Returning to Nepal with a US degree, good or a bad idea?

 So, Agni, what's your proposition? Everyone should abandon Kathmandu and move away? Is that what your suggestion?

You are making so many assumptions, I don't know where to start. What makes you think I am living in the states and far from knowing the reality of KTM? In fact, I am not comfortable with your stress on the fact that you live in KTM. How do we know that? For all I know, you seem to know a great deal about the states. In any case, let's put these irrelevant things (like I live here, you don't know anything, etc etc) away. Let's focus on hard facts.

Lots of people who are super smart make small amount of money. Tons of math professors in the states make a pittance in comparison to the MBAs. So on and so forth, you know.

In any case, please be more optimistic about our life in Nepal. It does have great future.

And yes, lots of people , PhDs from MIT, Berkeley, Harvard or other top universities live in KTM, happily. I have met quite a few of them. You need to have a purpose in life. You should try to transform society. Barring that, all you are hoping for is a life where you serve white people so that you can ride on their cars and their vehicles, then, I am sure USA is a right place to aim for.

I live in Kathmandu, sir and I recently returned back myself. Fortunately enough, I come from a family with a decent financial status and I sought to ply my trade here in Kathmandu itself instead of returning back. 

I'm not suggesting that everyone should pack their bags and flee the country. There's no need for that but the originator of the thread asked if returning to Nepal with a US degree is a good idea or not to which I said - If you have a decent job in the States, it will be a foolishness to return back. Further, if you don't have a decent financial background back home, Kathmandu will squeeze all you've learned out of your mind. 

Like I previously mentioned, one of my friends, a topper from a reputed uni ( he earned full scholarships to get into the college ) is making 15k/ month and despite having worked at the company for 2 years, he still can't afford a motorbike. 

Imagine a Harvard or Berkeley or Duke or hell, even South Dakota State Uni topper facing a situation. 

Nepal does offer a number of options for the "haves". You need dough to invest to launch a career here. Business is the way to go. Working for others as entry level staff will neither allow you to earn a decent sum, nor lead a happy life. 

Of course, happiness can be attained in different ways. By doing Yoga, or even practicing some "yogism" by being a devotee of a renowned yogi, there are ways. 

Working for others in the States was the main reason why I decided to return back. I was fortunate enough to have the luxury of affording to take loans and starting a business. Further, I need not worry about building homes or buying lands ( not trying to sound like a brat or anything ) but do you reckon it'd be a noble idea for someone who doesn't have the same luxury to return back? 

When on earth will someone who's gonna start off at 25k/month be able to buy a house in Kathmandu? A simple 2 bedroom flat at a decent place costs 10-15k over here. Lets get real here man and escape all this romanticism. I'm not try to depress anybody. Instead, I'm just expressing my views as a realist. I'd definitely welcome everyone with a US degree to return back, develop this country of ours and what not but for someone who's making over 50 grand per year in the States, is giving up a promising career just because he'd no longer enslaved to white men ( as you put it ) worth it? I highly doubt it. 


For the record, I spent 7 years in the US. Traveled all over it, have friends and family all over and thus, I'm well familiar of situations of Nepalese. 

biology

you have very nice points. it is so true that we came here in our late teen and early 20s and priorities in life were different. we focused more on instant gratification and materialism. as we are progress into 30 and over, our priorities as well as perspective of/on life is different.

it is also true that we focus on what nepal doesnt not have rather than what it has, when we talk about going back. many people said that they would return once the insurgency was over, now its a different excuse for them. remember that the time is always right to do the right thing. we were born there and we sure can go back and live. i am not saying it will be a piece of cake but the nature of human being is to adjust.

hurray

being "loser" is a very big factor that is stopping people from going back. "phalano ko chora le chhai utai basyo, yo chhai aayo kehi garna nasakera" bhanne jasta kura hunchhan. our society puts a great emphasis on that.

agnibikram

you really seem to know the US inside out. u must have had lived here or else there is no way that you can explain about the US so precisely.

 Now I tend to agree with you, almost.

I agree that people with no network, no financial strength, from far flung districts, should think hard before returning because tough time may be awaiting them.[Of course, people make tons of money in those far away districts too, but the probability of doing so is less.]

But I don't agree how you characterize your friend (who "topped" univ--without mentioning with what degree) making 15K entry level salary. I think people shouldn't expect to make tons of money at the entry level just because they topped university. In any case, it is entry level job. If he has high IQ, I am sure he will rise quickly. If all he did was rote like parrot to get the gold medal, then the gold medal is really not worth much.

I have friends who failed in highschool, went to feed business rightaway as an apprentice of a marwari businessman, and in fifteen years, they have become trader. To succeed in business, we need different kind of skill. A PhD or MA gold medalist should think about research opportunities, because that's where the competitive advantage for them lies. A gold medalist with the 'victimized look' can really be a burden for his boss, his family and so on. People should really quickly move on to learn salable skill and cash in on it rather than waiting for people to come and pay them big bucks. 

I think it will take awhile before people can expect to go back to Nepal, get a "good jagir" that pays them lakhs of rupees, and drive around in car. Rightnow, people should go back with good business ideas and mean to implement them. A few friends of mine went back and started good restaurants. I thought they made our city life better. I myself have some plan to start a children's park in Pokhara (this darn land price hike put a temporary stop to that), so that people can spend more time in Pokhara and there is something for children. One day, we will see emergence of Road King type billionaires, who make road and levy toll taxes for driving there. Just like ten years ago, several people wouldn't have imagined malls/apartments buildings in KTM, today it is hard for a lot of us to imagine a city with better amenties. But we are moving toward that direction.

Also, note that when you visit Geneva, you see that new city is built around an old city that looked as shitty as our KTM. In Lhasa, or Beijing too, old city has been preserved and new cities are built around it. So, one day, people in KTM see the benefit in making good infrastructures around the valley and things will be better. In any case, with US education and worldlywise attitude, you should definitely work towards changing people's attitude. 

I have been watching this thread for a last few days and I Cant remain without posting some of my experience.

I studied in Australia  and went back to Nepal  and lived in nepal for few years and Now I am in US.

I went to Australia when I was 16 years old to do my high school.After finishing the bachelor degree ( it took me 7 years to finish from 12 + diploma + bachelor  ) i decided to go back to Nepal. I decided because  I  wanted to stay with my family. None     of my relatives   liked the idea of me going back so they said don't come back, yo dehs ma kehi chaina , you will regret etc ect. .MY family didnot  say like that so I went back to Nepal .

After I went back everything was strange for me.But everything became normal after 6 months or so. Only thing I didnot have was friends. All my friends were in either AUSTRALIA OR USA.I started a small company soon after I landed in Nepal. First 3 years was very very hard. and i struggled a lot for rent and staff salary. then  big break came after few years and I made lot of money. I never ever in my life thought I would make this kind of money.

I am currently in USA because of my wife. I travel back and forth and look after my company. Skype has made life easier these days .

anyway  What I suggest is if you think you can do better in Nepal, go for it.   life is not as hard as we think when we are overseas. Sure there are no roads but that thoughts dont come to your mind when you are in Nepal. I still ride my old motorbike when I am in Kathmandu.Imagine the opportunities in Nepal. Nothing is done . you can do anything and make money. sure its hard but if you work hard like in USA  you can definitely find a success in NEPAL.

having said that one of my friends was kicked out from home becasue he didnot have money when he came back from Australia and went to do job in bank for 12 000/ Month. His parents were very very disssponted and kicked him out of the home.So be careful you need family support , its very important , if I didnot have family support for the first few years I would have commited suicide.

if you think of doing business in Nepal you better have lots of ropanis inside ktm because banks don't give unsecured loans. the dude who was saying in Nepal we don't have to pay taxes so we can invest better than US is forgetting the fact that in order to start a business you got to have enough capital or have decent collateral to get loans from banks. Also don't forget that those banks give you 12% interst to get your money i am sure they would charge about 18% to give you loans. seriously the Nepali banks are robbers. Also unlike in USA if you want to do business in Nepal it all boils down to who you know and who are you. you have to have strong family ties with the influentials and know madbadis who control the business world. seriously, to prosper i Nepali business world is how you play your cards with these marbadis who can make you a begger in months if you piss them off.And don't forget the the new netas and their relatives , familes etc.they roam around like they own the world and you can't call for law you come rescue you. if you don't have rich and i mean filty rich say 6 ropanis land inside ktm and at least 10 carore in capital don't even thnink you are going to strive in Nepal just with ideas.

Perception is:

Grass always looks greener on the other side of the fence.  Is it really green?  You have to go over the fence to find out.  You might be disappointed.  You might be happy.

While living abroad:

You will miss Nepali festivals, friends and family, food
You will miss hariyo dada kaada khola naala
You will miss hustle and bustle of the place you grew up

While living in Nepal:

You will miss cleanliness, ease of doing business and organization of the first world
You will miss on-demand hot water, electricity, clean air, good medical care, arts and entertainment
You will miss having an insulated home and driving nice automobiles on smooth roads

So, either way, you are screwed because you have your feet in two canoes.  Whichever way you lean, you will feel some pain.  It's your decision which pain is bearable to you.  It's up to you how you manage from hereon.

But isn't it nice to have this option.  Lot of people don't.  You are the lucky-sonofabitch.

Fact is:

If

1. If you come from affluent family, meaning you have house(s) and land(s) in Kathmandu
2. Through your family, you have substantial network, meaning you or your daddy has ties with thulo-badaa and knows the ropes
3. You got your US degree but can't get a job deserving your qualification

Then

It is best if you return to Nepal and make the best of what you already have.  Eg. some Golchas, Amatyas, Ranas, etc.

Or

If

1. If you come from middle class family with not much wealth and not much "afno manche" connections

Then

It is best to stay in the US or Australia and make something of yourself here.  You won't get better opportunity in Nepal than here.

Or

If

1. If you have PhD in STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, Math) field from a respectable university
2. You already have or on track to get Green Card
3. You have a job that is actually quite fulfilling, meaning you enjoy doing what you do at work
4. You have kids

Then

Stay put in the US or Australia.  Nepal is not even an option for you.

And forget the crap about desh-bikaas and nation-building nonsense.  These are the guilt trips that people put on you. They have little or no concern about your well being.  

Say you do feel like nation building and return to Nepal leaving everything you have built here.  What exactly are you going to do or can you do?  Are you going to join the Maoists or Congressis or Communists?  Do you honestly think that you can rise high in those wretched ranks and be a prime minister or president?  Oh you say, you don't have to join the politics to do good in Nepal.  Sure, you say, you can open schools or another Maiti Nepal.  But, I say to you, you can do that by working in the US or Australia and sending some financial support back to Nepal.  You can designate people to do the ground work there.  That would be the most efficient use of the resources. YOU CAN SERVE YOUR MOTHERLAND FROM OUTSIDE TOO.

Focus on yourself and your family.  What is good for you?  What is good for your family?  And then, donate some to charity in Nepal with prudence.  If you can figure that out, nation will take care of itself.

I really admire the feeling spilled out here, and i believe it is just not the vacuous patriotism. somehow if we connected ourselves to Nepal, be it living here or be it returning back to nepal, it could be brain gain instead of brain drain. Those who were already routed back there or are in the process of routing back, are "embodiment of hope" for future better nepal and it is really commendable because we need lion heart to make own teritory back there out of chaos. One sentence i want to recite here again " if u want to return then its a right time otherwise it will be too late" and i am pretty much convinced with that saying. If u return back when everything is ok, then u will be lost like in US, nomatter how genious you are but this time itself is an oppertunity to make change if you already have some experience here.

With being said that u might ask me WTF  i'm doing here then. Well, i came here just 1 years ago after having B.E. and now pursuing MS here. I can stay here throughout my life with my GC but feeling is gradually changing and i hope this will drag me back to Nepal. Before that i have to learn many things from here. Shortly after coming here  i used to think why did i come here? Now i realized, its an oppertunity to learn my own weaknesses and mistakes, to learn the spectrum of differences between least developing and the developed country.

For those who said Nepal is polluted,corrupted bureaucracy is prevalent, everything is delapidated, who did that?
Did u ever think its my street before u spit or pee or throwing garbage? I didn't.

Did u ever teach yr family that we can reduce household garbages upto greater extent rather throwing in the street infront of own house when there is noone to collect it, in my case i didn't.

Did you ever ask yr parents how did he manage your unlimited desire, stylish bikes with the salary of few thousands? well in my case i never desired anything he couldnot afford.

Whom do you think are the corrupted bureaucates? They r my uncles, dad, brothers,relatives.

Think about it, u will get the answer of "who did it"

u know what the problem with all of us. we are way overanalyzing  this thing. something that phucks us all.

 What bothers me is this type of general statement.

Kalopani, for example, writes

"if you don't have rich and i mean filty rich say 6 ropanis land inside ktm and at least 10 carore in capital don't even thnink you are going to strive in Nepal just with ideas"

Obviously, Kalopani is not telling us what type of business needs 6 ropanis of land (which is about 20 karod rupees). Because he doesn't have to go into specifics. I knew this guy, Ichha Raj Tamang, came from remote district, and started a housing business and is now a billionaire. The owner of Bhatbhateni mall, Min Bahadur Gurung, too came from remote district and became almost billionaire. It is not easy to succeed in Nepal, I agree, but there are tons of people with new ideas who have worked hard to succeed, and in succeeding, not only did they make money for themselves, they also changed the way we live in KTM.

Kalopani also blames bank interest rate. Two years ago, banks were running to find people with ideas and interest rate was low. If interest rate is high today, then it must be because there are a lot of lucrative sectors. This is simple 'demand and supply' thing.

And try getting cheap loans in US now. It is not like before financial crisis.

A few Nepali in the town I am living now wanted to start a restaurant. I was shocked to find the kind of redtape they had to go through. They had to shell out almost 80,000 dollars to fulfill city regulations. I asked the city govt councilman why so many rules were there for small business. They were supposed to be business-friendly to small wannabe businessmen. There were so many regulations it took the guys almost 7 month to open a restaurant.

At the end of the day, if your goal is to find fault, sure you will find such faults everywhere. People can bitch all the way to their grave. I have seen people with negative attitude,who always complain how others came in the way of their progress, and I am sure those people will be complaining in front of god too.:)
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Every time I go home, I find some old people crying out for their son. One example is particularly striking. The father had actually studied in the states in 70s and went back to teach in TU. He had three houses in KTM, netting about 70,000 Rupees in rent (not very big houses). Their only son was a postdoc here (with STEM degree) in a midwest state. When he came, he was very unhappy with the life of his son. The daughter--in-law was working in a convenient store. Forty years ago, he was studying in the coastal region, with much better life. He asked his son to go to Nepal, but his son refused. He suspected his son was ashamed at his position and was afraid he wouldn't succeed in Nepal and was therefore seeking refuge in middle of nowhere midwest state. He didn't say anything to his son, not to hurt his feeling, but he was very disappointed at his son. He had really stopped going around to raise rent in his house (where mostly students from outside districts live). In Nepal, you can find a lot of fathers in such situation.

Dolphin, you still haven't told me about the employers who offer 1 Lakh/ month with a MBA Degree. http://sajha.com/sajha/chat/smileys/m-wacko.gif

people like newstudets make me sad. Everythng they say are hard facts and truth coming down from the sky and everything others say are general assumptions.and we have to live with that if we want harmony or else should hide out tails be in some corner lets's see some of the assumptions made in this thread:

"GC is taken for granted--because as far as I see, almost every Nepali around me have by now applied and received their greencard. Let's face it, lawyers who visit Sajha do so to make people greencard. I know graduate students have worked as legal councillor and made tons of money on these green card scam here. Furthermore, almost everyone except decent Nepali student working his ass off in a college town middle of nowhere seem to have greencard."

oh ya? i asked you where you lived because where i live i still see lots of illegal Nepalis working in restaurants and students hoping to land jobs who can sponsor them. Arent's you generalizing here saying that almost all Nepalis have received green cards by fake asylum because you happen to be around with those people. I live in a metro city and i still see lots of students without papers working for dhotis as slaves.

" I knew this guy, Ichha Raj Tamang, came from remote district, and started a housing business and is now a billionaire. The owner of Bhatbhateni mall, Min Bahadur Gurung, too came from remote district and became almost billionaire. It is not easy to succeed in Nepal, I agree, but there are tons of people with new ideas who have worked hard to succeed, and in succeeding, not only did they make money for themselves, they also changed the way we live in KTM."

There is no point of saying i know this guy and i know that guy. we are talking about US graduates with degrees going to Nepal in 2011 in general.some of us may be exceptionally talented and or lucky and can even make it in North korea but most of us if we do not have family ties with influentials and enough capital our dreams are to die in Nepal.  The Bhatbhateni guy was there 25 year ago to start his business and i don't know the other guy you told me about. I do know my cousion who started a really big business and now he is losing his 3 houses and land in Katmandu with banks. i also know other 10 -15 people who havie lost their everything trying to be an "elite" of kathmandu. Just because it has worked with some of your friends and MR. Tamang does not mean it will work out for everyone who returns from the US to succeed in Nepal. We personally don't know what kind of background, circumstances, support they had to r succeed. and again we can't generalize for everyone basing on one or two of your friends.
so stop assss uming yourself first. 
 
we all are talking general things here. all i can do like others is to talk something out of my personal experence and from the experence of the people who i know. When i said 6 ropanis land and like 10 carore in capital to start a business that means you need to have around that kind of capital to get loans or t0 invest into a mid -sized business if you want to buy a decent car and have a decent house as you are used to of by living in the USA. of course, you can always open a little grocery pasal or a small restaurant for less capital if thats what you mean by becoming a successful businessman. or like agni ji said, you can always do yoga and meditation to be happy.

 

Let me share you some of the news I have. A friend of mine, who recently went back to Nepal felt much lonely and abandoned than in USA. Here, you still have your friends to talk over the phone using unlimited weekend and night calls; you get social "nepal-like" environment when Nepalese get together. But in Nepal, there is only competition and jealousy, unnecessary show-off, exaggeration of achievements, and unverifiable claims, which all make you sick pretty soon. My friend met a old-time friend (Mr. A), who started bragging about owning 17 houses in KTM as soon as they started talking. Just 5 years ago, Mr. A used to live in a mid-sized DERA close to ringroad. Another friend (Mr. B) asked first "how much his friends in USA earns?" than any other questions and told him that Mr. B owns a +2 college, a house worth of 2 karod, car worth of nearly 1 karod and shared-investment in many other institutions. Mr. B was unable to get Rs. 2000 loan in the college days. Mr. C described him of using helicopter to visit the working sites, kept receiving calls in his mobile interrupting the talk frequently, and those calls were not business-related either. Mr. D took him to a restaurent and spent Rs 5000.00 ($70.00) easily for light refreshment whereas he still feels spending $25.00 in a lunch for two people is luxury in USA. Mr. E, F, G did not returned a call he placed. He could find very few people he knew in the town, and felt much more uncomfortable than he ever imagined. In Temples, people easily throw Rs 100.00 bills to the priests. Ohh, what a change? How the money is so cheap? How they make so much money? Are they all doing legitimate business? Is there a system to track the transactions? Or people are just grabbing money dropping off from the sky?

I recommended a labor-supervisor to a new job some 10-years ago, who was suffering mental-torture (leading to jobloss) from a company I worked earlier. This guy found me through social network after a long time. I was surprised from his current status. He has recruited several of my friends in his company. He owns a construction company, invested in several schools, and holds land more than 20 ropanies in KTM. OMG, what a change? He told me "Sir, You have changed my life, thank you. I will help you if you ever need me." I am happy for him.

I met a Nepalese struggling very hard to survive in a foreign land. I encouraged him to go back Nepal, and he did. After 6 years, we are reconnected through Social network. He worked for UN agency in Nepal, and his facebook is full of the photographs showing his fortunes. He told me "Dai, thank you for suggesting me going back to Nepal, and providing moral support when I was in hard time. I am glad I followed your suggestion."

The above cases tell both optimistic and pessimistic aspect of going back to Nepal. In chautari, a friend writes:
मुग्लान पसेको नि धेरै भइसकेछ - आफु लाई त हावाइजहाज मा जान बडा डर लागेर आउछ
त्यसैले मैले के सोचे भने जब नेपाल सम्म यहाँ बाट बस जान्छ - हामी तब जान्छ -
This might be the case for majority.

kalopani,

Now you are slowly getting personal.

I didn't say all students have greencard. Though some have. I would give you the place where I live, but it is sajha. Why bother giving up my privacy just to win an argument? Anyway, I live in a very popular tourist destination in the west coast. If you don't know, the conversion rate for asylym application (which eventually lead to greencard, I have heard) is (or at least was until a few months ago) almost 100%.  Several students too took up this opportunity. I knew a few kids who were here, applied for asylym, and then moved elsewhere.

It takes years to make money like Tamang or Gurung. Btw, Tamang was also a returnee from foreign country. In America too, it takes years to make a decent amount of money. Lots of people in US too has no saving. Economic crisis last year has sent people back to work in their retirement age. If you are expecting to make karods in your first year doing business, then you better have a great idea.

To sum it up, starting a business, making it run successfully is a very arduous task. It takes talent, luck and what not. To those who want a lazy life, working their ass off to their retirement, who want to run away from their country because the country is not as good as USA, they will find excuses to run away and for them, america is a pleasing option. If you think you are bright, you can transform a society back home whether by introducing a new product, or by creating jobs, being a Nepali Nepal is the right place for you.

Without mincing my words, what I absolutely don't like is people coming here making bogus claim that it requires 6 ropanis of land to start a business and somehow access to credit is really easy in the states or barrier to entry for business is nonexistent in the states[I bet those who say starting a business is easy here hasn't done so. How hard it is to start a mill, a restaurant or a coffee shop in Nepal and how many permission do you require to do so in the states?]. US credit scenario has changed in the last few years. Nor is it an absolutely business friendly place. The regulations (like the one I mentioned above) are increasingly insane. But what you should note is that if you are poor, it is not easy to get credit or do things anywhere in the world. If you don't have talent to succeed in business world, if you don't have enough network, if you don't have charming personality, it is tough everywhere.

I don't want to spend too much time in Sajha, so here are my last words. We all must work hard. But just bitching about Nepal is not gonna help us. If people like Mahabir Pun or Sanduk Ruit had listened to you guys and stayed in the first world, it wouldn't have made Nepal any better off. More educated people in Nepal can't be a bad thing, and in fact, that's the only way to take our country forward. baaki, yedi kohi england, australia or us ma basna chahanchhan bhane uniharuko marjee, kasale ke bhanna sakchha ra.
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Chana,

I think it is okey to ask a states-living Nepali how much he earn in the states, after all that is why he went to the states. I think those in Nepal, making it big there, running good firms and hiring people, do have right to ridicule the people who go to the states by claiming they never belonged to Nepal. In particular, I have hard time forgiving a group of people who come to the states and don't go back: those who worked for govt and came here for training and never went back,  the J1 visa people , those who studied in sarkari schools/engineering college/medical college and never ever thought of paying back etc.

New student writes "In particular, I have hard time forgiving a group of people who come to the states and don't go back:"

Many people have the exact thought (including mine) but the other side of story is that those who returned have no satisfaction either. I am from the family of US returnee. You won't probably believe that my family does not have "maid", "bike", "car", "cable-connection", "flat screen tv", "gated bengallow", "high speed internet". Don't underestimate, my family is not lazy, nor dumb. My family still holds top-tier position in Nepal, but do not earn a penny other than sukkhaa government talab. Did not want to join NGO/INGO leaving public service. Still continuing to go to office regularly in public transportation and is determined to serve the same way until the retirement. We refused to follow politicians for opportunity, and to follow unethical businesses. We refused to make unfulfilling claims, and fooling people around. So, we are the example of honest and laborous people in Nepal, failure in eyes of many people who are after money only.

 Chana,

I thought I wrote my last comment on this thread, but I wanted to add one rejoinder in your story.

I have met several US returnees who saved our government tons of money because they were honest bureaucrat. Eventhough several bureaucrats havne't made money for themselves, they have saved govt a lot of money. One particular example is a guy who went back with Vanderbilt PhD in economics and worked in Rashtra Bank. He saved Nepal govt billions of Rupees during an infamous "Arab Kanda". Other bureaucrats--there are many--,too, have resisted order of corrupt politicians to save money for our govt. Of course, there are a lot of other bad apples.

I am not surprised by the fact that your family doesn't have maid to work or some other strappings of wealth to show off. Working in govt service doesn't promise you any such thing anyway. (working in military would have made that possible for high ranking officers). To make money, one has to be businessman or inherit wealth or be corrupt or buy lottery.

I am relatively well steeped in american life. I have several American friends, and the story is more or less same here. If you want to make tons of money, you should be a businessman here. A salary of 90K per year will normally mean you take only 50K per year. Kid's education , and dinners often take away. What is left has to be set aside for health. A friend of mine had a sister who went to Duke, but once their father had a cancer, she had to come back to a state school, because his savings were eaten away by his disease. A long illness is the worst thing here.

Life is tough anyway. We tend to create a safety network, a social sorrounding around you that comes to rescue when  you need help, to cope with really  harsh situation. I think our country has a lot of potential and something is not clicking right at the moment. I don't want every Nepali to head home, but those who promised to head home after their education should go, and those who actually have talent to do some innovative business should also go. If there are people around us who can use garbage of KTM to make something beautiful, or who can create nice product using our country's raw materials should also go. those  who are not bright enough to make some integrated product, but only know what to do (araeko garne),  they probably won't have much better life in nepal either.This is different from saying, as some here did, that you should go only if you are not good enough to land a job here. I think that is the most stupid thing to say.

Hope you guys enjoy your conversation here on.

 Someone Said.

A discussion has always three sides.

1. My Side
2. Your Side
3. The Right Side (Me and You).

But i didn't expect that this thread would go so long. Anyway its good to see people who want to go back.

"मुग्लान पसेको नि धेरै भइसकेछ - आफु लाई त हावाइजहाज मा जान बडा डर लागेर आउछ
त्यसैले मैले के सोचे भने जब नेपाल सम्म यहाँ बाट बस जान्छ - हामी तब जान्छ - 

This is exactly the situation of most people.

They want to be in safe side.

this thread bring out the suffocation of nepalese that are trapped in between east and west. its a dilemma that almost all the nepalese face in the US. if people return to nepal before they get married or have a child, then they will not have a whole lot of stuff to think about compared to a single person.

this thread has been very interesting with all the pros and cons. thanks to the originator and thanks to all the contributors that took some time out and expressed their views. this thread provides a very meaningful insight into all of our lives.

 I don't care whatsoever I  hear through all these conversations! I have my dignity and destiny and that is Nepal. We all keep saying the same shit that Nepal doesn't have good government, no electricity, no laws no nothing and so on. But what I say is lets go do it then. If not you then who and if not now then when!!!! Who said that Nepal doesn't have a resource or whatever to be a successful person. I have seen so many and I mean tons of  people who did great in their lives after leaving the States..I have a good site regarding this..
www.whynepal.com , www.e4nepal.com...just check it out...Anyways I am going back in December. Wish me luck and good luck to ya all the sajhaites.....