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Posted on 05-15-09 2:49 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Why we hate india and indians?

India is gwoing as a super power and Nepal is going to hell due to Maoist. We neplese

here in US after graduation, if could not find a job in a reputed company then

we have to go to Indian consultancies. Why we call them Dhoti Company? Since they are helping us.

Hami jo F1 Visa status ma chhau, working in gas stations or resturents, run by indians.

Without that almost 90 percent nepali students would not be

able to complete their studies. Still we hate indians. Since we are in week position

they will try to take some advantages. That is natural. We would do the same thing

if we were in their position.

 
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Because we are AH who thinks calling names to other make us cool.
 
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why we hate indians because they are retard, even if they work odd jobs they pretend that they have their own consultansies and talk big. Trying to impress on the first talk with dhoti style english. No manner, But respect they have unity unlike we nepali (aarkako khutta tanne bhyabahar) Nepal going to hell that's not our fault we have retarded nepali politicians and those indian leader are taking advantage of our politicians but personally Never worked for indians consultansies and never will and proud too
 
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that is because they don't have much respect for Nepalese <period>

 
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I Love Indian food!
 
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The thing is that we know Indians much better than people from other nationalities. Which effectively means we know their negatives much well. So we hate them for those negatives.


 
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This case is not only between Nepal and India.

Most of the country who are close to each other have kinda of hate with each other.
For instances, Serbs do not like Slovenian although they were once the same country..Not only slovenian but may be EU too., Because EU want to impose unnecessary hinderance upon them....Making their life vulnerable.

Poorer the we are, powerful try to impose hegemony.

May be so called , Survival of fittest..- Charles. Darwin
 
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noop u r wrong
we don' hate bhutan,
we don't hate china
we don't hate pakistan
we hate india because they hate us period
 
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We have never learned to be professional. When in job, you should behave as a professional, and don't turn professional relation to personal relation. We Nepalis don't understand the difference between professional and personal relation. Political and government employees should have professional relation with Indian counterparts, unfortunately they try to establish/ (overrun professional relative by) personal relation. India is made of 1.3 billion people, and the leaders are leaders of 1.3 billion people, and they are very smart, cunning, and educated as well: They know Sam Dam Danda Bhed, and the only way we can tackle them is by being professional: Kaam gara ghara jou, dherai kura nagara. Then, we would have earned respect. That is how we earn respect whether it is an indian or an american. Keep away your professional friend from your personal life. If you don't do it, then you will be in trouble, and start hating them.
 
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GP i agree with you!
 
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noop i don't agree if one or two smart guys are there it doesnot mans all of those are smart.... Broadly India is divided into vote banks , educated people have much less say in changing the pattern of results. True, they can make a difference in some places, but, uneducated voters who are vast in numbers elect the Government because they can easily be bought by emotional prodding thru caste, class, and social status. Bribery for the financially disabled gets the rest. Unless India abolishes Reservation system and introduce compulsory, free, high quality education for all, the present ills of scoundrels, rogues and criminals getting elected to parliament and assemblies will not stop. Personally i don't mean in this thread that government of india do hate us but what i believe is they have created such a phenomenon that its people hate us ...by giving bad name of bhadurs to ....smelly himalayis
 
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Why Nepal hate Indians and Indians hate Nepal

I find that there are three main reasons on hatred between the two neighbors, Nepal and India.

1. Early period:

    This hatred between Nepal and India existed since the early period when the two civilizations
(Aryan & Mleccha) fought for territorial and survival at the Indo-Gangetic plain of India.

Mleccha (from Vedic Sanskrit म्लेच्छ mleccha, meaning "non-Aryan, barbarian") is a term for people who did not conform with the moral and religious norms of the Indo-Aryan society.
Mleccha in Hinduism could refer to any being who has different teachings than Hinduism and does not follow the Vedas. In the Indian history many Buddhists from the Pala dynasty (Kamarupa) were known as Mlechhas.

The Vishnu Purana also indicates that the "chatur-varna" or four class social system was absent in the lands of Kiratas in the East and the Yavanas(Greek) and Kambojas(Iranian), etc. in the West


References in Mahabharata and other ancient Literature:

The Mahabharata groups the Yavanas with the Kambojas, and the Cinas(Chinese) and calls them "Mlechchas" (Barbarians).
In the epic Mahabharata, some Mleccha warriors are described as having "heads completely shaved or half-shaved or covered with matted locks, [as being] impure in habits, and of crooked faces." They are "dwellers of hills" and "denizens of mountain-caves."

In the Bhagavata Purana the term is used in the context of meat eaters, outcasts.

The Vanaparava of Mahabharata contains verses in the form of prophecy complaining that "… Mlechha (barbaric) kings of the Shakas, Yavanas, Kambojas, Bahlikas etc. shall rule the earth (i.e India) un-righteously in Kaliyuga....".
There are important references to the warring Mleccha hordes of the Shakas, Yavanas, Kambojas, Pahlavas, etc. in the Bala Kanda of the Valmiki Ramayana.
Indologists like Dr. Hemchandra C. Raychadhury, Dr. Bimala Churn Law, Dr. Satya Shrava, and others, see in these verses the clear glimpses of the struggles of the Hindus with the mixed invading hordes of the barbaric Sakas(Iranians), Yavanas(Greeks), Kambojas, Pahlavas, etc. from north-west and with Kiratas, Nagas, Cinas, Hunas, etc living at the foothills of Himalayas regions.

The time frame for these struggles is second century B.C.E. downwards. Dr. Raychadhury fixes the date of the present version of the Valmiki Ramayana around/after second century C.E
The Yamas, Kamvojas, Gandharas, Kiratas and Barbaras were mentioned together as northern tribes at (12,206).
In the Krita age, they were nowhere on earth (meaning Ancient India). It is from the Treta age that they have had their origin and began to multiply. When the terrible period came, joining Treta and the Dwapara, the Kshatriyas, approaching one another, engaged themselves in battle.---Another group comprising Andrakas, Guhas, Pulindas, Savaras, Chuchukas, Madrakas were also mentioned along with the first group.

In the Shanti Parava section, the Yavanas are grouped with the Kambojas, Kiratas, Sakas, and the Pahlavas, etc. and are spoken of as living the life of Dasyus (slaves).
The Manusmriti lists the Yavanas with the Kambojas, Sakas, Pahlavas, Paradas, etc. and regards them as degraded Kshatriyas (members of the warrior cast).

Brihat-Katha-Manjari of Kshmendra informs us that king Vikramaditya had unburdened the sacred earth of the Barbarians like the Shakas, Kambojas, Yavanas, Tusharas, Parasikas, Hunas etc. by annihilating these sinners completely.

Hatred against tribes beyond the kingdoms of Aryavarta in Mahabharata:

The Yavanas, the Kiratas, the Gandharvas, the Chinas, the Savaras, the Barbaras, the Sakas, the Tusharas, the Kankas, the Pathavas, the Andhras, the Madrakas, the Paundras, the Pulindas, the Ramathas, the Kamvojas were mentioned together as tribes beyond the kingdoms of Aryavarta. The Aryavarta-kings had doubts on dealing with them. (12,64)

In ancient Hindu scriptures, the Himalayan region extending from Himachal Pradesh, Uttarakhand, Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Nepal, Sikkim and Tripura was referred to as the “Kirat Desh” or “the Land of Kirats”. Still today one can find mon khmer Kirat people in Himachal Pradesh.

The most humiliating and demeaning name given to Kirats in the southern parts of Himalayan range (Gangetic plain and its viscinities) as expressed in Hindu mythology), was "Rakshyasha", who were bravely fighting against the Indo-Aryan invasion, for the protection of their lands and self existence (Rakshya + Yasha = Rakshyasha). They started calling them "Rakshyasha" exaggerating with fantasy and portraiting them as the most most cruel people in the world is proven here from the Mabhaarata text is one example.
Yakkha belongs to the Kirat family.
It is claimed that the ethnonym "Yakkha" as per the conqueror Aryan's Sanskrit grammar had been spelled in the Aryan-Hindu mythologies as "Yaksa-sh"
And the territory of Yakshas(Yakkha) is mentioned as the region surrounding the Kailasa mountains and Manasa lake (Tibet) in the Himalayas.
In Section 3:152 describes Pandava Bhima's expedition to this territory:-
"Bhima saw in the vicinity of the Kailasa cliff, that beautiful lotus lake surrounded by lovely woods, and guarded by the Rakshasas." referring to the Kiratas, Cinas, Sakas, Nagas, Sabara, Yavanas who were all fighting against the Indo-Aryan invasion.

Hence all the indigenous Tibeto-Burmese/ Mongolaid people who are referred to as KIRATAS in ancient texts have a long hatred for the Indians.
It did not happen over night. Hence the hatred between Nepalese and Indians.


2. Nepal largely influence both Politically and religiously:

    The King accepted that Nepal is a country a garden of four Castes and thirty-six varna but his mission was to make Nepal a real India (“Asali Hindustan”).
Nepal: Forms and Origins of Discrimination by Krishna B, Bhattachan, PhD
http://www.sajha.com/sajha/html/OpenThread.cfm?forum=2&ThreadID=72091

Since this became unsuccessful, the Indians have a grudge against Nepali people.


3. Indian Rebellion of 1857[India's First War of Independence]:

    Indian Rebellion of 1857 began as a mutiny of Sepoy of British East India Company's army on 10 May 1857, in the town of Meerut, and soon erupted into other mutinies and civilian rebellions largely in the upper Gangetic plain and central India, with the major hostilities confined to present-day Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, northern Madhya Pradesh, and the Delhi region. The Indians had started their independence struggle against the British Empire in the 1800s. The struggle spread to the Indian Native Armed Forces serving the British. The mutiny began from the Meerut cantonment.

The rebellion is also known as India's First War of Independence, the Great Rebellion, the Indian Mutiny, the Revolt of 1857, the Uprising of 1857 and the Sepoy Mutiny.During this Indian Mutiny, Gurkhas fought on the British side. 2nd Gurkha rifles defended Hindu Rao's house for over three months, losing 327 out of 490 men. In addition,the British Empire requested Nepal for help. Then Prime Minister and Commander–in–Chief Jung Bahadur Rana himself took part in the suppression of the rebellion with Col Pahal Man Singh Basnyat and Col Bhairab Narsingh Rana along with some 17,000 Nepalese troops. About 5,000 mutineers were killed and some 500 captured in Gorakhpur, Jompur, Lucknow, Pipre Sahebgunj, Shish Gunj, Balewa and Jalalpur. With this Nepalese expedition the relation between the British and the Nepalese naturally further improved.

On 18 November 1860 an agreement between the two governments was signed. The plains lying between Mahakli River and Rapti River, which was lost by Nepal in the 1816 Sugauli Treaty, was returned by the grateful British.

Bottomline: The Gurkhas and Nepalese troops whom both are from Nepal helped the British to suppress the mutiny hence ending Indian's war for Independence.


Last but not least, we Nepalese are not the only one who don't like Indians.
Any people who have associated with the Indians for long period will know this.

To the Gurkhas, who were not Indians but Nepalese, I took an immediate likings.~Brigadier R.C.B Bristow Memoirs of the British Raj, 1974
(Warrior Gentlemen) ~ "Gurkhas" in the Western Imagination by Lionel Caplan



Work Reference:

The Indian Mutiny 1857-58
 By Gregory Fremont-Barnes

Political History of Ancient India
By Raychadhury

The Kiratas in the Ancient India
By G.P Singh

The Śakas in India By
Satya Shrava

Tribal and indigenous people of India
By Rabindra Nath Pati, Jagannatha Dash

Manusmriti X.43-44.

Brihat-Katha-Manjari 10.1.285-86.

Mahabharata Chapter III.188.34-36. The First Council





 
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Because we are frustrated of ourselves amd jeaous of neighbours good.
 
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Trust me if there was no Indians in Indo-Gangetic plain(India), Nepal would be on the same par as
Japan, S. Korea, China, HK and other Asian countries.

It's just our destiny to have Indians as our neighbor.


Anyway the Bible said "You must love your neighbor as yourself."
<<Matthew 22:39>>


This is JPEG and i am sermon for the day!!

 
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because they think they are the only smart people in the world (they are!!!lol). Not only Nepali hate Indians, I have some Sri Lankan friends who hate Indians.


 
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Tamanglakola ji, actually when you said that Indians are smart, actually they are. For over a millennium, they have fooled the people. Only in coming years, through education and scholars work, people have come to see the light of Vedic Hinduism and Ramayana and Mahabharata epic.

To start, the Ramayana and Mahabharata epic is the clash of the civilisation for territorial and survival. There is no such thing as God fighting the Demon.
The truth is the Indians portrait themselves as Good(God) and to those who oppose them as Evil(Demon). They create such an illusion to fool the people for over a millenia now, writing the History of the Indians civilisation in the Ramayana and Mahabharata text while never mentioning their enemey as the human.
The Indians called those who fight against them as Mleccha(Babarian), Dasyus (slaves), Rakshyasha(demon) and so on with all other humiliating and demeaning names can be found in the Veda, and other ancient Indian texts such as Ramayana and Mahabharata.

Tamanglakoka ji, here's the reason why your Sri Lankan friends hate Indians.The Sri Lankan were Aborigines of the ancient Ceylon and they too did not conform to the teachings of the Vedas such as "chatur-varna" or four class social system. When the Aryans started arriving at the Indo-Giangetic plains(India), all the aborigines were pushed to further regions/frontier of the Indo-Giangetic plains.
Some migrated to the south of the plain(Ceylon) and others to the foothills of the Himalayas regions.
The Sri-Lankan(Ceylon) aborigines are the Veddhas. The term Veddha by which their Sinhalese neighbors denote them, comes from the Sanskrit Vyadha meaning hunter with bow and arrow. The pure Veddhas, unlike the Sinhalese who speak an Indo-Aryan language and claim Aryan descent, are related to the Austro-Asiatic peoples found scattered today in many parts of southern Asia. These include the aboriginal tribes of Chota Nagpur in eastern India such as the Hos and Birhors, the Sakai of Malaysia, the Kubu of Indonesia and the Australian aborigines. The other Aborigines of the ancient Ceylon are Yakkhas(Yakho) member of Kiratas family. Kiratas were other Aborigines living in Indo-Giangetic plains who Aryans had problem dealing with.

"The Kirat Vansavali mentions that after twelve generations, one branch of Kirat people migrated from the Indo-Gangetic plains to the Himalayan region and the other branch to Lanka or Ceylon to the south. It is for this reason that some scholars admire to find one of the aboriginal tribes of Ceylon with the name of, “Yakho” similar to the Yakkha-tribe of Eastern Kirat people of Nepal. The Yakkhas, who are the aborigines of Ceylon (Lanka), originally forest-dwelling hunters but now almost completely assimilated into the modern Sinhalese population."
~The History of the Kirat People(2003)

It is very interesting to note that the most humiliating and demeaning name given to Kiratas and other Aborigines in the southern parts of Himalayan range (Gangetic plain and its vicinities) as expressed in Hindu mythology), was "Rakshyasha", who were bravely fighting against the Indo-Aryan invasion, for the protection of their lands and self existence (Rakshya + Yasha = Rakshyasha). They started calling them "Rakshyasha" exaggerating with fantasy and portraiting them as the most most cruel people in the world is proven here from the Mabhaarata text is one example.
It is claimed that the ethnonym "Yakkha" as per the conqueror Aryan's Sanskrit grammar had been spelled in the Aryan-Hindu mythologies as "Yaksa-sh" (like Bhisu-shu for an ascetic "Bhikchu" of the Buddhist holy scripts). Although the legendary Yaksa-sh, by the corrupt name of Yakkha and Kirats are being hailed in the Hindu holy scripts Vedas and the ancient Sanskrit literature, the Yakkha is eternally firm with its own clanonym, "The Yakkha".

Yaksha Kingdom refers to the territory of a tribe called Yakshas who were one among the Exotic Tribes of Ancient India. They had kinship with another similar tribe viz. Rakshasas. Yaksha king Vaisravana (also known as Kubera, Kuvera etc) and Rakshasa king Ravana were both sons of the sage Visrava Paulastya. Kubera is sometimes mentioned as a Rakshasa king. Kubera ruled a Yaksha kingdom of enormous wealth near the Kailasa mountains. Pandavas visited this place during their forest life, by mounting the Himalayas with the help of Rakshasa Ghatotkacha and his friends.
The territory of Yakshas(Yakkha) under Kubera is mentioned as the region surrounding the Kailasa mountains and Manasa lake (Tibet) in the Himalayas is proven from the Mahabharata text.

Expeditions of Pandavas (3:139) guided by sage Lomasa:-

Lomasa said, now hast thou left behind the mountains Usiravija, Mainaka and Sweta, as well as the Kala hills, O son of Kunti, O bull among the descendants of Bharata, here flow before thee the seven Gangas. This spot is pure and holy. Here Agni blazeth forth without intermission. Now wilt thou see the play-ground of the Devas, marked with their footprints, as we have passed the mountain Kala. We shall now ascend that white rock—the mountain Mandara, inhabited by the Yakshas(Yakkha), Manibhadra and Kuvera, king of the Yakshas. O king, at this place eighty thousand fleet Gandharvas, and four times as many Kimpurushas and Yakshas of various shapes and forms, holding various weapons, attend upon Manibhadra, king of the Yakshas. In these regions their power is very great. And in speed they are even as the wind. They can, without doubt, displace even the lord of the Devas from his seat. Protected by them, and also watched over by the Rakshasas, these mountains have been rendered inaccessible. Here are fierce ministers of Kuvera and his Rakshasa kindred.

Section 3:152 describes Pandava Bhima's expedition to this territory:-

Bhima saw in the vicinity of the Kailasa cliff, that beautiful lotus lake surrounded by lovely woods, and guarded by the Rakshasas. And it sprang from the cascades contiguous to the abode of Kuvera. And situated on the rocky elevation this expanse of excellent water was exceedingly fair. That unearthly receptacle of waters was covered with celestial Saugandhika lotuses. And this lake was the sporting region of the high-souled Kuvera, the king of the Yakshas. And it was held in high regard by the Gandharvas the Apsaras and the celestials. And it was frequented by the celestial sages and the Yakshas and the Kimpurushas and the Rakshasas and the Kinnaras; Hundreds and thousands of Rakshasas,(referring to the Kiratas, Cinas,Nagas, Sabaras who were all fighting against the Indo-Aryan invasion) were guarding that lake, wearing uniforms and armed with various weapons.

As for the case in Ceylon, the epic of Ramayana was a fantasy. Destroying the civilisation of the Aborigines of the ancient Ceylon and portraying them as the Rakshyasha" (demon) are described By H. PARKER (ANCIENT CEYLON: An Account of the Aborigines and of Part of the Early Civilisation)
Here's some of his work.

THE FIRST INHABITANTS

When the first Aryan invaders entered India they brought with them an exaggerated belief in the existence of various classes of evil beings, among whom those termed Rakshasas occupied the most prominent place. These demons were thought to be especially active and powerful during the darkness of the night, when, though invisible in their true shapes, they acted in many objectionable ways in opposition to the new settlers ; and most of the ills which beset the Aryans were attributed to their malevolence. Every mysterious sound heard during the night, and especially the weird calls of the forest owls, showed them to be then in the immediate neighborhood of the villages or encampments, but with the first gleams of sunrise they vanished ; the spear-like rays of the mighty Sun-god had annihilated them, or at the least had driven them away into the obscurity of the trackless forests. Being thus powerful during the nocturnal hours, it was naturally believed to be they who inspired the night attacks of the aboriginal tribes, the constant enemies of the Aryan settlers ; and many and fervent were the prayers addressed to and , to arise and disperse and overwhelm them.
In the fourth hymn of Book iv of the Rig-Veda (Griffiths' translation) the prayer runs :

Rise, Agni, drive off those who fight against us: make manifest thine
own celestial vigour.
Slacken the strong bows of the demon-driven. . . . Destroy the cursing R&kshasas.

As the Aryans advanced further into the country their belief in the existence of these demons of the night remained for ANCIENT CEYLON firmly impressed on their minds. They afflicted both man and beast, and were devourers of raw flesh. Sometimes they appeared bodily, not in their true forms, but in the shape of dogs, owls, and other birds and obstructed the sacrifices of the Aryans in various ways, and especially by the pollution of their presence.

In the hymn 104 of Book vii, the Maruts the Gods of the Storm-winds and Indra are appealed to :

She, too, who wanders like an owl at night-time, hiding her body in
her guilt and malice, May she fall downward into endless caverns. May press-stones with
loud ring destroy the demons. Spread out, ye Maruts, search among the people: seize ye and grind
the Rakshasas to pieces, Who fly abroad, transformed to birds at night-time, or sully ancl
pollute our holy worship. Indra hath ever been the fiends' destroyer who spoil oblations of the
Gods* invokers: Yea, Sakra, like an axe that splits the timber, attacks and smashes
them like earthen vessels. Destroy the fiend shaped like an owl or owlet, destroy him in the form
of dog or cuckoo. Destroy him shaped as eagle or as vulture: as with a stone, O Indra,,
crush the demon.

They were considered to be especially-malignant sorcerers.
The same hymn continues : * Slay the male demon, Indra, Slay the female, joying and triumphing in arts and magic. It concludes with the prayer, Indra and Soma, watch ye

well Cast forth your weapon at the fiends : against the sorcerers hurl your bolt/

The hymn 87 of Book x is entirely devoted to denunciations of these demons, and appeals to Agni to destroy them :

Where now thoii seest, Agni Jatavedas, one of these demons standing
still or roaming. Or flying on those paths in air's mid-region, sharpen the shaft and as
an archer pierce Mm. The fiend who smears himsell with flesh of cattle, with flesh of horses
and of human bodies, Who steak the milch-cow's milk away, O Agni tear off the heads
of with fiery fury.
Agni, from days of old then slayest demons: never shall Rakshasas
in fight o'ercome thea Bum up the foolish ones, the flesh devourers ; let none of them escape
thine heavenly arrow.

In the Sanaa-Veda (Stevenson's translation) the Rakshasas are said to be indomitable (Adhyaya xii, 2), and to be all around (Prapathaka vi, 6).

In the hymns of the Atharva-Veda (Bloomfield) we learn that the Rakshasas robbed people of their senses (vi, 3), and * possessed ' them (ii, 9), and that errors made in the prescribed ritual of the sacrifice were also sometimes due to their malicious interference (vii, 70). They were unable to face Indra ; * Indra forced the demons into the nethermost darkness ' (ix, 2).

Such were some of the earliest ideas of the Aryans concerning the Rakshasas, in the second or third millenium before Christ. In the first half of the pre-Christian millennium, the Ordinances of Manu confirm the statement that the Rakshasas were flesh-eating demons, and that night was the special time of demons' activity; they also place them in a position of high respectability after the Gods and Manes, along with other classes of supernatural beings. In the Sutta-Nipata (Fausboll's translation, S.B.E., p. 51) we find the Rakshasas uniting with the Gods in reprobating the slaughter of cows.

When the Indian epic poem, the Ramayana, was composed, the Rakshasas had developed into beings who constantly made their appearance before men, in their own or other forms which they took at will They were first described as wandering malignant demons of the great Vindhya forest, which extended far to the south in India; and afterwards, in the later portions of that work, they were represented as occupying all Ceylon, then (and still) denominated Lanka, under the rule of their own king, Ravana. The Maha-Bharata has the same tradition.

The latest account of them in these works is as follows l: When Brahma created the Waters he formed Rakshasas to guard them.2 Visvakarman, the general architect and builder of the Gods, erected a city termed Lankapura for them in Ceylon, on the top of the mountain Trikuta, * Three Peaks/ on the shore of the southern ocean. Three of their princes

1 Main Original Sanskrit Textst Vol. iv, pp. 414 ff.

2 Two Rakshasas are carved in relief as guards In Fig, 159. I know of no other representation of them In the Sinhalese carvings.6 ANCIENT CEYLON

performed intense austerities for which they were rewarded by the grant of long life and a certain amount of invincibility. They made use of these gifts to oppress the Gods and sages, and at last prepared to attack heaven itself. The Sama-Veda mentions another Rakshasa called Kravi, who had previously got heaven and earth into his power and desolated them (Adhyaya xiii, Cool. They were defeated by Vishnu, and driven back to Ceylon, and afterwards to the underworld, Patala, as stated also in the Atharva-Veda, where the deed is attributed to Indra (see above).

Kuvera, the God of Wealth, with his attendants the Yak-shas, who were demons of another type, in some respects not much better than the Rakshasas, but of a higher rank, then took up his residence in Ceylon, at Lankapura. Eventually, his half-brother Ravana, the Rakshasa king, by means of thousands of years of austerity obtained from Brahma the boon of indestructibility by all beings of a higher class than man. This enabled him to re-occupy Ceylon, which once more became the headquarters of the Rakshasas. He also conquered Kuvera, whose magic car he took, Yama, the God of Death, and Indra, and generally made the lives of the Gods extremely unpleasant. ' The Gods then addressed a word to Brahma, the Creator of the world: " A Rakshasa named Ravana having obtained a boon from thee, 0 Brahma, in his pride harasses us all. Obedient to thy words, we endure everything at his hands. . . . We are therefore in great fear of this Rakshasa of horrible aspect" * (Muir, O.S.T. iv, p. 140).

The Ramayana recounts at great length how these truculent demons interfered with or polluted the sacrifices of the anchorites in the Vindhya forest, and even devoured those holy men. The situation was evidently insupportable. In the meantime, the Gods had a' rod in pickle for the demons. Vishnu, the younger brother of Indra,- had acceded to the unanimous request of the- deities, .and'become., .incarnate as Rama, the son of Dasaratha, the king of Ayodhya or Oudh. Rama, who was suitably provided with .magic weapons, first destroyed the Rakshasas in India,on.account of their crimesTHE RAKSHASAS

there; and then, assisted by an immense army of monkeys and bears, proceeded to attack and kill Ravana in Ceylon, after the demon king had carried off his wife Sita to Lanka-pura. He then returned to Oudh with Sita. According to the Rajavaliya, one of the Sinhalese historical works, the date of this event was 1844 years before Gotama Buddha entered on his mission, that is, about 2370 B.C.

Although he had promised to do it, Rama did not exterminate the Rakshasas. Vibhisana, the younger brother of Ravana, a good and devout worshipper of Vishnu, who had joined Rama's forces in the war against the Rakshasas, was appointed the sovereign of the survivors in Ceylon, in the place of Ravana ; and there the story ends so far as it concerns Ceylon. The Rakshasas also vanish from history, with the exception of an occasional appearance of a fever- or ophthalmic-causing demon who is termed a Rakshasa in the Sinhalese chronicles. They are found, however, in early times and down to the present day in the folk-stories of the villagers, both in India and Ceylon. In Ceylon they have degenerated into mere man-eating ogres of the European Jack - and - the - Beanstalk type/ who are much more powerful than the Yakshas.

Although there is nothing in the legend of the Ramayana to indicate that the composer of even the last section possessed more than the slightest knowledge of Ceylon, most of the geographical outlines referring to the island are accurately pour-trayed. He knew that Ceylon was an island near the southern coast of India, and tied to it, as it were, by a chain of islands or sandbanks. He was aware that the country was about 100 leagues in length "the actual distance is about 266 miles and that there are mountains in the -southern part of it. He had also learnt that on the side of the ancient highway leading from the end of Mannar to the southern districts, the traveller passed a Mil termed Arishtha, the Arittha of the Pali histories of Ceylon, now called Ritigala, near the foot of which the high road certainly ran in historic times. The name Suvela, which is also mentioned as that of a hill, cannot be identified as such, but may be a reference to the land round the town called Uruvela, In the northern
part of the Kandian hill-country there are also three very conspicuous peaks on one of the higher mountains, when viewed from the northern low country, from which the idea of the mountain Trikiita may have been derived.

It is evident that before this knowledge of the interior of Ceylon could be available in India, the island must have been thoroughly explored by intelligent travelers. This could only be done in a settled and peaceable country such as we find under the Sinhalese kings, and there is no probability that it was ever feasible at an earlier period. As European scholars now agree, the whole account of the invasion of Ceylon by Rama must therefore have been invented during historic times, and it thus becomes simply and -purely a poetic fiction, an improvement of the original story without any basis whatever in fact. Even such a slight foundation for it as the spread of the Hindu religion, or Aryan civilisation, among the tribes of the south must be swept away so far as Ceylon is concerned, since the descendants of the original inhabitants of the island, the Veddhas of the interior, have never adopted the worship of the Hindu gods, nor, until historic times, the civilisation of the Aryans.


Therefore it is easily understood why your Sri-Lankan friends too hate the Indians. Indians are crafty smart and this has been since the early period. It's in their genes basically.

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Thats a good question,


I am also one of those (stupid) who falls in that category and it came automatically from childhood. I started hating them without meeting a single indian guy/girl. Doesnt matter what reason people give regarding this its all bullshit because there is no valid reason. Saying that I am not defending them because I already told I am one of those who fall in this category, looks like its in my blood.


I am one of those who are ready to support any other dumbass cricket team if they are playing against india :) And things similar to those, but what did indian cricke team do to me or us, I dont know, really dont know. I know there r so many gud players there but still i dont like sachin, i dont like yubaraj, i dont like Dhoni, kumble ...........just coz I am bias and i know it and hope u know it too. For those who doesnt care about cricket forget it I am just giving an example any sports and events its the same trend.


I saw people here and outside also saying i dint and i dont work for their store, gas station, and consultancies, doesnt change anything people, u will meet them in every IT and Non-IT company, U may find them as your manager, senior, colleage or Owner.


May be one reason can be other people think we r indians ( most of us ) so what ? dont forget we dont have any identity, Most of the people in this world doesnt know where is Nepal who is Nepali, and just they can guess because we look alike ( dont pretend we are more fair than them ok because we do have some dark faces and they do have lots of fair peoples, its just our wrong concept), those folks who are mongolian feature might say we dont look like but dont forget India do have parts where they have that kind of people and their populattion itself is much more higher than the entire population of Nepal so think about it.


We hate them but I am sure most of us have more indian friends than from any other countries. We call them by names but we cannot live without their music and movies. Every nepali program, every nepali house, all you can see is people dancing in their songs, watching their movies but we still hate them why I dont know. ( if you are not one of them dont be so excited dudes you are only 1 out of thousands). You know hindi better than english, you watch hindi serials, TV and still you hate them.


I personally found they  (most of them who know about nepal) like nepaleese may be because we work hard as a store worker, gas station worker or in the offices too.


some of you maynto agree with me but thats the fact which we should accept. I love nepal and Nepaleese than anything in this world but I learned a little bit after I came here and trying not to be bias about them but looks like its in my blood its very hard to do it. but I am trying....


 


 


 


 
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I agree 100% with your Micky Micky.

I had the same experience and feeling as that you have. Thats

why I started this thread and I got the right answer from you.

 

 
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We were indoctrinated with hatred for India from our early childhood. From the early age we heard our parents, older brothers and people we looked up to making derogatory  remarks to indians and being racist towards Indians. Remember he famous sayings like " Manu Makhu Marshaya Kha" and " Dherai royo bhane madise aayera India lancha ani haat khutta katera magna basauncha bato ma"

The kings of Nepal starting from Mahendra Sewed the seed i think. Royals wanted Nepali people to hate India becasue it saw india as a threatning force for its own existance in Nepal. They wanted to become a blockage for Nepalese people to accept the India as their PIMP ( not to be confused with the words like liberation from Indian or proctection from Indian) Kings wanted to be the PIMPs themselves than India become the PIMP of Nepalese people.

To top it off, Various unfair treaties, rip off deals on water resources, unfair boarder disputes, economic blockade, no access to the sea, and just the fact that an ignorant and misinformed Indian whom we meet on our day to day life who claims Buddha, Everest and Nepal being part of India adds fuel to the pre existing hatred we have in our heart already.

The sad thing is that the hatred has/had trickled down to our own brothers in Terai, leading to the mess of seperate Terai state currently.

Sid


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By the way i do not watch Hindi Movies because half of them are plagiarized anyways and the other half are just too cheesy to watch. They have no idea how to make an original or intelligent movies. I do not listen to Hindi movies for the same purpose. I do not have lots of Indian friends...because i am little embarrassed to hang out with them, i get self conscious about being grouped into them. I  would rather go to lunch alone than be seen with the curry smelly brothers...

I am not sure if that makes me Racist towards Indians or is it just that i am not able to put up with the smell and the loud noise.


Peace !!!

 



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