guys ,
do you agree what "mysansar" team wrote about prime minister of nepal?
they are just praising PM Dahal. i think they are doing too much.

Is it ---> "Had the economic progress made during those periods been due to specific policies and programs of then governments, yes, we must be giving them credit and acknowledgement."

 

Or is it------> "But I believe that was not the case."

 

Make up your mind dude. Don't be confusing people with afai bokshi afai jhankri. The stat that YOU provided earlier tend to disagree you O learned one.

 

"पञ्चायतकालमा हाम्रो गाउँका लोग्नेमान्छेहरु रातोदिन गाउँको चियापसलमा तास खेलेर बस्थे, अक्सर श्रीमति, दिदीबहिनीको गहना सहना बेचेर, अन्नपात चोरेर । प्रजातन्त्र आएपछि अचम्मै भयो । कोही काम खोज्न हिडे भने कोही सानोतिनो व्यवसाय गर्न थाले । यो रहस्यमय परिवर्तनको बारेमा म निकै घोत्लेको छु । र मेरो निर्क्योल उही मैले माथी भनेजस्तै आम मानिसमा ‘अब पहिलेको भन्दा राम्रो युग आयो’ भन्ने व्यक्त अव्यक्त बोध नै मानिसहरुमा देखा परेको उक्त नविन उद्यमशिलताको रहस्य हो भन्ने लाग्छ ।"

ha ha ha pretty naive to compare the entire nation's economic and social welfare based upon your gaun ? ha ha ha Ph. D. rey ha ha ha Hamilai yesley key thanya holaa kuniii ?

 

"The progress made during post 1990 era was mainly due to the self-motivated entrepreneurship of ordinary citizens inspired by general notion that democracy means more freedom, rule of law and nobody can steal your money (unlike in Panchayat when the notion was that anybody close to the palace can do anything to you and you can do nothing)."

 

So according to your theory they should be flourshing right now right ? Go ask those same self-motivated entrepreneurs of ordinary citizens what the current democracy(your so called pathetic republic movement whom you and your clown frens claim as a catlyst for bring upon this change with a wrath of lawlessness, extortion, raping, looting etc etc) has done for them. Then again you are probably going to dance around the issue and come up with lame logic likeyour gaun or MAYBE GOOGLE ANOTHER STAT TO SUPPORT YOUR LAME ASS THEORIES. HA...............HA.....................HA

Shiva,

 

Here is my understanding of Maoist “People’s republic”. I am copying this message from Nepal Democracy googlegroup.

 

 

> From: Deepak

> Date: Oct 7, 12:59 pm

> Subject: Re:What is at stake for future of Nepal and Nepali

> To: nepal democracy

>

> X-jee,

>

> Based on my observation and deduction, Maoist’s “People’s republic” is

> not “a totalitarian , one party system of governance at the cost of

> other Parties” as you are suspecting. It is a jargon meant to fool

> their otherwise indoctrinated cadres to make them accept the

> “multiparty democracy” (not necessarily “Westminster” type) with a

> label palatable to them on it.

>

> Nowhere and never have Maoist said that “People’s republic” is “one

> party totalitarian regime”. Then they have embraced “multiparty

> system” in their doctrine called “democracy for 21st century” adopted

> in 2003. They even do not imagine “socialism” without “multiparty”

> democracy.

>

> Putting together, as I said, “People’s democracy” is a jargon meant

> for their own cadres to smoothly transit to bourgeois democracy,

> pretty much similar to Madan Bhandari’s jargon of “People’s Multiparty

> Democracy” which was meant to fool UML cadres to transit smoothly to

> bourgeois multiparty democracy. The only difference is that while

> Madan Bhandari invented a new jargon, Maoists are recycling the old

> jargon.

>

> So until the day Maoists tell us that they meant one party

> totalitarian regime, we don’t need to worry.

>

> Happy Bada Dashain to you and all other friends,

>

> Deepak

>

 

> >From: X

 > >Date: Oct 7, 9:53 am

> >Subject: What is at stake for future of Nepal and Nepali

> >To: nepal democracy

> >

> > Dear all

[skipped]

> >

> > This brings us back to current Nepali situation.

> >  CPN ( Maoists) are leading the government of Nepal.

> > Prime minister in New York declared Nepal will follow full democratic system

> > of government with respect to rule of Law, human rights and individual

> > freedom for expression.

> > Upon return to Nepal, CPN ( M) central committee meeting insisted on

> > establishing a " people's Republic" i.e a totalitarian , one party system of

> > governance at the cost of other Parties.

> > It is not my inference; it has been reported by various news outlet of

> > Nepal.

>

> > After almost a 60 years struggle , King of Nepal has been ousted and Nepal

> > is declared Republic.

> > Question now is , does Nepal have to go through another dictatorship before

> > it follows full democratic system? If that is the route it has to traverse,

> > what is the human cost and cost to the society?

> > Has CPN ( M) really evaluated this course of action? After all, who are they

> > trying to " liberate" in Nepal? Or is it their political ambi tion to rule

> > the country at any cost?

> > What is driving CPN ( M) to this disastrous route to power .

>

> > And at the end of the day, does a common Nepali deserve another round of "

> > dark regime" once again?

>

> > I think Nepali should ask this question to themselves and conclude that they

> > no longer wish to remain within any form of " totalitarian " system anymore.

> > An emphatic  message of " No " must be sent out to CPN   ( M) collectively.

 

[skipped]

> > X

 ____________________________________

Bathroom wrote:

>So according to your theory they should be flourshing right now right ?

 

It will. In a year or two you will see it.

 

Nepe

I had a chance to chat with one of top businessmen of Nepal who is also member of the present FNCCI, Nepal executives committee. He was also in New York when Prachanda was in New York. I asked with this gentleman,

Dai, are these Maoist really honest and not corrupt? He replied, I can at least tell you top Maoist Leader are not corrupt. For example I try to bribe Prachanda he will (literally) kill me, which was not the case with Nepali Congress, if somebody offer them only anybody including Girija will take the money. And he said, UML are also not that bad but Nepali Congress are terrible. I can promise you these were his exact words and he is a pure business and he is not affiliated with any political parties as far as I know. He runs multi millions industries in Nepal. Funny thing is Maoist has bombed one of his industry few years ago.

I was so pleased to hear that at least for the moment we have a few honest top leaders in Nepal, which is a big deal for a country like Nepal.

The, I asked to him, what is the big obstacle for the development of Nepal now? He said our bureaucracy is horrible, they do not work or forward files to bargain more bribes. This is the biggest challenge of Maoist lead government for the development at the moment.

I am also very optimistic as Nepe jau about the future of Nepal. Let's be honest and criticize wrongdoings from any side. But lets' stop...Birod ko lagi Birod!

Nepe,

In life, you find something terribly bad, you won't keep looking for small goods in it. Either you don't have guts to label yourself as Maoist here in Sajha because people will never like a attitude of "living in worlds greatest capitalist and asking fellow citizen to follow then faded 19th century dictatorship" OR you are confused.

Stop fooling and confusing people. Enough is Enough. Your version exactly resembles the conversation you pasted. I read every post of yours. I used too. But now, what I feel is you are an arrogant. You think that whatever you feel is good. I have never seen you completely agreeing with "version of any others" See even in this post, you thanked Deep but still has something more from your side.
I don't see any signs of progress in the country. If you see its upto. Don't try to convince. You see, because the present government is led by Maoist and you hope that one day they will get the full dictatorship. I don't see cause maoist is equally corrupt even more (remember they gave full freedom to each and every cadres of their party: there was no any accountability of good or bad works). A good party should have a good impression since foundation . Its been almost 3 years since moist came out, has they given any information how much money was looted and how much and where was it spent? If they were not supported by India or then Royals and if they thing they will not start it again, don't they have to tell people the story of their war? Transparency, I am asking for the transparency professor.

About Economic development report (03/04)

Yes. Country made progress in few sectors post 1991. Especially in education, health and Information technology. In 10 years, almost every village were able to provide education level of 12th grade. Don't show me rukum and rolpa, I am not blinded. It would have had there not been bloodbath so called people's war in your language. You might ask then what stoped? Yeah. the political game gave country a huge turmoil. You never know. Maoist and then royals killed Madan bhandhari. Many of you may disagree. I have a reason. UML got sometime leadership he was happy. UML even couldn't set up a testifying committee. Congress gave damn because wasn't from his party. Then royal got opportunity to weaken multiparty system and Maoist got anchorage for Royals. Who do you think benefited most? and moreover why would Maoist kill "Amar lama" and "krishna Mohan"? If congress or UML were responsible they wouldn't have freed him.
Yes. I am coming back to my point. Hasn't been country gone through this turmoil, Maoist war was impossible. Congress's goverment was taking slow pace but good one. In those years also, country was facing similar kind of natural calamities. Post "mid-term" election everything deteriorated. The three focused sectors couldn't go that far. But they still moving. Maoist started attacking them. Directly on education and information (Do you remember they blasted telephone towers and burnt cables in majority of the villages because it would have weaken their networking). Education its clear and health because health worker feared going to villages and their was not much developement (technology) in the profession. 50 of my batch mates who got into MBBS program are now in US doing USMLE.

If you are saying country developed then, it was not due to good governance. Its was in most part due to transfer of information and technology. There are cables in almost every villages in chitwan. People are seeing things in and around the world.
The list goes long. I have many things that goes against your belief and understanding.

For now,
If you are just saying economic development, then you should consider few things first, doc. they are
: then and now exchange rates
:foreign aid to country, salary increase in the country. If government distributes foreign aid in the form of salary by hiking it like this one is doing, that is not economic development you achieve.
: if your are saying that by looking at the improvement of lifestyle or way of living, then let me tell you I know many people who sold land for motorbike, financed car using home.

I don't believe and expect anything from murderers. If you do or want to do. Come up with critical analysis of what they did, why they did, how they did, who were benefited now and who will be benefited later and when? Here too, list goes on. Then only try to convince people to see world from your vision.

I know " Sansar jitneharuko ghoda ho" but you won't feel good on being winner at the cost of innocent peoples' life. Do you, Prof?

I know my writing could have been mess.I just get distress if anybody comes to teach me to learn Maoism.

Jwala,

I have two simple things:

I don't believe he doesn't have "would be imbribed attitude". I guess, you wouldn't have forget about almost a 15k$ dollar watch gifted by a 'businessman'

He told girija and other are but top maoist leader are not:
I won't say girija and others are not. Noone can hide it. but he came there with or see Prachanda then why would he go against him. Afterall he has to survive along with his business.

If he thinks maoist cadres are as you said, corrupt then how are they gonna improve bureaucracy. Just buy displacing old and putting their cadres in place. See what country is getting at the cost of 13k lives.

God help us out!

या त यो ज्वाला भन्ने र नेपे भन्ने एउटै मान्छे हो वा यि दुबइ जना माओवादी का नाजयज बच्चा हरु हुन। माओवादी लाई ठुलो र राम्रो बनाउन हेर त के के छल चली राखेका छन यिनिहरु। माओवादी ले घुस लिन्न रे कस्तो हासो उथ्ने कुरा गरेको हेर न। हुन त दुनियाँ लाई थगेर अनी लुटेर खान पल्केका हरु लाई किन घुस खानु पर्‍यो र? दुनियाँ बैंक लुटेकै छन, अरु हरु को घर कब्जा गरेकै छन, किन चाहियो यिनी हरु लाई घुस? सन्सद भित्रै बन्दुक लिएर जान सक्ने ले बाहिर सोझा साझा जनता लाई कसरी लुत्छन होल भनेर त भनी राख्नइ पर्दैन। चोर् डाँका हरु लाई घुस किन लिनु पर्‍यो र ? देश को सम्पत्ती जती सबै लुटेर देश नै खोक्रो बनाइसके पछी अब घुस किन खानु पर्‍यो नि ? अझै यिनिहरु को तारिफ गर्दै नेपाली जनता लाई उल्लु बनाउन खोज्ने यि साझा का भातुवा हरु देखेर पो हासो लाग्छ के ..

I salute you Pyari

Hats off to you Naraynagarh suburb..good answer to both of these Maoists..good job.

Nepe,"It will. In a year or two you will see it."

Yeah After Nepal Becomes a Communist Dicktatorship ? Because of self proclaimed experts on Nepal like yourself. Where is your GHATAAATANTRA COMRADE ?

You are counting your chickens well befor they ae hatched !!!

 

Jawala,

Prachandey not taking bribes ? Are you kidding me ? What about that brand New Car he got as a gift from a businessman ? There was a thread here a while ago regarding that too. WE ARE NOT STOOOPID !! DO NOT TRY TO UNDERESTIMATE OUR INTELLIGENCE.

NS: "Maoist and then royals killed Madan bhandhari. Many of you may disagree. I have a reason. UML got sometime leadership he was happy. UML even couldn't set up a testifying committee. Congress gave damn because wasn't from his party. Then royal got opportunity to weaken multiparty system and Maoist got anchorage for Royals. Who do you think benefited most? and moreover why would Maoist kill "Amar lama" and "krishna Mohan"? If congress or UML were responsible they wouldn't have freed him."

 

I used to believe that the massacre of Madan Bhandari and the other (sorry forgot name) is plotted by Indian Intelligence (RAW), Congress and Royalist. But I can not argue in detail. I just remember that Girija, the PM of that time, was not interested to co-operate the investigation. He wanted to diffuse the case as fast as he could. But your theory is something new one. Could you elaborate on this ?

 

Jwala, you sound like khattam babu of mysansar. I don't buy any of your logic and proof that you presented in favor of maoist leaders. You don't know how much Mahara has collected bribe. NS mentioned the story of the gold-plated wrist watch Prachanda puts on. Prachanda's wife recently received a 4WD SUV. Mr. Lekhnath Bhatta and Mr. Jamarkattel have purchased lands of multi-million rupees in KTM. Many of these bribe-stories are about to unfold and some have started to suface out.

 

Nepe, the views you communicate with your closemates in the google groups are interesting to read, but it would be better to re-arrange the lines instead of copying directly, because, that just sounds like you are advertizing your private googlegroup here.

I donot think the "People's republic" is only a jargon to fool their indoctrinated cadres. Even if it is, they don't have any right to fool their own cadres. It sounds exactly similar to Prachanda's Kalo Topi policy. When he lands on foreign soil, he takes off, and when he lands on Nepalese soil, he puts on.

 

 

I was just giving an example or a reference. I will put  my won opinion about Maoist or Maoist lead government some other time.

I can at least tell you...it is too early to critise Moaist Lead Government  and to say they will not do anything or they have not done anything.

Jwala,

First now you need to define "bribe" in current politcal situation. Maoist leaders taking money in the name of "donation" by is also no less than curruption.

Secondly, I do not know which industrialist you have asked about Prachande/Maoists. Had you asked Binod Chaudhary, anyone from Jyoti Group-you would have had different answer. If you are naively trying to defend Maoists here then like BC said do not think we are that stupid.

Just for example of recent happenings-

 

1. PM bringing his authachap son as a computer operator for US trip. I do not have any problem if he brings his wife but again ideally he should not have brought his wife too if his words were honest.

 

2. Baburam Bhattarai going on Mountain Flight with his Maoists crew just to chill out?? At a time when east and west Nepal are flooded…

 

3. Like wise hishila was in London for what?

 

4. Badal need to go china for what?

 

All waste of tax-payers money? You see the corruption here?

 

Now please do not say that “these sort of things are normal and used to happen back then as well” if so what is the difference, I think they are even worst.

 

Again just one more thing, I heard from one of the sources that Prachanda was so desperate to see empire state, liberty statue and see the subway, which he did at the end.  â€¦well, he must have felt for him this could well be  a last chance to visit US.And this shows how confident he is about his political career too??? True??

 

 Professionally, he should have used his time to meet the foreign nationals, delegates and so on if not he should have visited one gas station where a poor nepali is working his ass off to pay tuition..would have  had chance to learn at least a lesson?? Did he no?? therefore,  this is another form of corruption waste of tax payers money-every single penny counts-called it political corruption..

 

So nepe and company, no more buullllshiiitttt !

Jawala,

You were giving an example or a reference ? Dude!! GIT YER FACTS STRAIGHT BEFORE YOU COME HERE AND RUN YOUR BLABBER.

Its too early to criticize the Maoist GOVT ? Are you kidding me ? I was saying the exact same thing when Gyaney took power away from Giriza(CHOR) and his cronies to solve the maoist problem. But NEPE AND HIS CLOWNS were out in front of UN screaming Gyaney Chor Desh Chod. WHAT IS FAIR IS FAIR... TYO GYANEY(NOT HIS FAN) LAI CHAHII TIME NADINEY REY tara MAOIST LAI CHAHII TIME DINU PARNEY ?

 

 If  you are biased about something your judgement does not work properly.

This reminds me one old Nepali Story.

One man in a village had two wives. He was very critical of his first (jethi) wife but he used always praise his second (Kanchhi) wife. One day when he was having his dinner he shouted his first (jethi) wife "why to  do always make rice so "Gilo"?  Then his  second (Kanchhi) wife replied from the other corner of the kitchen, it was me who cooked the rice today. The man then said...that's why it is delicious even  it is "Gilo".

 

 

I give credits to maoists for only one thing, for removing the monarchy. I am always against the monarchy. But we paid the huge price for that.

Maoists are already showing their true colors by talking about Jana-ganatantra (for me, it is just the communist republic) - Listen to Mahara's interview in BBC today. They want to establish communism in Nepal; what a joke!

If maoists had not started their war, we would already climbing uphill instead of downhills despite corruption and other problems. Because of Maoists, all our infrastructures were destroyed; systems were dismantled; our productivity went down; there were many casualities (human losses, injuries); people became less sensitive; racial and ethnic problems are started; no. of tourists went down; many businesses were closed; people started to migrate more. Thousands of problems started because of maoists.

 

Nepe,
The maobadis "make belief" agenda is different than what is going on in their party. When their executive member declares that they want to make Nepal a "communist nation" and want to spread communism all over the world through Nepal, what do you make of it? I dont know if communism is not "totalitarian" than what is?? You are ignoring their press conference but want to accept the "academic" viewpoint of someone else outside their party? I am not sure how smart is that??

How can you claim that the press conference is meant for their cadres when it was announced in a news conference, as you have quoted someone else?

I don't think that anyone needs a reminder that they rule Nepal now, were elected and have declared that they will follow multi-party democracy. That is not the point, the point is what they are saying now!!

Prachanda accpeted a brand new Land Cruiser from Ajaya Sumargi. This luxury SUV was delivered in his house and the keys handed over to his wife. I am sure everyone knows who Sumargi is. Corruption is corruption (ghus is ghus) it does not matter how it is done.