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Posted on 09-09-07 3:00 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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aba k bhannne yesta buda lai
bhir bata khasna khojni gorulai ram-ram bhan na sakincha kad thapna sakinnna
ki kaso hau

ational reconciliation policy still relevant: KP Bhattarai



Kantipur Report


KATHMANDU, Sept 9 - Nepali Congress (NC) founding leader and former Prime Minister Krishna Prasad Bhattarai Sunday claimed that the National Reconciliation Policy of BP Koirala is still relevant.
In a press statement today, Bhattarai opined that the increasing distance between the king and political parties would only weaken nationality, independence and democratic practices.

Stating that the national recondition policy would be still relevant in coming days, the octogenarian leader has also asked the NC not to erase its own history.

Bhattarai’s comments have come after the party’s central working committee adopted a proposal for a federal democratic republic last week.

Stating that the institution of monarchy has unifying role for religious, cultural, ethnic and political groups, Bhattarai also made a point that the prevailing transitional period in the country would come to an end only through unity and reconciliation.

He added that a feeling of vengeance would only further divide the nation.

Nepal’s first elected prime minister and NC founding member, BP Koirala had propounded the policy of national reconciliation in 1976 when he returned from self-imposed exile in India.

Bhattarai, who is placed second in the party hierarchy, has been living a politically secluded life in his Bhainsepati residence. He has not attended the interim parliament since April uprising last year insisting that the two factions of NC must unite before that.
 
Posted on 09-10-07 10:03 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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what's left then? let's forget the fact that US or India has a democracy...now think...please do! will you be able to? let me know...don't come up with weird assumption please

I seriously don't undesrtand your statement. Nothing wrong with your writing.. its just that, at times, I have a hard time understanding some stuff in English.

Weird assumptions.. Well, all assumptions are weird until proven or refuted.
 
Posted on 09-10-07 10:16 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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You guys are missing the whole point.

No SYSTEM IS BAD!! ..PANCHAYAT COULD HAVE REFORMED AND "TRANSITION - into multiparty system.TRANSITION Is favorite word of some people out here

PEOPLE ARE BAD.

TAKE THESE LEADERS TO PANCHAYAT THEY WILL BE BAD, TAKE THEM TO DEMOCRACY THEY WILL BE BAD, TAKE THEM TO NEW NEPAL THEY WILL REMAIN BAD.

WHY DO THEY WANT TO GET RID OF KING?
CAUSE THEY WANT THE FULL SHARE OF CAKE, WILL THAT BE DISTRIBUTED TO MOST RAPED WORD_ "JANTA" hahaha. AS LONG AS LEADERS PRACHANDA IS IN POWER - JANTA WINS ELSE JANTA FAILS.NEW NEPAL CANNOT BE MADE IF JANTA DOESN"T WIN

 
Posted on 09-10-07 10:17 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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For your info CAPTAIN HADDOCK..people like you come speak proverb from india. Can't you come up with some nepali? You think it would have been worse than this what we are going through, you should just see the result how the country is in chaos right now. You think its gonna get better...yeah..we all hope so, but it would be nice we stop kissing A$$ like you of those indians. Angreh re blah blah blah....You must be one of those who is benifiting from whatever is happening in our country. And yeah..for your info, no one says we should have panchayat, we just said that it was better at that time as there were few killings and bombing the place. And yeah..whats up with that come to the country thing..is it that you upset jsut coz you are stuck there.....
 
Posted on 09-10-07 10:25 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Hey let's refrain from personal accusations. That's not the way to debate/discuss.
We all have our rights to express our views, so let's exercise that right in an acceptable manner. Let's learn from each other.
 
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Hey let's refrain from personal accusations. That's not the way to debate/discuss.
We all have our rights to express our views, so let's exercise that right in an acceptable manner. Let's learn from each other.
 
Posted on 09-10-07 10:39 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Isolated Freak -

I have not know you to be one to take personal shots at others so I am surprised to see you do that in your last post.

"Its always easy to preach democracy and democratic ideals from faraway in DC, NYC and Boston, but once you are in Nepal and constantly dealing with the problems created by democracy, you get quite disillusioned with the whole system. "

How about it is easy to reminisce about the Panchayat from China or Japan or South Korea but to actually have the balls to take that conviction to the streets of Nepal and try and convince others on the ground? I dare anyone to do that before they accuse others of preaching. The Congressis, UML and Maoists faced the bullets of the Panchayat and risked their lives to speak up and mobilize - why can't the Panchayat admirers/supporters do the same? Too scared?

"Whether the Panchayati peace was superficial or real does not matter. What matters is: we were pretty stable and a functioning state. And that's enough to romanticize that period"

Au contraire, I'd argue it does matter. The factors that supposedly held that "peace" - the suppression of dissent, the concentration of power into extra-constitutional bodies and the lack of accountability that it created, the imposition of Khas language and culture, the oppression of religious minorities like Christians and to a lesser extent Muslims, the concentration of development on Kathmandu - all of which gave that sense of "peace" to some - is what triggered the tinder box - the flames of which still are burning. Of course the parties and their mis governance added more fuel to the fire but I find it preposterous to argue that somehow the Panchayati peace was sustainable for any period beyond which it lasted.

As for romaticizing, be my guest. I have no problems with that. From the sounds of it, there isn't much more Monarchists can do at this time it seems.

Also, as someone alluded to before, the Panchayat was good, oh sure, if you were a part of the predominantly Rana/Shah/Thakuri ruling elite, and a sub-elite comprising of mostly valley based Chettri families along with a sprinkling of other valley based Brahmins and Newars and some other ethnicities who had access to the Palace or the power brokers of the day. It's no surprise that the revolution of 2046 was driven by those district and terai elites who the Panchayat was so indifferent towards. Likewise the Maoist movement, or at least the initial stages of it, were driven by the village level elites that the new rulers ignored at their own peril. Power has shifted along class lines and I see this clearly as the result of too much concentration of power in the hands of the Palace and those around it during those "peaceful" days of the Panchayat. Sadly in each case, the new rulers, have been stingy about devolving power out to others - and that's shameful and deplorable.

There is still too much power concentrated in the hands of party elites for any kind of stability to come - hence federalism and elections to a new system, and not more concentration of power in a resurgent monarchical system, might be our best bet. But that's a whole other debate.
 
Posted on 09-10-07 10:40 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Gahugoro Bro,

I agree there is no subsititution to democracy and i have always favored democracy.I wouldn't revert back to PANCHAYAT as i said people were Bad there as well and As Captain Said people were in denial.But If people were good panchayat would have been good as well.Wasn't there a federal structure, we had decentralization policy .How much did it work?If the more corrupt if not less people are going to practice federalism based on ethnicity , How can we fix it ?what is the gurantee?


What is don't understand in this NEPAL :
who is Janta ?Is Gyanendra a Janta?IS KP bhattrai a janta?or only who maoist thinks janta are Janta?ie who believes in maoist.They don't consider UML followers janta, they don't consider Monarchy followers Janta.

we are mislead in the defination of democracy by Maoist.
will CA solve anything. WILL CA SOLVES EVEN 10% of the existing problem.MY answer would be it will create 20% more problem.I am not against CA.Have CA .Please go ahead .If THIS WHOLE WAR WAS ABOUT CA ..then have CA ..lets have peace.But unfortunately i don't see peace in horizon unless JANTA WINS -OUR MAOIST JANTA NEEDS TO WIN ..and other needs to keep quite.

DEMOCRACY OF PANCHAYAT IS MUCH BETTER THAN DEMOCRACY OF MAOIST!!!IF WE CALL THAT A DEMOCRACY!
 
Posted on 09-10-07 10:41 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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nepaliheart - Yeah, I am one of those Indian expansionist, american imperialists etc ... I am paid to speak my mind. Happy?

Thanks IF for speaking up there :)
 
Posted on 09-10-07 10:44 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Haddock,

Kick some ass boy. I know you can do that.



My sincerely apology to Mr. Haddock for that freaking typo, which in fact I corrected now
Last edited: 10-Sep-07 10:51 PM

 
Posted on 09-10-07 10:44 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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BTW, compared to Nepali Heart, your shot seems much less personal- I'll give you that, IF :)
 
Posted on 09-10-07 10:45 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Captain wrong statement.

I thought accusation was coming from extreme right rather than your extreme left favorite fear
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Posted on 09-10-07 10:54 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Captain,

Well my apologies, I admit my choice of words was not wise. And I'll try my best to find the words that aren't quite as offensive and demeaning.

But what I meant to say was: its always easy to talk about high ideals and perfect society, but quite hard to sacrifice oneself for the cause. And the East Asian societies be it Japan, Korea or Taiwan first emphasized economic development over politics.

" The Congressis, UML and Maoists faced the bullets of the Panchayat and risked their lives to speak up and mobilize - why can't the Panchayat admirers/supporters do the same? Too scared? "

Panchayat did offer some outlet to the UMLs and Congressis. There were "itar" weeklies where they could express their views. Ironically now there's no outlet to speak in favor of Panchayat..So our democracy is more autocratic than the Panchayat. If you do speak for the Panchayat then chances are you get killed. Panchayat allowed the congressis to have their conference.. now the YCL and others don't allow the RPP to hold its national convention!
 
Posted on 09-10-07 10:55 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Maverick -

I take that to be a light hearted statment - tell me if I misunderstood.

IMI -

Trust me, I get that all the time from all over - right and left. In the end there isn't much of a difference between the extremists on both sides - all play on fear and the willingness of people to give up rational thought when they are scared. Hence the non answer.
 
Posted on 09-10-07 10:57 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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So are we moving forward or backward? That's my question.
 
Posted on 09-10-07 11:00 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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IS:
Don't worry there will be no place to move front or back , when the time comes.All we have to do is watch with patience cause it is "LOOTE TRANSITION TIME"
 
Posted on 09-10-07 11:02 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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IF -

All's well then :) My apologies too for cranking up the temparature a bit there :)

Agreed, the RPP thing is a shame. It discredits democracy. There is nothing to fear about the RPP. That's one spent force IMHO (you and others can disagree). Even if it isn't, it can be challenged and I'd argue defeated electorally. The Maoists are bashing the Monarhcy as a pressure tactic against the Congress and UML and I feel this is what this is all about.

As always you remain my favorite critic of the system :)

Maverick - Phew! LOL ... you got the mercury jumping there for a moment ...he he :)
 
Posted on 09-10-07 11:07 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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BTW, I changed the line that was outright offensive. Again thanks for pointing it out, Captain. Love this edit feature.


Now to put an end to this never ending discussion, let me just say this: Differences exist and I learned a lot from you. Seems like we are more productive when we discuss other issues. K garne? Its not your fault and I don't think its my fault either. Its just our politics that's strange.

Have a good one.
 
Posted on 09-10-07 11:22 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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IF -

Your sincerity and modesty puts me to shame at times. If only the politicians - Kings and commoners alike - would show half the sensibility and generosity you displayed, perhaps we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

You have a good one too. I shall continue to look forward to hearing your ideas - any conversation with you is always a great pleasure.

Best wishes.

Good nite.
 
Posted on 09-10-07 11:58 PM     Reply [Subscribe]
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sajha ko yo thread ma dherai pani bagi sakechhha
dherai sabda haru koriye sakechan

lets see what pro-panchayati cadres have to tell for the things listed below
some milestones(obviously sarcastically)achieved during 30 yrs nirdaliye panchayati system
1.surunga hatya kanda
2.ban fanadi by surya bahadur thapa during 2036 referendum
3.murti taskari
4.bogus referendum 2036 n its result
5.mandaletantra(ya badartantra)
 
Posted on 09-11-07 1:57 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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Buda Kaam Chaina Jatha.....
 



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