Here is one of the ministers from Jana Morcha Nepal saying that our country does not need a military.

Jana Morcha Nepal (JMN) general secretary Navaraj Subedi on Saturday said that his party was in favour of bringing the strength of the army down to zero over time in keeping with the need to save the resources for other state priorities.
Subedi said that it was the opinion of the party that the resources, which are going towards the maintenance of the army should go to other priority area. He also said that the view has been passed over to the seven party alliance and the rebels.
"We are of the view that the strength of the army should be gradually brought down to zero. If the people of Costa Rica can take such a decision, why cannot we take it?" Subedi queried while speaking at a function in the capital.
He was of the view that Nepal should go for eventual disbandment of the army after signing non-aggression treaty with both India and China. Moreover he was also of the view that JMN has suggested that the nation should go for the concept of "civil defence force" rather than sticking to the army to defend the national borders.

You know I wonder if this Jack ass of a minister has seen our border areas where Indian gangs operate and harm Nepali citizen along with Indian military shrinking Nepal to 1/3 its size by next 30 years. But wait he talk about civilian defense force, now how many civilian defense forces would he put in border areas and guard the civilian. What if there is another uprising like Maoist who would protect civilians, our borders, and take care of the uprising. These ministers can not even tame the Maoists how can they figure out the defense of the country.

Lets me hear some opinion.

right now , whole nepal is talking in the tone of prachanda , a selfish bastard.
This guys knows two things:violence and divide..
divide divide divide.. never seen him talking about forgive and lets join hands for country's development.
Revenge and revenge is what he talks and nepalese vedas follow him.

Why do u keep talking about if someone big and strong beating nepal . I already answered that on my prev thread. This is not 18th century. Its very unlikely for any force to attack and occupy nepal. And even if they do then we dont have a way to resist. U think 100000 nepali force will stand china with 20 mil troops and nuclear weapon and india with 500000 troops with nuclear weapon? U must be crazy.

And how come u never talk about the internal enemy of our own nation. The enemy of poverty, illiterates, and healthcare that has crippled us from inside. Those things that led to the creation of thugs like maoists. U thing ppl wake up and just go join maoists. No ppl are forced to join maoists due to poverty, illiteratecy, and other social issue. Nepal needs to build a strong society first. And oncethose basics are met then may be we can afford to have 100k strong army again. Hell may be we can afford 500k army if we want. But rt now priorty should be other social issue not an army.

Sidster,
i do agree with you in that point.But certain army should always be in reserved for national disasters or any such causes.No that the world is different everynow and then .there comes some sort of rebels which police is insuffcient to handle.
Had we used army in 1997 to crush the maoist rebels we wouldn't have seen this day!!!
ok about point of transformation of some 40k army into civil lives there should be solid infrastructure to transform you cannot just lay off everyone .
US with ground invasion ..no i do not think us needs more army for that. USA has more than suffcient army right now to do so .it is another form of emolyement as well as to keep that patriotic feeling alive in young ones.
Do not say " yes" in whatever parchanda is saying .This guy is too clever and big manipulator.There is conspiracy which will be revealed in due time.
Do you have work everyday at work.i don't have loads of work everyday . why do employer keep you then???
because some days you have work someday you don't
Nepal army was active during the earthquake and natural disasters.They still gaurd the boundaries.When tibetians "khampa " came to nepal >they were active defending the borders.
We have already seen what happens to trained professional like police.what they do . they have already looting banks and stuff. Laying off 40 k-90k army. you are inviting big trouble.
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I didnt say laying off army. I said transfering the resources to other things that the country needs the most. Like teaching, training, skilled workers such as carpentry, iron work, construction and such. Foriegn empoyment. I was talking about transfering ppl not laying ppl off. And those lower level armies will be better off doing these things cos the pay in army is not that great anyways. It should be a gradual transformation. may be in 4 - 5 years we can transfer all the army to other jobs most of them to foriegn employment. Foriegn employment is great. It brings foriegn currency in and leaves job at home for the ones who can go abroad.

I am not supporting prachanda's views. If prachand happens to agree with my views, then i dont really care. Its just a view. Let me state this again. I want this to happen once the Maoist problem is taken care of in nepal. Taken care of as in, once CA is established, Once maoists are disarmed and once a complete maoists issue is resolved. I dont want the army to be reduced before the PLA is taken care of. I dont mind UN assistance in helping PLA and NA settle things out. So this is my view , im not here to facilitate maoists propoganda.

I want u all to know that it is fun to have 100k strong army around. Its an honor and army can definetaly used for search and rescue missions. NA has carried a huge pride thru centuries and there have been great fighters throught the history who sacrifieced their lives for they masters and for their nations. It is also a great pride for Nepali to have Army fo that size in nepal. But we cannot afford to have such luxary rt now. NA is like a gold chain in nepal's neck rt now. We need to sell the jewlery to stand back on our feet and we can go and buy the jewelry back once we get back on our feet again. The metaphore is we cannot walk around with a gold chain on our neck when living in a house without a roof and no food in our stomach.

I may agree to downsize a amry little bit but compelete no army is out of question.It is just like demolising our heritage .We need to keep our heritage.

One thing i stronly disagree is foreign employment.That is you are just not interested in developing nation.You want to be ok we have food to eat so it ok .Just like what is going on in philipines and i read a long story about that in NPR.if you do not want to give incentives of politicians to develop nepal than that is the best solution.Just send everyone for foreign employment.

Second thing, now we have already seen the culture of violence.Who ever picks up weapons wins.Don't be surprise that there will be many rebels groups coming in the politics of nepal i almost can gurantee you of that with the things how it is going now.So to defend the state it is extremely crucial presence of army.
I know how you are thinking from economical point of view but when you run state .not every thing is economics.
(you may think i am contradicting my statement on the economical upliftment, i am not)

some of the comments posted are awesome.sidster bro i really do support ur views but it doesnt mean that comments posted by others are worthless......imi bro u ve done a good job in this...........
.......my point is that as sidster said we shud outspread the workforce that is ideal within the barbed wires of barrack to other sector.let the army go dig well or facilitate some rural community with education and health care. everybody doesnt need to be a doctor to provide health care to people.most of the emergency paramedics in USA are not even doctors but they do the jobs to the finest. why dont we have army personals in paramedics....or how bout firemen.instead of buying millions worth of choppers and armour proof vehicles why dont we get rescue choppers or ffire trucks or ambulance ......or troppers patroling the highways..or how bout assigning them the job of protecting the beautiful habitat for the rare endangered wild life we have in nepal. instead of having ideal why dont we add them to the police force to ensure all the civilian lives are safeguarded.......these are the only few options that i could think of to cut the number of army...we r not taking about cutting the job but we can outsource the skills they have............does it have to be thousand engineers to build a road ?i dont think so.....a handful would be enought...........and i dont think our army is incapable of producing a handful of em ...provided the right opportunity......instead of buyin sophisticated M-16 rifles or AK47s we can train them the right skill.....we definitely need army in our country because there are a lot of things that army can do that a normal citizen cant do because they r trained so.....i only option would be downsize it ..............................
peace and jai nepal

some points i would like to correct,
IMI said,
i see conspiracy from the maoists side when they say we don't need army.It is not some royals army it is nepalese people army.
--> may be you forgot it was royal nepalese army a month ago. it did change the NAME to nepalese army ...

Ne23pe said,
My point exactly Imi. Chuparustam and sidster tell the army trained 90k people take some of them out and leave them without a job then what do you think these people are going to do for survival. They are going to be another group of thugs with military training.
--> I want you to think carefully regarding this point.
Just imagine that from tomorrow, 90k army men are told that they are not army anymore but they still will be receiving the salary they have been. So, they dont have to train anymore, just go around and enjoy their life. Do you think the government can not do that???? The money government has been alloting for the army is not there because army is earning some moeny on its own!! mind it. The government`s income wont change one rupee!!!!! Do you understand this?? Think once again.
(Army lai dindai ayeko salary batta ko rup ma diye pani k pharak parcha? Tyo paisa government ko ho. Army le government lai paisa kamayera dindaina. Imagine nepal ama ko das jana chora haru chan. army nepal ama ko pyaro chora ho. aru chora haru le kamayera lyako paisa army bhanne pyaro chora lai nepal ama le pocket money ko rup ma dincha. tyasko bapat army bhanne pyaro chora khelera din bitauncha!)

One more thing. If you think army is a good employement source then why not make the whole unemployed population of Nepal into army?? Would that solve the unemployment problem???? Not at all!!! Remind you one thing again "Army is not productive".

So, my idea is that, reduce the combat army to a number which is suitable for a small nation like Nepal.

What are the benifits?
1. The money alloted for the huge army, including the salary and ammunitions, can be moved for developmental projects.
2. The huge number of young blood serving in army can be utilised in more productive way. One of the options might be foreign employement as sidster suggested. Other options might be doing social works...

I do know that No.2 is not an easy task. Saying is easy but, as we dont want so see a poor and helpless Nepal for time and again, so we should have the courage to take big steps, n big decisions!

I will give you one example. In shankhamul bagmati, there was a bridge which was broken in course of time and a new bridge was being made with the aid of Japan after about 15yrs!!! Well, do you guys think we need some foreign help to make a simple bridge? You might say yes and give reasons like we dont have money, materials, technology. But I dont think that is the case.

If we tried to make the bridge with whathever materials and technology we have, its just fine. May be it will prove to be delicate and break away in no time. But in that case we can follow up, study why it broke? make some changes and make a new better one. Repeat it again and again. What will be the result? We will be independant. We will have materials and technology of our own. Then what we can make bridges all over nepal, or even export the technolgoy to other countries.. I think it is the basic rule of evolution.
What do you guys think about this?? Why dont we involve in making a better Nepal? Start from where we are !!

man this thread rocks .we need to have some more arguments on this topic.lets make it more fierce.................fuel it up guys................
peace

There is no argument left ..now you come up compromising reducing army then removing.I already said reducing is fine but removing it is not possible.everybody agrees on that so what is there left.90 k army is now few years ago it was only 50k.Army are always kept on reserve by state this is how is it works everywhere.If you guys say 90k army is destroying national budget then i am not going to agree abit.There are millions other loopholes where national money is trickling.why not patch those first.

Well, I am also not in favor of removing army. I do think we need certain number of combat army. But I am not in favor of a big army sitting in the barracks.

I just came up with this article of kantipur.
http://www.kantipuronline.com/kolnews.php?&nid=78815

this article talks about different things army can be utilised, and I totally agree with that. However, it does not give any figure like
1,how many armies are involved in the UN peace keeping missions,
2,what is the UN's demand??( if the UN can employ all 90k army of Nepal I dont have any headache with the current army!!),
3,also the number of army involved in singapore or brunei! (it evens says malaysia, but i doubt if there is any nepalese army in malaysia, if someone has a proof it would be helpful)
well, if the above numbers total to 90 thousand I have nothing to say about the army. instead i would say lets make it even bigger... may be it could be another sector after tourism which can develop Nepal.


going through this article I had a feeling what the writer wanted to say is that Nepal had a factory which used to produce low quality army men in 1991, but in 2002 it invested a lot of money to mordenise this factory so that the army men produced in this factory are of new model, with better capabilities, like a new computer with pentium V. And that we can import this new model to the world because this new model is uptodate in the context of the world standards.....