Basically Hindu from Nepal, and have been visited Lumbini, and witnessed the birth place and the palace of Lord Buddha, I take him as a great spiritual leader and most successful person. I have great respect for him, and all the followers who believe in him to make
their own life spiritual.

However every now and then, I come across one single question, why does Dalai Lama write and walks around saying, Buddha was born in India??? I have no answer.

To my understanding, Buddha was born out of a hindu king in Nepal in Lumbini, which was never in India even 2600 Years ago. But He got his enlightment in Bodh Gaya in India. If I am from Nepal and study in USA to get my degree, I shouldnt be considered an American, similiarly, Dalai Lama himself shouldnt be considered Indian.(I know he hasn't).

leader at that supremacy, doesnt suit to talk double faced talks which could hurt emotion and feelings of the people, and mislead those who prefer to live by
fact. Moreover, a monk, pereived as honest and of integrity here shouldn't forget the real mission of Buddhism, Tibet's autonomy has to be returned ultimately to Tibetans. But Is Dalai Lama a devoted Buddhist first or free tibet- Leader first?
Talking about Humanity, and voice to International community on the humanitarian ground, Why isn't Dalai Lama then interested to voice even for the Bhutanese refuge living for over 10 years, in 100 thousands of numbers, kicked-out by the Bhutan's cruelty?

Or the fact could be there is much for me yet to know. In either case may be your answer shall help me to enlight on this topic, Please answer me.

Thanks, Pritaz

Whether Buddha was born in Nepal or India, it's still debatale though the Western world seem to take it as India. My personal knowledge says Nepal too. I was deeply offended when I heard it for the first time in US.
When have DL said that?
The greatest philosoher, teacher, monks and the gurus of Buddhism all come from India, even some from present day Bangladesh, Afganistan. Who's from Nepal? Nobody, except our belief that Buddha was a Nepali, which is still not clear in the history.
So I don't think we need to dog Indians for that. Let it go, live the teachings of Buddha and not be so focus on politics around it.
If you have some acrelogical proof, please help the Nepal with that one big glory. Who knows you might have found something in your back yard.
The funny part...
Why would DL give a damn about Bhutan, when he doesn't have his own country and a refugee himself. Afterall he's just a human being like you and me.
So please bro, make some sense before you post something here. Why r u a critic of DL in the first place here. HAA. Is it beacuse there're lots of thread here about Bhauns? Trust me, it's none other than Bhuns themselves who post those.

It irks me to core when I hear that the Lord Buddha was born in India. But again, that is what it?s written in so many places and in many others, they rightfully mention Nepal as His birthplace. Then again, how can we correct the so-called intellectuals who write such things? May be one step at a time? Anywhere we see such mistake, we write to the authors? And see what kind of explanation they can give.

As for His Holiness the Dalai Lama saying that, I haven?t heard it. But then again, I am not saying you, Pritaz, are making this up. He may have said it and we should bring this up to his or his offices? attention. There?s got to be some kind of explanation.

More importantly, as a devout follower of the Lord Buddha, and one of the most prominent leaders in Buddhism, His Holiness has been barred many times by various administrations of Nepal at different times from visiting the ?birthplace? of Lord Buddha, Lumbini, and Nepal in general. Of course, we all know it is due to the pressure that our government(s) gets from the Chinese Communist Regime. So, why don?t we voice our concern to our government to not give in to every little pressure they get from China and for God?s sake allow His Holiness the Dalai Lama to visit our beautiful country where Buddha was born.

On Wednesday, July 6th, His Holiness the Dalai Lama will be turning the age of 70. In various locales in the United States and elsewhere, his birthday will be celebrated on July 2nd and 3rd. See if you guys can join the festivities and celebration. Nice place to check it out for information ? phayul.com.

And one last thing, Pritaz, His Holiness has always spoken for the down-troddens of this entire world. When he speaks for Tibet?s independence, he is speaking on behalf of the 6 million human beings that are Tibetans who are brutally suppressed by the Chinese. Along with speaking for the Tibetans, he always speaks for all that are voiceless. When he prays, he doesn?t just pray for himself or his fellow Tibetans, he does for all ?sentient beings?.

Now, to speak specifically for the Nepali refugees from Bhutan ? I?m sure he?d speak for them if opportunity arose. He may have done so already ? but again, we can?t just nit pick a leader such as him to speak out the concerns of only you and I?

The Dalai Lama is SPIRITUAL AND TEMPORAL LEADER OF TIBET, which entails him to both practice Buddhism and govern the country of Tibet (of course, if it was free). But, if he had to choose, he?d said this many times that he?d rather be just a Buddhist monk, a ?simple monk? at that. But doing so at this critical juncture that the country of Tibet is in, wouldn?t you feel that he?d be abandoning his own people?

Dalai Lama ? double faced??? Absolutely NOT. I?d say he?s someone with multiple obstacles but always trying to teach others how to live a happy life.

Nonetheless, would you at least join me in wishing this ?simple monk? whom Time Magazine once dubbed ?the Living Buddha?, a happy 70th Birthday?

Hello Vhoote Bro,

First of all I am not a Bhaun, and I still have equal and great respect to all from all race and religion. So please do not politicise the issue with race, or nation, I am just talking about facts.
I am sure it should matter what world seems to think or what you or me think as sense or nonsense, ignoring fact doesnt change the fact. The limitation of people's knowledge in any subject matter can often be non-sense, Like I was surprised to see that you do not see any Buddhisht leaders from Nepal, whatever u call it, present day or past.

Study and post response, which could be more sensible at first place, thanks

http://www.beliefnet.com/story/85/story_8536_1.html (All infos in one)

http://www.newslookmag.com/exclusives/buddha_birthplace.htm

Indians claming Buddha Born in India>>>

http://www.varnam.org/blog/archives/2004/05/buddha_born_in.html

Article to be praised- That actually Unites people.

http://www.timesoftibet.com/blogs/69/A-Simple-Monk-in-Nepal

To- SSny- Thanks for your positive response, I am not against DL, but as i have repeatedly said, I wish to live by fact. I would definitely like to Join to wish him, 70th Birthday, and have done so by e-mail as well.
It sounds greeat to pressure Nepal's govt to not to barr HH DL to visit such a spiritual place, for which he has devoted his life.
Thanks , Pritaz

P
What eaxctly is your point? What do you want? I can get you the address of DL office if you want, write anything you want. Not here.
It won't make any difference if we claim Buddha was born in Nepal. REmember, history is always written by the strong ones, and we're not compared to India. Looks like everybody in the West accept India as the birth place of Buddha. So what r u going to do?
Anyway, Nepal is an official Hindu kingdom. What difference will it make? Huh. Atleast India have not claim as Hindu nation, so might as well Buddha live there till then.
U can say, believe no matter what U want, it won't make any difference. And for your sake, yes of course Buddha was born in Lumbini. Happy Now!

Oh P!
I forgot...India also claim that Mt. Everest as theirs. Trust me on that, I saw it on a book. So please don't quote links from "The Internet". It's not worth. What r u going to do on that. Start another thread..............................here

History is not written by strong ones. Its written by facts. Facts comes out no matter what. As a matter of fact, it was only few yrs back, the birth place of Buddha as Lumbini was discovered. Thats why these issues might have risen.

Check this UNESCO link.

http://whc.unesco.org/en/list/666


There is no point on this stupid discussion. As Vhotee says India claims lotta things. But can we do anyting about it. Nothing, unless we are stong internally as a single Nepal and are united.

I support Free Tibet. But it seems free tibet will be only a slogan and will go nice on Tshirts and when some hollywood star wanna show some social work.

Peace out

People are all good. Do not look at the race. Do not let the stupid things come on the way which may lead to a good freindships and so on.

ANd ya one of fren (Indian) found its funny when he found a poster of Taj Mahal saying Taj Mahal, Nepal. Beleive or not, its not hard to write BS.

Pritaz0 bro,

Keep it up, atleast we can tell people that Buddha was born in Nepal not in INDIA. and Vhootee bro, India is stronger than Nepal that doesnt mean they will be able to modify the fact. I also heard that India is trying to build another Lumbini in Indian state of Bihar so they can proved that Buddha was born there.

VHOOTEE BRO, I WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU ONE QUESTION IF YOU DONT MIND TO ANSWER THEN PLEASE I WILL BE WAITING FOR YOUR RESPONSE.

What you will do if someone from your neighbour claims that your house belogns to him? whether u will give it to him or you will try to prove that " This house belongs to YOU", but dont give me the answer like I DONT HAVE ANY HOUSE so i dont have to give any answer. Bro dont take it otherwise just a question from curious mind only.

WHy should one give so much importance to Dalai Lama, i do not understand. I mean most of the Buddhist (except Tibetians) do not consider him the form of GOd and for i feel he is just a human. In fact if we read the history, he is responsible for Tibet's downfall. He was just like our King G who lived on the wealth of other people and who still does and talks as per his wishes.

I am sure he is talking that Buddha is born in India because he lives in India and that suits him fine. He would not want to think how much it impacts the other people by his statement. As long as he lives in India and enjoys the benefits of the country he will continue praising the country because otherwise his existance is in danger.

who says there are not good Buddhist leaders in Nepal. I am sure there are many but who do not live the kingsize life of Dalai Lama who is by no means simple and humble as far as facts shows, he is another man who politicizes religion ie buddhism with Tibet and live a good life for himself.

I read about a Shakya monk who taught in a Thai University about Buddhism and lead a very modest life by example and there are others too who have done a lot as monk for the country and i really respect them that to respect another fat political liar.

No doubt, Dalai Lama has two face. One of his face face to US and anothe to China.

Some thing is wrong with this guy Vhootee. His principle is if "strong" claims one should give all his belongings including....! He is writing all these nonsense.

I have been practising Buddhism and reading book of Dalai lama alot. I have never come across him saying Buddha was born in India. India always claim that Buddha was born in India which is not true. I have attended many teachings of Rimpoches and even in Tibetan scripts, it is never mentioned. I hope Pritaz is not mistaken or hope he did not get it from the wrong source.

Now Dalai Lama wont say anything about Bhutanese refugee. Because there are lots of Tibetans in Bhutan. He is smart enough to look at bigger picture before he makes any comments. In any case, Bhutan is focking mess created by no one other than our own leader Girja. So what the hell are you expecting? Just because we got the democracy does not mean we should incite those poor bhutanese of nepali origin to follow us. Look at what we got. So before we blame others, we have to learn to dig our egos and mistakes.

It irks me when people talk of Nepal as a Hindu Kingdom rather than trying to include everyone, but uses Buddhism and Lumbini as a begging bowl. I wonder who is heading Lumbini Development Fund? Has gov't done anything other than declare Lumbini as a Developemtn Zone? No. they have not done anything. Deep down they know they have to stop Buddhism at any cost. That's why nothing has happened there other than private investments to develop Lumbini.

THAT IS EXACTLY WHY INDIA PROMOTES AND TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THAT and all we can do is biatch about it. If you want the world to believe Buddha was born in Nepal, then promote it. Fact is there. But deep down they are afraid to do it.

Dalai Lama is a World Stateman. We cannot even began to think of his devotion for the world. We can't since all we got No. 2 leaders like Girja, Makune, Bam Dev, etc. So before we talk about others, lets talk about ouwn own. Lets not act like "Afno Ghati ma Vaisi dekhdeine, arko ko ghati me kamila dekhcha."

This is not worth discussing. lets jsut end this topic here.

Seusi Dai
Ur name says it all. U think with your dick. What has my house got to do with this? Don't use irrational logic and Uukhaan.

Manab
I'm not talking about everyday chanting monks, they're everywhere. U need to know a little bit of history before u say something. I'm talking about famous Buddhist monks who've changed the history of Tibetan Buddhims like Melarepa, Karmapa.

To all others
I'm not here to piss u off or anything. It's all beacuse of the image of our country in terms of global power. If Nepal was open to DL during those period when we were dependent on India, we could have changed our history althoough it would piss off the Chinese. We could have overturned the statement "Buddha was born in India" with the help of DL and his people. Remember he's like the POPE of Christains. But no...we were too scary ass and our government never cared. We were never dependent on Chinese at the time. But now even if you want, it's too late cause Nepal is flooded with Chinese goods. And we can never allow DL to step into our land now. What do say about that? So I think it's perfectly fine for DL to say that, even if ever said that. We missed our chance. I was taught in the college here in the US that Buddha was infact born in India. Beleive it or not the scholar, Robert Thurman who's regarded very well in the Tibetan community, says the same thing.
I want to believe that Buddha was born in Nepal like you, but again ....Watch Out...History IS BEING written by the powerful...tell me what can U do?

Vhotee,

Do u think Nepal got other choice. Ya Dalai Lama is a spiritual leader. But can Nepal take on China for Dalai Lama. As China swept out Tibet, they would have swept out Nepal. No body would have given a damn. It just would have been a good looking slogans on the Tshirsts of white boys saying Free Nepal as free Tibet.

High
Exactly, then what right do we as Nepali have to say that "DL is double faced"? He can say what he wants, side the nation that help him and his people. If DL's saying that Buddha was born in India is treated as the basis for Westerns to believe that, then I think there's nothing wrong. I'm waiting for that brave Nepali to go against it and prove the world that in fact it's not true. R U ready to do that? And esp that our country never gave him any support and is still not allowed to step in Nepal, what about trying to bring peace now and allow him to step inside Nepal.
And this chap who started this thread is either stupid, racist or have some real issues with life.That's the typical Nepali attitude,,,, Baadar ley na aafnu ghar banaucha, na arulai ghar banaua dincha.
On that note,,,let's close this for good.

Vhoote,
Had enough of your retarted thoughts.
I was being nice to you, but u seem worst than a badar, with your utmost stupidy of insanity. Learn decency to post your thread first.
Its not enough reason for person looked as a supreme Buddhish leader to retaliate against Nepal just becoz Nepal wasn't in position to support them at then, Mind it, Nepal has in all ways supported their asylum and to let them live in Nepal, Just open up yopur mind before you open your eyes. And yeah, if somebody at that position talks that, theres no harm calling Double faced. Which, I have - if you read carefully and again- you will find, I have put that as a question mark.
How dare you call another nepalese to prove to the world, something thats already proved by UNESCO, and other International Organizations, and accepted by Buddhist organization itself.
Once again I repeat, do not politicize the issue by naming it racism, in seeking safe heaven for your non-sense opinions. I love Tibetans, Bahuns, Chettri as equal as much as i Love all other race and religion. I can smell those dirty minded opinions of YOURSELF, instead of having smooth conversation. You dont seem to be a Nepali at first, so dont you be calling any "typical Nepali attitude". Listen to other people too, dont u be agressive sticking to your own- Understand !!!. We are not claiming, or writing history, we are discussing issues of facts. It can be done in nice fashion, or if it itches, can shut up. Option is yours, choose one.

Lastly a word of advice, dont you be smaheless enough to be rude, posting threads, and calling to close the thread by concluding with your opinions.

P
Decency?
Who said U had one in the first place? Why did U even start dogging DL, don't u have enough politicians in Nepal to worry about. Why not them? Look at yourself in the mirror and be honest before criticizing someone else. Aren't the people, the King and each and every politicians in Nepal a D faced?
If U had some deceny to realize that DL is a spiritual and religious leader for people like us, then you would not have posted this thread on the first place. But then you have the right to voice your opinion, so do I. Let's continue...

Retaliate against Nepal?
How do you know that? U seem to assume before knowing the facts.

Stupid?
I'm not the one who started out such stupid thread.

UNESCO?
Just because they said it or U posted some links doesn't change the fact bro. Academic in West teach the same thing. Buddha was born in India. Does it matter, yes. It matters whole lot. This is also a fact that you that seem to be content with readings from the Internet by some yahoo like everybody else. This is the only point was deabting with you. Your so called facts collide with mine. And if DL says it too, then he's not the one to be blamed.

Racist?
Who knows? U can claim not to be one or think you're not. It's all in the heart.

And as you said before, give me a proof that DL really said that. I'm not talking about a link on the internet. I want to hear DL himself say that.

As your wish, we'll keep this discussion open.

Vhootee looks more like a Tibetan than a Nepali. Anyway, no comment on Dalai Lama?s remark (I don't know for sure if he recognizes India as a birth place of G. Buddha, and i think he might not have an authority or may not have enough scientific understanding to claim about Buddha birth place). Archeologists are working on it and most of them has consensus that Buddha was born in Lumbini and the capital of then Lumbini/Kapilvestu is now happened to be in Nepal. I think it may not be much worthy to debate/claim about if G. Buddha was born in Nepal or in India. In fact he was not born in both of these countries! (they were inexistent by then). He was born in Lumbuni and was enlightened in Gaya. His birth place (Lumbuni) now happens to be in Nepal and the Gaya in India. That's it!

Nut