to them as the "prajas". .....bla bla bla.... no educatin- Nations best colleges and universities were built at the times of kings. I don't want to mention. no information systems- I have spent my childhood in the far eastern part of the country and had used all sorts of information systems since i was born. What kind of information system are you talking about? no rights for people What kinds of rights are you talking about? There are three basic rights of a human beings. Right to eat, right to live and right to clothes. Other fundamental rights are rights to vote, rights to speech, rights to press and others. None of these rights of mine were violated. small group is ruling the country absolutey not- Nepaese parilament was divided in to two house. House of representative and Nationa Assembly. Both of these house housed enough fagots to rule the country. there was no hope. There was hope. Because there was law and order in the country. Go and get some history lession. If you found any trouble ask me. I will help you out. Last edited: 31-Jul-09 04:26 PM

raju161 · Jul 31, 2009 4:14 PM

Ya, I Raju, I don't want to say myself, I am wise and also I know all the truths what you know, probably, I might be older than you (just my assumption). Ya, you give me some ideas like a child give an idea to his father that what he saw in the movie. Definitely, I know that truth and I have worked in Binauna, (Rapti Pari in Nepal with a bycycle) where No Nepal is there, no government was there, as a social worker and engineer, I worked in Kathmandu, I worked a lot part of Nepal and I know what you are saying, I am not perfect and my little knowlege my be dangerous. Ya, I am saw a dangerous poverty, darkside in education and I ran away from my country even if I am from Kathmandu (where I got education, where I live). Ya, you and me are responsible for this type of culture, I am thinking about University of Kalikot and Kalikot State University like USA. Probably, you might have that kind of feeling, definitely, in the time of Panchayat, there are polices and fudal in Country side where they can do whatever they want, kill, rape people but now it is difficult, because villages are more powerful, (criminal groups are diffirent), ya you can't talk about king or system, now you can talk about either pracanda or girija or king, you won't be dissapered (definitely because of the crime it is difficult, but it is diffirent issue). I never mean leaders are good, they are worst, they are hijadas, they are currpted but they are like you and me, Raju, you can be the leader and every one is writing about you, it is more about our culture, there are 1000s of leaders, king is one of them, but our culture is same, our education level is just improving little bit, nothing in Tarai still, it is more like bihar, so it is you and me, our parents, my son and every one in this time, situation and group.

timer · Jul 31, 2009 4:25 PM

Implementation of strict rules and laws is very necessary in Nepal at this moment. Politics in the name of student unions and youth force should be completely banned.          These student unions have made the education sector so bad in Nepal that every educated young person's first priority is to study abroad.          Democracy has been proved the best system in present day around the world. But people of Nepal behave so wild and uncivilized that sometimes I feel dictatorship will suit for our country.        

silugadi · Jul 31, 2009 4:26 PM

Timer the ony difference between you and me is, you want to live for tomorrow following the pigtail of sap heads and i want to live for today following the righteous one. There is a saying, "we worry what a child will become tomorrow, yet we forget that he is someone today." Tell me what is he today? A hooligan, a rioter, a crimina, a thug, a troublemaker?  Those childish answers was in response to the childish question put forth by you. I know every one knows these answers. But i was surprised by you. How could you ask this? Last edited: 31-Jul-09 04:47 PM

raju161 · Jul 31, 2009 4:39 PM

Ya, Raju, I want to live today, that is why I left my country for better education for me at this point ( I don't know about tomorrow), I visited Europe, I am still waiting to enjoy a lot but if I can't do anything, I can just try to make people atleast positive, at least have hope for future, at least any lightening you can see, I am not like you saying every thing is dead and we are dead, no we are always alive (ya I have a lot problems in my life and sometimes difficult to sleep) but life goes on, it will never return, lot of rajus, no quiros want Gyanendra back, but it won't happen, but I want another good person coming for better Nepal, I never regreat about Gyanendra, he is dark and always be dark.

timer · Jul 31, 2009 4:46 PM

raju ko euta kura ma chahi dam cha. Ahile ko sarkar le k banayo ta.  Tyahi bhako  university ni bigarya cha..  Tyahi purano bato ni banda garera hairaan cha.  As far as communication is concerned hasn't the world developed drastically  in the last 20 years in communication sector. Tyasaile bahudal aaera nepal ma communication ko development bhako bhannu chahi galat ho . Mobiles, Cheap tv stations, cable television all have come in last 20 years or so. Even in India it has come about 1990 same as in Nepal. Normally india ma aako kura nepal ma aai halcha. Ani jaha samma security ko kura cha. Timer lai euta kura thaha cha ki chaina. In 1986 one jounalist was killed in Nepal. I recently read in myrepublica.   It made a lot of  hue and cry during that time. People can't believe somebody was killed by bullet. It was the first time somebody was so openly killed with a gun.  People were in disbelief because bullet were not accessible in Nepal then.  It was very rare.  Compare that situation to current situation in nepal. And you would know the security situation. Maile yo sap bhanera gyane lai lyaunu parcha bhanya hoina. But all I wanted to say is that Janandolan 2 is a black episode of Nepal.  It has ruined nepal for a long time to come.

no_quiero · Jul 31, 2009 4:53 PM

First of all i am not saying everything is dead. And me too, i am trying to make peope ateast positive to differenciate what is right and what is wrong? Now i am happy that you have gradually deveoped hate for the current sap heads. Meanwhile i am taking about "Law and Order." Stay at the boat. I know you are all emotions. Don't jump out of the topic. 

raju161 · Jul 31, 2009 4:56 PM

Ya, No quiro, in the time of early civilization people die from falling from "Bhir" in modern civilization probably from motor or from gun, it is defined by civilization. Today every one can get good education and people like you and me can come USA easily but in Panchayat Era very few people get chance see the outer world. Even in developed country people are killed by gun but because of the proper justice, it seems not bad. If there was no Janandolam 2, probably another 15000 people will be killed in the Name of Maoist, King, Army but atleast now there is a small peace. Don't think you haven't done anything within this crisis, within this war, one of your relatives are killed by Maoist or Army or someone here and there, and every one is affacted by the situation of country.

timer · Jul 31, 2009 5:02 PM

timer jaha samma yo USA ra bidesh jane kura cha.  Tyo bahudal aaera bhako hoina . Its because  world have developed into information age. People have access to all the universities, jobs and oppertunities abroad.  Yo kunai  prachande, girije wa gyane le garda bhako hoina.

no_quiero · Jul 31, 2009 5:07 PM

Timer, now  i need to know, How old are you exactly?( there is a small peace) You might have come here after janaaandioan, i came here before janaaandolan. Once again i am from far eastern region of our country. Not from Ktm. Last edited: 31-Jul-09 05:13 PM

raju161 · Jul 31, 2009 5:11 PM

Afule payeko kura sabai samaya diyeko ani naramro kura chhahi Neta le gareka, Ho Neta daka hun chor hun, tara hamrai samaj ka manchhe hun, tesaile hamro culture sudhrinu parchha, sabaiko incuding Neta and every one. That is my point, at least you mentioned Gyane here, because whole conversiation starts from there, mentioning every one is bad except Gyane, regarding Neta.beurocrats, currupted officials, lawyers, doctores, engineer like me, all the educated people, I don't have to say any bad words insulting myself but the fact is they are either my parents, relatives, my neighbours and sometimes my self, my gridiness, my curelilty and my foolishness.

timer · Jul 31, 2009 5:14 PM

Raju I came before Jana-Andolan and I was doing my master's at that time but after that I worked one year and now doing PhD but regarding Jana-andolan, I had all my computers open every second and I was waiting news all day night, I feel I was in Nepal and I am also involving for better Nepal, new good system, new life. Any way, every Nepali is frustrated Now at this point and situation.

timer · Jul 31, 2009 5:16 PM

"Any way, every Nepali is frustrated Now at this point and situation."And this is why i speak against these mountebank phonies instead of supporting them. And this is also the reason for no quieros and rajus to create threads like this . 

raju161 · Jul 31, 2009 5:29 PM

Ya, Raju, anyway you are " Jabbar Child", who think only in his way. Best of luck!!!!!!!!!!!!

timer · Jul 31, 2009 5:40 PM

a tiny peice of history - Nepal opened it door to the outside world during 1950's and we were still living in the Himalayan cradle - content and happy with little to worry about the rest of the world. and frankly, emmigration gathered momentum during 1990's.

snowfed_river · Jul 31, 2009 7:21 PM

Janaandolan I-or II, have not yielded anything but chaos, corruption and lawlessness. Panchayet era despite of limited rights, was far more democratic by any norms. Again, 12 points agreement was the biggest mistake committed by  Nepalese politician, followed by so called janaandholan-II, thereafter, they legitmized the en masse immigrants from south by new Citizenship Bill. Whine NRN will remain deprived from excercising thier birthrights, people from India/Bihar like baban singh making mockery of Nealese Citizenship. Again, education is the key-as always ignoramous so called ill educated people of nepal are responsible for this day. I blame them the first, and perhaps they deserve to live as a second class citizen in their own country. While analyzing the political history, only Monarchy has been the sole patriotic force-and contributed to the development of nepal. those neo-republican-" imported loktantrabadi" will not agree for sake of not agreeing-which I do not care. Evaluate history from objective point of view.

kanchu! · Jul 31, 2009 7:59 PM

20 yrs ago Nepalis used to go bidesh for training or scholorsphips and come back home. now we're forced to immigrte. Most countries don't even want us to be in their airport transits. some of those countries used to give 2 -3 months visas at the airport. People are selling and spending their life saving to send their loved ones out of the country. what good of a democracy it is where people do not have protection of their lives and properties. I see some of you bragging about freedom of speech in here, don't you remember what happened to himalayan times? can you say any bad words against prachanda or girija and not get beaten up in Nepal now a days? can you write against these bastards freely? no.. so there is no freedom of speech.. yes you may surf the internet but thats internet, Nepali politicans didn't build that. if they had it their way they would stop it.  these leaders have done nothing besides robbing the country and sending their kids overseas  so that they can take the corrupted money out of the Nepal and one day flee too. these are criminals and they have so easily brainwashed Nepali public to believe they are the best. It's sad that Nepali kids are burning their own house and stealing from their own savings to help these criminals just cuz they promise job, favoritism in the name of party of some kind of immoral protection for being a party worker. one day they'll realize that they've no way to go and being an immigrant is never the same thing as of being a citizen in our own country, but until then it'll be too late and that is if these stupids will ever realize, chances are they won't.

dyamn · Jul 31, 2009 8:10 PM

Today is loktantra diwas. Black day in nepali history.  A day which has put nepal into  eternal chaos , conflict and lawlessness. Nepal don't celebrate, fagun 7 , chaitra 26 anymore.  There is no holiday in pritivi jayanti.  But we celebrate loktantra diwas.     Lets celebrate our dooms day. 

no_quiero · Apr 24, 2010 3:19 AM

What a blood sucking creep are these leaders! They are protesting in the street and yet taking monthly salaries without mere presence in the cabinet. This gives a clear picture about the horrendous mistake we have created,

raju161 · Apr 24, 2010 11:47 AM

Wanna ask Timer what we got so far?

raju161 · Apr 24, 2010 12:11 PM

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raju161 · Apr 25, 2010 5:13 AM

agree with raju

jneutron · Apr 25, 2010 11:51 AM

Good friends and good discussion, I am here again, specially my friend Raju, If we don't have these emotions in this youth, it is not a youth, keep it up, it will make you successful either here or there but don't forget to work hard ( I am not giving suggestions, you guys are far intelligent than me but I am still youth too, just started early thirties). First of all, I was optimistic before, I am optimistic now and will be in future too (so sal pahele hame tumse pyar tha------). My father was professor and economist; he passed away one year ago. I used to argue with him about Nepal. I used to say, we can be prosperous country, we are Nepali, we are great, we have this and we have that. My father sometimes laughs or sometimes tried to convince me. He used to say, my son, Nepal is country where we don't have resources, very few resources were used by the feudal and King. At the same time our illiteracy and poverty can't help up stand well and fight for all these things. We have India in the side which is always like a wolf, sometimes it attacks directly and sometimes it attack indirectly. We have Karnali as well as Rapti pari, where human civilization is just starting. So there will be vast majority of people living in poverty, illiteracy and there will be a conflict in society for a long time.  I was not convinced with him. I always used to say that, we need revolution, in any type, I am youth, you are old, you can't understand my feeling. At the same time, my father laughed at me and he mentioned that he was more revolutionary when he was youth; the time was more difficult with Panchayati system. Any way, why I am mentioning these entire situations above, now the time come, as he mentioned, the society is at highest level of conflict, we have in the age of another civil conflict but it will be different than before. It will be different than the war done by Maoist because they just lit the fire; the fire is still inside the society. One more thing to add here, just look my previous thoughts in another thread. All Nepali was Pancha at Pachayat, we were UML and congress after democracy, majority of Nepali were Maoist after Maoist Movement and we will be in another party after the raise of the another new group by Raju and no quiro. My point here is our society is at highest level of conflict now, Panchayat has no waves, no development, no literacy, no thoughts, so society was cool but the people like my father had understood that there will more conflict in society after sometime because we are preventing these conflicts now. So, the conflict stopped by Panchayati system and as well as little bit baby King, Koirala Dynasty, the conflict is in road now. Finally, Raju, don't think I am supporter of this and that, I am not supporter of these bastard leaders or criminal king panchayat and another equally important thing is either Raju or No quiro or me, we never supported Maoist or voted them, but it is Nepal, it is Nepali who voted them, they are our friends, relatives. So, Nepal is on the way, either to become Ruwanda or Burundi or in the way to become Norway or Sweden, it will be in the hand of Nepali, leaders, the people like you and me. How we advocate our society, definitely we are already 200 years lacking of these types of conflict in these society. Let them fight each other, kill each other, either they will finished like Hotel Ruwanda or will be some prosperous society. Last edited: 25-Apr-10 12:24 PM

timer · Apr 25, 2010 11:54 AM

Although Nepal's literacy rate is about 40%, only about 10% have had made it through any form of systematic education upto highschool levels. Hence the reality is that almost 90% of the people are not 'educated' in the sense of actually knowing or understanding the overall situation of the country. In this kind of circumstance, democracy becomes a wish fulfilling tree for the corrupt politicians to meet their own or the political groups goals. So they can get elected by public election noone can question the democratic norms. The uneducated population will vote because they are swayed by the deceiving speeches, or they are afraid of them, or they may have false hope.  But the reality is that they are practicing a democratic system and noone should questioning the results of the fair and free elections. As they say lato deshma gado tanneri, the gado leaders are leading the general lato population and anyone who does not fit into the equation will either feel left out or will be made to fit into the equation. That is why most people in that category will leave the country not because they don't love their country because their education does not count for squat. Their education is stifled in the suffocating socio-political numbness. The result is a never ending downward spiral of more gado tanneri's creating more latos to rule over and exploit. The handful of educated or aware citizens who choose to live in Nepal have to abide by the gado tanneris rule not because they enjoy it but because there is no other way. So what is the solution? As long as the country is ruled by gado tanneris, the country will head into a downward spiral. List your solutions here.

grgDai · Apr 25, 2010 12:21 PM

Timer, I see no weight in your agrument. After Janandolan our country has become SADAKCHAP  where every solution is sought in road. No care for the justice.  I am not supporter of any group, but even when there was so called JANANDOLAN , i said it was wrong.  In a long run such thing never helps. It has set wrong precedence.  By force and coercion you can get anything.  Now situation is out of hand.  How would anybody countrol so much voilent group.  Nepalese constituent assemly has 601 members.  Out of 601 , 500 of them are uneducated or i can safely say who has not even completed SLC. Each gets 50,000 Rs per month as income.  So far the total only counting income is ७२ करोड १२ लाख in last 2 years.  

no_quiero · Apr 25, 2010 12:40 PM

 GrgDai is correct in the sense of country being ruled by Gado thandari. In my thinking or atleast to the level i could think, one of the solution would be to get involved slowly and participate in the activities going on in our country. That way we can get familier with the working environment there. After that if things get favourable, we can actively work towards our field of interest. What my experience says is that the educated ones that are in our county right now needs us, so that we can place those Gado Thandaris in their designated space for sure. I am an environmental engineer and i work here, but i go to Nepal once in a year (started doing so) and meet people (my professors, and lecturers) from NGOs related to environment and climate. I have just started working with them in a volunteering basis so as to get familier with working environment. My plan is to get enough knowledge and comfortability so that it would be easier to work there actively in future. If not, i will still work volunteerily during my vacation from work here so that i would be contributing to my country, doing my karma. I would love to hear more solution steps though.

Poon-Hill · Apr 25, 2010 12:44 PM

"Timer, I see no weight in your argument", No quiero, please do not think what I have said should be right. But the way you are saying proves you need more learning about Nepali, Nepali society, aspect of conflict and more knowledge about how to address conflict in society. I am not only student of Engineering but I am also  student of social science too and it is my personal interest but as I mentioned, I might be totally wrong, that is my perception. You have definitely you have right to disagree me, the thing I am seeing and you are seeing is completely different. You can't change the situation and you can't blame other saying, you were right and other are wrong, let history evaluate which was right and wrong. Any way, every one has right to say, Janaandolam II was blunder for you, for me, no thing to say, we will see these types of thing for a long time. Last edited: 25-Apr-10 12:53 PM Last edited: 25-Apr-10 01:36 PM Last edited: 25-Apr-10 01:37 PM

timer · Apr 25, 2010 12:52 PM

Nice discussion. I enjoyed the talks :) I found some good arguments on your side too no_quiero but mostly you are just criticizing for the sake of criticism. Do you have any rational solution ?? If not then nothing we say here matters to people who have to live the life there. It was there choice to put Maoist in the government whether u like it or not. Democracies develop by making mistakes and learning from them. Let us use our knowledge, return back to our motherland and try to lead by example. Let us not just talk the talk but walk the walk. (No offense)

Namaskaar · Apr 25, 2010 4:35 PM

I do not know, but I am just amazed how people can go politically blind and become utter utopian and optimistic beyond rationality. I am amazed people could not find any arguments on no_queiro's posting. I guess you people are in state of denial and nothing else. Some still love to say " democracy" is a learning tools, you make mistake and you learn from that...my my in politics, your small mistake has larger consequences. What happened after 046 is crystal clear and what happened after you have so called " loktantra"??. Those who like to advocate in favor of these political parties please come up with strong argument. Just tell me what good these bunch of 601 contributed to the country? you still need learning period??

kanchu! · Apr 25, 2010 7:10 PM

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timer · Apr 25, 2010 7:23 PM

timer · Apr 25, 2010 7:26 PM

kanchu!, nice to see you after a long time. Regarding this thread now i am simply numb coz i don't think that i can change the view of people like Timer bro who stands on his usual belief that everything is fine or will be fine. Anyways, after a month, i will again ask him about certain things happening in the country.

raju161 · Apr 25, 2010 7:29 PM

khai..hope it was a good move..tara k garne.janta ko lagi bhanera neta haru j paye tei gardaichan..janta bhane chup chap lagchan. agadi prachanda le last year constitution banauna dinna bhandai thiyo..video nai ako thiyo..pheri uh nai aaru party lai dosh lagaudaicha..manche haru katti murkha bhaka..ani pheri janta ko marji anusar thokidiyo sentence ko end ma..kurai sakyo..Hope everything works out good..tehi bhannu cha..janaandolan black spot ho ki haina yo ta samay le bataucha..ahilenai bhanihalna chahi mildaina. kunai pani naya change auda..aja ko bholi nai 100% effect pani audaina, time lagcha..sayad tei bhara ho ki? ki ta kahile nai nahune ho..power ko game, dirty politics le garda nepal jhan khattam hundai jane ho ki? ki pheri jana andolan 3 aunu parne ho? neta haru saab lai dhapayera?

dharane_kancha · Apr 25, 2010 10:38 PM

What happen to this thread?

timer · May 1, 2010 12:24 PM

I&nbsp;just came across the thread I wrote long time ago. What do you think of it in today's context?&nbsp; Why are we still glorifying janandolan 2. Here is what i wrote that time. Now it is time to seriously think whether J2 was a success or an utter failure. For me if you ask I would say it was a momentary Success but it has lead Nepal to ultimate and long term doom. Last edited: 24-May-12 05:20 AM

no_quiero · May 24, 2012 5:17 AM