Basically Hindu from Nepal, and have been visited Lumbini, and witnessed the birth place and the palace of Lord Buddha, I take him as a great spiritual leader and most successful person. I have great respect for him, and all the followers who believe in him to make
their own life spiritual.

However every now and then, I come across one single question, why does Dalai Lama write and walks around saying, Buddha was born in India??? I have no answer.

To my understanding, Buddha was born out of a hindu king in Nepal in Lumbini, which was never in India even 2600 Years ago. But He got his enlightment in Bodh Gaya in India. If I am from Nepal and study in USA to get my degree, I shouldnt be considered an American, similiarly, Dalai Lama himself shouldnt be considered Indian.(I know he hasn't).

leader at that supremacy, doesnt suit to talk double faced talks which could hurt emotion and feelings of the people, and mislead those who prefer to live by
fact. Moreover, a monk, pereived as honest and of integrity here shouldn't forget the real mission of Buddhism, Tibet's autonomy has to be returned ultimately to Tibetans. But Is Dalai Lama a devoted Buddhist first or free tibet- Leader first?
Talking about Humanity, and voice to International community on the humanitarian ground, Why isn't Dalai Lama then interested to voice even for the Bhutanese refuge living for over 10 years, in 100 thousands of numbers, kicked-out by the Bhutan's cruelty?

Or the fact could be there is much for me yet to know. In either case may be your answer shall help me to enlight on this topic, Please answer me.

Thanks, Pritaz

I have been practising Buddhism and reading book of Dalai lama alot. I have never come across him saying Buddha was born in India. India always claim that Buddha was born in India which is not true. I have attended many teachings of Rimpoches and even in Tibetan scripts, it is never mentioned. I hope Pritaz is not mistaken or hope he did not get it from the wrong source.

Now Dalai Lama wont say anything about Bhutanese refugee. Because there are lots of Tibetans in Bhutan. He is smart enough to look at bigger picture before he makes any comments. In any case, Bhutan is focking mess created by no one other than our own leader Girja. So what the hell are you expecting? Just because we got the democracy does not mean we should incite those poor bhutanese of nepali origin to follow us. Look at what we got. So before we blame others, we have to learn to dig our egos and mistakes.

It irks me when people talk of Nepal as a Hindu Kingdom rather than trying to include everyone, but uses Buddhism and Lumbini as a begging bowl. I wonder who is heading Lumbini Development Fund? Has gov't done anything other than declare Lumbini as a Developemtn Zone? No. they have not done anything. Deep down they know they have to stop Buddhism at any cost. That's why nothing has happened there other than private investments to develop Lumbini.

THAT IS EXACTLY WHY INDIA PROMOTES AND TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THAT and all we can do is biatch about it. If you want the world to believe Buddha was born in Nepal, then promote it. Fact is there. But deep down they are afraid to do it.

Dalai Lama is a World Stateman. We cannot even began to think of his devotion for the world. We can't since all we got No. 2 leaders like Girja, Makune, Bam Dev, etc. So before we talk about others, lets talk about ouwn own. Lets not act like "Afno Ghati ma Vaisi dekhdeine, arko ko ghati me kamila dekhcha."

This is not worth discussing. lets jsut end this topic here.

Seusi Dai
Ur name says it all. U think with your dick. What has my house got to do with this? Don't use irrational logic and Uukhaan.

Manab
I'm not talking about everyday chanting monks, they're everywhere. U need to know a little bit of history before u say something. I'm talking about famous Buddhist monks who've changed the history of Tibetan Buddhims like Melarepa, Karmapa.

To all others
I'm not here to piss u off or anything. It's all beacuse of the image of our country in terms of global power. If Nepal was open to DL during those period when we were dependent on India, we could have changed our history althoough it would piss off the Chinese. We could have overturned the statement "Buddha was born in India" with the help of DL and his people. Remember he's like the POPE of Christains. But no...we were too scary ass and our government never cared. We were never dependent on Chinese at the time. But now even if you want, it's too late cause Nepal is flooded with Chinese goods. And we can never allow DL to step into our land now. What do say about that? So I think it's perfectly fine for DL to say that, even if ever said that. We missed our chance. I was taught in the college here in the US that Buddha was infact born in India. Beleive it or not the scholar, Robert Thurman who's regarded very well in the Tibetan community, says the same thing.
I want to believe that Buddha was born in Nepal like you, but again ....Watch Out...History IS BEING written by the powerful...tell me what can U do?

Vhotee,

Do u think Nepal got other choice. Ya Dalai Lama is a spiritual leader. But can Nepal take on China for Dalai Lama. As China swept out Tibet, they would have swept out Nepal. No body would have given a damn. It just would have been a good looking slogans on the Tshirsts of white boys saying Free Nepal as free Tibet.

High
Exactly, then what right do we as Nepali have to say that "DL is double faced"? He can say what he wants, side the nation that help him and his people. If DL's saying that Buddha was born in India is treated as the basis for Westerns to believe that, then I think there's nothing wrong. I'm waiting for that brave Nepali to go against it and prove the world that in fact it's not true. R U ready to do that? And esp that our country never gave him any support and is still not allowed to step in Nepal, what about trying to bring peace now and allow him to step inside Nepal.
And this chap who started this thread is either stupid, racist or have some real issues with life.That's the typical Nepali attitude,,,, Baadar ley na aafnu ghar banaucha, na arulai ghar banaua dincha.
On that note,,,let's close this for good.

Vhoote,
Had enough of your retarted thoughts.
I was being nice to you, but u seem worst than a badar, with your utmost stupidy of insanity. Learn decency to post your thread first.
Its not enough reason for person looked as a supreme Buddhish leader to retaliate against Nepal just becoz Nepal wasn't in position to support them at then, Mind it, Nepal has in all ways supported their asylum and to let them live in Nepal, Just open up yopur mind before you open your eyes. And yeah, if somebody at that position talks that, theres no harm calling Double faced. Which, I have - if you read carefully and again- you will find, I have put that as a question mark.
How dare you call another nepalese to prove to the world, something thats already proved by UNESCO, and other International Organizations, and accepted by Buddhist organization itself.
Once again I repeat, do not politicize the issue by naming it racism, in seeking safe heaven for your non-sense opinions. I love Tibetans, Bahuns, Chettri as equal as much as i Love all other race and religion. I can smell those dirty minded opinions of YOURSELF, instead of having smooth conversation. You dont seem to be a Nepali at first, so dont you be calling any "typical Nepali attitude". Listen to other people too, dont u be agressive sticking to your own- Understand !!!. We are not claiming, or writing history, we are discussing issues of facts. It can be done in nice fashion, or if it itches, can shut up. Option is yours, choose one.

Lastly a word of advice, dont you be smaheless enough to be rude, posting threads, and calling to close the thread by concluding with your opinions.

P
Decency?
Who said U had one in the first place? Why did U even start dogging DL, don't u have enough politicians in Nepal to worry about. Why not them? Look at yourself in the mirror and be honest before criticizing someone else. Aren't the people, the King and each and every politicians in Nepal a D faced?
If U had some deceny to realize that DL is a spiritual and religious leader for people like us, then you would not have posted this thread on the first place. But then you have the right to voice your opinion, so do I. Let's continue...

Retaliate against Nepal?
How do you know that? U seem to assume before knowing the facts.

Stupid?
I'm not the one who started out such stupid thread.

UNESCO?
Just because they said it or U posted some links doesn't change the fact bro. Academic in West teach the same thing. Buddha was born in India. Does it matter, yes. It matters whole lot. This is also a fact that you that seem to be content with readings from the Internet by some yahoo like everybody else. This is the only point was deabting with you. Your so called facts collide with mine. And if DL says it too, then he's not the one to be blamed.

Racist?
Who knows? U can claim not to be one or think you're not. It's all in the heart.

And as you said before, give me a proof that DL really said that. I'm not talking about a link on the internet. I want to hear DL himself say that.

As your wish, we'll keep this discussion open.

Vhootee looks more like a Tibetan than a Nepali. Anyway, no comment on Dalai Lama?s remark (I don't know for sure if he recognizes India as a birth place of G. Buddha, and i think he might not have an authority or may not have enough scientific understanding to claim about Buddha birth place). Archeologists are working on it and most of them has consensus that Buddha was born in Lumbini and the capital of then Lumbini/Kapilvestu is now happened to be in Nepal. I think it may not be much worthy to debate/claim about if G. Buddha was born in Nepal or in India. In fact he was not born in both of these countries! (they were inexistent by then). He was born in Lumbuni and was enlightened in Gaya. His birth place (Lumbuni) now happens to be in Nepal and the Gaya in India. That's it!

Nut

Please leave the Budhha alone. Yo all got to know that yo all are doing the right opposite of the Buddhas teachings.

Om mane peme

Whoever brought up this site must be stupid unless he or she has hidden agenda. What bothers me more is we are so ready to defend Buddha was born in Nepal which is great. But what the fock have we done so far to Lumbini.

We are as-shole more or less. Deep down people (those in power) dont want to promote Buddha and Lumbini. And folks in general dont want to talk about Buddhism. They know it only promotes Buddhism and puts slap to the so called "Hindu Rastra Nepal." India knows that very well and they take full advantage of that. So what can we do. Just keep quiet like we have been for the rest of our life.

I was on Thai Airline recently from KTM-Bangkok and saw a full page ad from India Tourism Board to promote India as a land of Buddha. We dont have to do that either. All we got to do is utilize hundreds of millions of dollar Lumbini has received as an aid. But guess what not as a surprise to anyone, there is no money. If they cannot handle Pasupatinath fund, how can they handle Lumbini. Shame on those showing only Rs.2 lakh as a profit from Pasupatinath when actual figure could be more than 10 croce.

So fock to those who are ego maniac and those at the helm of these 2 fund. Exactly because of ass-hole like them, India takes big advantage of that.

If we are so worried about it, then protest in front of Indian Embassy in kathmandu. But that will not happen. Because that is not the primary interest of general people at the top. Their goal is to rule and one way to do that is by suppressing Buddhist and giving them less chance of advancement.

Corrections> most of them have

Vhote wrote : I'm waiting for that brave Nepali to go against it and prove the world that in fact it's not true. R U ready to do that? And esp that our country never gave him any support and is still not allowed to step in Nepal, what about trying to bring peace now and allow him to step inside Nepal.

You are right ! Pritaz just tried to bring up the issues which is not acceptable to any Nepali, drives you nuts. Imagine now, if he dares to go and speak up against your spiritual leader, do u think he will be spared. Common be wise.

Ktmandu-- "Whoever brought up this site must be stupid unless he or she has hidden agenda. What bothers me more is we are so ready to defend Buddha was born in Nepal which is great. But what the fock have we done so far to Lumbini."

SO.. whats your point here. Do you want me to believe that Buddha was born in India, since I havent done anything so far, around Lumbini ? Well, Mt. Everest was just recently measured by chinese, that doesn't imply that Chinese have to claim over Mt. Everest? Common dont be so hostile against your own country.

Nut -- "I think it may not be much worthy to debate/claim about if G. Buddha was born in Nepal or in India. In fact he was not born in both of these countries! (they were inexistent by then). He was born in Lumbuni and was enlightened in Gaya. His birth place (Lumbuni) now happens to be in Nepal and the Gaya in India. That's it! ".

Are you trying to be unbaised or trying to be different then others. Give me break. If lumbini falls within the map of Nepal, why it so hard for you to claim G. Buddha was born in Nepal.

I don't think that its our fault just becuase neighbor next door is trying to mislead the fact.
It is really amzing when someone says that Nepal is trying to put a slap on buddhism just to save the Hindu identity. Come on, thats just a wrong statement. Nepal belongs to all Nepalese, whether he is hindu, buddhist, christian or muslim. Buddha was born in Nepal and we are proud of this and also revere him no matter whether you are Hindu or Buddhist.
Regarding the indifference by Nepal towards Tibetan liberation, its all about politics, not religion. Otherwise why would we cordially accept asylum of people from Tibet let them live in Nepal, whereas Bhutanese-Nepalese kicked out from Nepal are living the life of "sukumbasi" inside the same land in between identity.
The bottomline is Lord Buddha was born in Nepal and he got enlightment, Nirvana in India.

so are u ready to accept the fact if some one say and write that nepal is china????
fact is fact and that never changes even if it is written in books or said by great scholar for the shake of benefiting themselves.

Hello All,

The begining of this thread was just with pure intention of exchanging views on what people thought about this. While Race and Religion issue is bought every now and then, bottom line, it just divides people, while spirituality unites. No matter of what religion or philospphy.
Pisces bro,
What issues exactly you meant isnt acceptable to any Nepali. Its quite confusing, at a time when you seem to have replied to coments of many. So whats your opinion on the issue, I really wish to know from you.

Fact was challenged by few to prove where exactly DL has mentioned that Buddha was born in India, heres bit of information for them,

Book Name: The Spirit of Peace, teaching on love compassion and everyday life,
Author: His Holiness Dalai Lama
ISBN: 0-0-0713151-8
Cpyright HarperCollins publishers 2002
Page no: 15,

FYI, Quote
"ourney to INDIA
for every reason , political and relegious, i very much wanted to go to india. after all, it is the birthplace of the founder of buddhism, the very source of the wisdom brought to our mountains hundereds of years ago by indian saints and seers."
Unquote.

Pisces:

My point is very clear. I am sure we will wake up from this before India takes another advantage again.

Buddha was born in Lumbini, Nepal and the fact is there. So lets go and tell the world that Nepal is the destination for Land of Buddha. Lets make this official and spread the campaign just like India does. Will govt or any official do that? Now they wont. 'Cause those at the top are not Buddhist and it is not in their interest to promote it which harms their ego.

If we are so proud of Lumbini then lets maximize the value of Lumbini. But nobody will since official only promote so called Hindu Rastra Nepal. There is so much ego.

I dont feel like discussing this, but it is the fact. Buddhist all over Nepal has to face bureaucratic hassel.

BECAUSE INDIA KNOWS THIS WEAKNESS IN GOV'T, THEY TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THIS ALL THE TIME. All we do is just show our ego. Has gov't said anything to India.

The only way to tell India to back off from statement like this is to promote Lumbini. Unfortunately, that is just a dream. But Lumbini is great since this is a begging bowl for govt. Guess who is running Lumbini Development Fund and what have they done there. Nothing..Isn't that a shame???

Pritaz0 , Sorry for my vague comments. I mean to say an issue that is not acceptable to many Nepali is "Lord Buddha was born in India".

Ktmdude, You have a reason to be frustrated since our lobbyist who has so far given damn about lumbini. I am to frustrated and concern about that.But still if India and some of its allies claim everything that belongs to Nepal and Nepali to be their, that is simply unacceptable. I am surprise read from Nepali like you, who rule out the issues just becoz lobbyist who was/is ruling Nepal fails to protect our sovereneity. It is not just about losing our most important heritage, its about losing our sovereneity.

Here are two different version that Indian Scholars claim that Buddha was from India.

1. Some writes, Buddha was born in northern part of India, in Lumbini. Now this group of people have not just claim over Buddha, but over Nepal too.

2. Some writes, Buddha was born in Orissa state, in small village called Lembei (check the spelling)- this is totally new version.

Thanx Ktmdude, making me realzed my responsibilty. I am going to write following email to every website wherever I will find such misleading information.


To: feedback@buddhistdoor.com



The reason I am writing my email is to make you accept the fact Siddhartha Gautam was indeed born in Tilaurakot Village, Kaplivastu District in Lumbini which is Nepal. The research and findings have already proved the fact that Buddha was born in Nepal. Even UNESCO stated that Gautama was born in Nepal. This the link of your website I just came through and surprised to read your claim.

http://www.buddhistdoor.com/passissue/9704/sources/teach29.htm

Please make the change in your website which has infact totally misleading information. I belong to the activist group who is currently working on genuine issues as such, to protect sovereinty of Nepal. Your failure to take correct action may lead your website to be blocked for public access.

Regards

good man pisces
thank god you are taking a rational step instead of just lambasting all and sundry
kudos bro

''Siddhartha Gautam was indeed born in Tilaurakot Village, Kaplivastu District in Lumbini which is Nepal.''

He was born in Lumbini, not in Tilaurakot dude.
Tilaurakot, Kapilbastu was the palace of Suddhodhan, Buddha's father.
Budhha's mum gave birth to Siddartha Gautam in Lumbini, Rupandehi district, while she was on her way to her Maita, further east. Sorry I forgot the name of Budhhas mamali, I will write when I remember it.

Thanx Newuser ji, reminding me the eassy from Standard 4 Mahendra Mala Grade 3 or 4 , I forgot. Yes Buddha was born in Lumbini east of Maya Devi Temple. How could I be mistaken when I had been there twice. Thanx a lot Newuser.

Piscesji wrote,
Are you trying to be unbaised or trying to be different then others. Give me break. If lumbini falls within the map of Nepal, why it so hard for you to claim G. Buddha was born in Nepal.

yea, I was trying to be unbiased and I think it would be more wiser to make comments based upon archeologists scientific findings that would relatively be a more accurate tool to claim about G. Buddha birth place. I do believe that not all archeologists would agree on a single place (I meant there may not be 100% consensus among them) but as I said at this time with all available evidences suggests that G. Buddha was born in Lumbini and that place comes under the map of Nepal and UNESCO has accepted this fact. With all these, I absolutely don?t have any hard time (in fact, I am as much happier as u are) to claim Buddha was born in Lumbini and the lumbini is in Nepal.

Nut