There were few intellectuals who were very vocal that maoist had contributed so much for Nepalese .They were stressing that Maoist created awareness and all.But what was ultimate contribution of Maoist to welfare of Nepal? They hadn't imagined this :more than dozen seperate armed outfit following the successful path led by maoist.
http://kantipuronline.com/kolnews.php?&nid=115538
I always said may be the objective was good but the path adopted was bad.In one of the thread "Terrorism" . One year ago , this debate was going on Whether to call these people terrorist or liberation army.Now , questions to these individual who supported Maoist cause like looote kukur and others .Don't you think JTTM sss ,Cobras and tigers a are freedom fighters?Do you equally have respect for these people newly mushroomed freedom fighters and why shouldn't we fulfill their demands and not divide your Nepal (which you love so much) cause you will still be reiterating that they are freedom fighters. Now , Nepal is in the verge of disintegration due to racial propaganda by maoist backfired . Do you still believe it was great contribution??
If you haven't had enough of Nepal and consequences of maoist freedom fight, There are more to come as i had predicted .wait and see.
Those who support maoism and communism are FOOLS. Maoists are those ruthless, inhuman,sick people who have killed thousands of innocents, and displaced hundreds and thousands of Nepalese. I cannot believe someone is saying "THANKS TO MAOIST THAT ALL NEPALESE WILL HAVE OPPORTUNITIES.............." What bulshit...
SAJHAkhoHERO, Dude you need to get a life! You seem to be significantly lacking in good education and knowledge. You cannot articulate any facts you just seem to rant your maoist slogans. Go back to school and get a good education. Just spitting here your idiotic thoughts is not helping you prove how great freaking maoist have been to Nepal.
Samsara, ImI and GP have already vindicated how wrong maoism is; so before posting anything further read them and comment on any flaws!
MAOISTs have brought the revolution without which we could never imagine the downfall of the old same old ruling elites of the country.Now finally we get to see the new faces. .. new ideas and 'NEW NEPAL'
Maoists have finally given the voices to those who finally felt and realised the BLACK spot in the nepalese society.
Only now can we dream of Real 'Inclusive Democracy'- that include not only men but women, that include not only' bahun' politicians(that means end of anti-bahunism) but people from all the community,in the admin not only those who are close to Darbar not all who deserve(that means end of 'chakarism') .This in large will automatically broaden Nepalese Mind...nepalese communities will eventually learn to live in harmony...equally share the responsilbilites as well as blames. As long as we work for good system....things like 'racism, chakarii, bribary, inequal representation, dominance of a particular grp(be it royalists, koiralists, or maoists) will automatically get washed out.
For that to happen Nepal needed a complete 'REVOLUTION'. And everyone knows without 'People's WAR' which happened to be started by Maoists -and not Congress , the contribution goes to Maoists the most. The downfall of the old system was impossible to imagine if the people war had not weaken the OLD Elites.
The people war did cause bit of a blod shed...but which revolution has been so successful without lil bit of Blood shed???
If we can accept Prithvi Narayan Shah who did more killings to expand the Nepal territories why not People War - which started with ALL THE VALID CAUSES.
Sajakohero, thank you very much for the links to the You Tube clips.
It gave me a chance to see the fight between Nepal Army vs Maoists. It used to be an imagination, but I got the first hand access to this raw unedited clip. The conclusion is certainly different on which side you stand, but a couple of clips are worth watching in order to feel how these people died in this "war". A picture speaks 1000 words.
They have absolutely no vision. They are even bigger tyrant than the king. These so called namarda YCL guys even entered padma kanya campus and beat the girls. The YCL gunda are threatning and beating people without any fear because they know they have blessing of maoist leaders in govenment. Thats why they are still defending the act of YCL.
PRANCHADE is now openly claiming he wants to be president of Nepal in 2 years. so the ulterior motives of these maoist leaders are very clear. All the killings and war for last 11 years for him was just to become president. They are the one who have recurited the minors in their army. And minors have not gone to maoist army by choice. Most of them were forced to join the maoist army.
They have Beheaded and killed the teacher right in front of student, they have burnt 4 year old girl, they have burnt the public bus and killed around 40 innocent life at chitwan, they have amputated numerous people just for thinking they are a spy. Nothing can justify their act.
Behold the time will come when pranchada and co. will be swept away by all the tears.
Sajahozero Also used to be Known as diliprai :P hahaha
Good Ramlakhan,
You are talking in right sense .Go On.I encourage you to keep writing. Ok now ,as you said: Maoists have finally given the voices to those who finally felt and realised the BLACK spot in the nepalese society.
So, now did that did gave birth to couple of new armed revolution?So, The maoist demand is justfied and others demands are not justified???????So We are maoist not a terrorist and they are terrorist??????????
Terai extremists are terrorists:
A senior leader of Maoists has said that the state needs to treat Terai extremists as terrorists. "The government should not hold dialogue with parties that want to split the country. They should be termed terrorists and strong action taken against them," said Chandra Prakash Gajurel aka Gaurav.
The strong remark by Maoist politburo member and chief of its international relations cell has come in the wake of appeal for dialogue with Terai groups made by Home Minister Krishna Prasad Sitaula.
"We are doubtful how the dialogue will be helpful in resolving the problem when many of Terai groups are openly claiming that they will now hold talks only to divide the country," Gajurel said.
Home Minister Sitaula had appealed to 'Madhesi Janadhikar Forum, factions of JTMM and other groups' to come for dialogue within two weeks following which, he warned, the government would be compelled to take strong actions in order to create proper environment for Constituent Assembly elections.
Around a dozen armed groups have sprung in Terai region in last couple of months. Some of them have also demanded a separate Terai state. nepalnews.com sd Jul 15 07
Home Minister Sitaula had appealed to 'Madhesi Janadhikar Forum, factions of JTMM and other groups' to come for dialogue within two weeks following which, he warned, the government would be compelled to take strong actions in order to create proper environment for Constituent Assembly elections.
Every body including Sitaula knows it is a bluff. The old saying: "Pani Tatai de natrabhane .....", the husband threatens his wife all the time, and the annoyed wife one day asked: " Natrabhane k garchou", and the lachar husband says: "Natrabhane Chisai pani le nuhaune chhu, aru ke garne".
Yesterday, Maoists were declared terrorists, and today they are in govt, tomorrow, what will this govt will do? It can not even put Prasai in Jail, and it can not put CDO office vandalizers in Jail, ..... what will this govt do? Strong action? Oops, Chiso Panile nuhaune ho tyo strong action bhaneko: hereko herai garchou .... timi j man lagchha tehi gara. Sitaula ji Maoist ko bui chadhe dherai din chaldaina. They will thrash you one day, not very far.
माओवादी निमुखाहरुको हितको लागी भन्दै चिच्याउदै हिडीरहन्छ तर साथीहरु हो वास्तवीकता त्यो भन्दा फरक छ भयावह कहालीलाग्दो छ । एकातिर राज्य माओवादी सेना पाल्नको लागी राज्य बजेट निकासा गर्छ अर्कोतिर माओवादी चन्दा असुली गरीरहन्छ । राजा ज्ञानेन्द्रेलाइ तानाशाही भन्छ तर आफै तानाशाही बनीरहन्छ । उसलाइ समर्थन नगर्ने जति सबै प्रतिगामी यो कस्तो राज्य हो । कानुन बनाउने ठाउमा आफै छ, तर वाइसियलनामी झुण्डको निर्माण गरेर आफै कानुनको रखवाला झै भौतिक र नैतिक कार्वाही गर्दै हिड्छ । स्थानीय निकायमा वितण्डा मच्चाएको छ । राज्यको ढुकुटी खुलेयाम हसुरेको हसुरै छ के यो राज्य र राज्यको ढुकुटी माओवादीको पुर्ख्यौली सम्पत्ति हो अरु पार्टीहरुको पेवा हो । राजनैतिक दलको सिफारीस विना दैवी प्रकोपमा परेकालाइ समेत उद्धार नहुने देशमा साथीहरु हो के कल्पना गर्ने अनि कुनै पार्टीको समर्थन विना पनि बाच्नै नपाउने हो त । हिजो सम्म को हिन्दु को मुस्लीम को तराइवासी को पहाडीया हामी सबै नेपाली थियौ तर आज हाम्रो आमाको शरीर भागलागेको छ । भाइचारा सकिएको छ । प्रश्न यो पनि छ हो राजा ज्ञानेन्द्रे तानशाही हो र उसको विरोध गरीनुपर्छ, यसो गर्दा हामी बाँच्न पाएका छो के माओवादीका प्रचण्ड र बाबुराम जीहरुको विरोध गरेर चाही यो देशमा बाँच्नै नपाउने उनीहरुको अमानवीय र घृणीत कामहरुको विरोध गर्नै नपाउने त त्यसैले लुट्न कुट्न, मार्न र शत्रु साधन गर्ने भाडो भएको छ यो, माओवादीले वाटो विराएको छ । जुन मोडमा उ आफु पुगेका छ र देशलाइ धकेलेको छ उ कहिल्यै फर्कन सक्ने छैन
it was obviously a big loss of human life ,loss of a lot of infrastructures,, a culture of voilence developed as someone above said,,, we lost a lot of frirends and relatives,, nation was under kinda homewar for a long time,, a dual administration system in majority of country's area,, u know dohoro maar ma pareka janata,,, i know how painful it is,, maoist movement was a tragedy to our nation regarding a lot of social and economical aspects like these. now why dont we think about the political change for a while .. whatever existed and was ruling us was the kingship and the corrupted parties who can never be forgiven,, where was the nation heading then? any clue? can u just imagine for a while the same old corrupt leaders grabbin the state power ,, fightin for PM,, and ,, corruption developing everywhere,, favouritism,, we all have already accepted that cud have never been a democratic pratice. and it was all of us shouting against the same leaders al the time .in addition to that kings intervention and his will to rule the country with army in power,,, for all of u who still support a monarch to rule ,, ive nothing to say,, coz what s true is monarchy strickly cant be a political practice in todays time. something like an individual regardless of his caliber ,potential ,, ruling the country simply because he was a succesor of someone like that? how do u expect all the first born child in some family to have gain the calibre to rule the country ?? thats what is about nepali monarchy,, r all of u crazy,, still supporting such a baseless idea and system... the next option we had was to sit and watch the shameless show the political parties were showing ,, do u think whatever they did was anything more than that? our political system was gone shameless ,, corrupted and individual centered ,,, it was again no way a democratic practice.. so it was us who needed a change in system ,, thats what maoists did,, they initiated it and are almost gettin done for the change in the political system and culture( i dont mean that change include social economical cultural change that we still need). alrite ,, is it again the same old corrupted fudeal system with powerful monarch u guys like or the newly born republican form of political system its ur choice ,, and it is obvious once were in the right system we can hit the road ,.,
again maoist revolution was never flawless ,, and a lot of disagrements still with em and the way theyre operating these days. but i t was only the maoists that drew out the fake and corrupted democratic practice with fudeal backgrounds and changed the system. it was a fight against the system that exited then. it was the ever big contribution maoists did that we need to realise.
"but i t was only the maoists that drew out the fake and corrupted democratic practice with fudeal backgrounds and changed the system. it was a fight against the system that exited then" हसायो , साहरै हसायो बैंक लुटेर, ब्यापारि ब्यबसयी सङ्ग जबर्जस्ति चन्दा उठाएर, न माने भौतिक कार्यबाहिको नाममा अमानबिय यातना दिएर, भ्रष्ट्र समाजबाट् मुक्ति दिलाएको रे। हाहाहह biggrin.gif> । १५ हजार मान्छे मारेको त बिर्सि दिनुस् एक् क्षणलाई। संसद पनि जाने त्यो पनि बिना चुनाव न लडी, सुबिधा नि लिने, मन्त्री नि खाने अनि सरकारलाई नै गाली गर्ने, यही हो नैतिकताको समाज। मान्छे हुनुको न्यूनत्तम गुण सिक्नुस पहिला, जंगलको राज र जंगली बुद्धिले मान्छेको समाज चल्दैन।
One of the top Maoist leader says terai fighters as terrorist. Hahaha .
-When maoist killed innocent Nepalese they were not terrorist. Now JTTM are killing maoist they become terrorist.
I want to ask maoist Why these group in terai should not fight?
- They should continue fighting and killing people for few more years and there is every possiblity that they may become ministers, get chunk of national budget, get 83 seats in cabinet without even knowing E of election. Kasto democracy aako cha.
Who ever uses guns, burns cars , beats people are heard by government. Whoever are in peaceful protest will never be heard. Nepal is ruled by Mobs and this is MOBOCRACY.
rahulvai,, glad to see u commenting on my lines that i dont think r so much funny that still made u laugh a lot. i have said in the above post i have a lots of digreements with them like u do regarding a lots of cases of minimum level of humanity in their way of practice. with the line,,,'"but i t was only the maoists that drew out the fake and corrupted democratic practice with fudeal backgrounds and changed the system. it was a fight against the system that exited then" may be i was not able make you clear or may be u didnt understand what i was saying.. once again my point is ,the greatest contribution maoists did was to change the political system that existed and which was of course grounded by fudealism . dont you think the 'constitutional monarchy and multiparty democracy '( that was in practice in our country for more than a decade ) had turned into a corrupted practice in the name of democracy and in addition timely intervention of king ,,,, that was the systesm then and it is all because of maoists that our nation is not at least on that state and more importantly on the stage to bear a new republican system... once again i wanna say i was not talking about the unhuman practice of maoists ,, but it is truth that the change in the political system the country is going through is only because of them... rahulvai, still u find it is funny may be me too need to smile a little at least...
Earthsucksdown जी, माओबादी को कारणले मात्र देशको सामन्ती ब्यब्स्थामा आमूल परिवर्तन भएको भन्ने अल्पज्ञान मा हासेको हुं। तर पछिल्लो तपाईको कमेण्टले धेरै हद सम्म हांसो म भएको छ तर अझै पनि धेरै कुरा बुझ्न बाकी छ जस्तो लाग्यो। १- जनआन्दोलन भाग २ माओबादिको नैतिक समर्थनमा सात दलको प्रजातन्त्र पुनर्स्थापनाको आन्दोलन थियो। २- माओबादि पनि २०४७ को संसदमा थिए, त्यति बेला चुनाव जितेरै आएका थिए, अहिले जस्तो फोकटमा आएका थिएनन्। त्यति बेला नै गणतन्त्रको आवाज अहिले जस्तै बुलन्द गर्न सक्थ्यो, सकेन, जनताको मन जिते जे पनि गर्न सकिन्थ्यो। जनताले पत्याएन र जंगल पसे। ३- राजाले बेला न कुबेला कू गरेकोमा भ्रष्ट्र रजनैतिक ब्यबस्थामात्र जिम्मेबार थियो त? जंगलमा बसेर गरेको ध्वंस र हिंसा कारक थिएन र? ४- अझै पनि हतियारको दम्भ सहित माओका सन्तानहरि शहर् गाउँ आतंकित बनाउदैछन्। यहि हो त प्रजातन्त्र माओ को? आफ्नो बिचारसङ असहमत हर कोइ को गला रेट्नु?
The greatest contribution of the Maoists is that they have effectively chopped down the ego and arrrogance of (former) Royal Nepal Army and the police.
rahulvai im glad that u at least gave some credit to them ,, as far as i understand the sense of ur first sentence. now id just like to share some of my personal viewpoints with ur 4 points above. 1. sir , do u remember by the time the final peoples movement 2 took place,, how many times the eight party coalition had announced ,,nirnayak aandolan,, im sure it was at least 3 times ,, it was some trails in ratnapark where party workers showed up and got themselves arrested in a pretty systematic manner as they already planned (though sometimes there were slight lathicharge) later it was maoists who came up with slogans of republican nepal and demise of the kingship that hit the roads of entire nepal,,(still the verses are clearly in my mind that i shouted) and it was then the king gave up. can u tell me where were the political leaders of eight parties then? (dont tell me they were on the streets)hidiing themselves in their houses (except few of em who boldly showed up) ,, i still remember ,, someone(must be ramchandra paudel or bhatatata) who said that "whatever maoists cudnt do for 10 yrs we did in 19 days" sir, i seriously wud have loved to shout " shut the... up "if i was in front of him. that made a lot of people laugh at him,,, afterall he is someone none other than one of the baristha neta of nepali political party who can come up with this kind of dumb ideas very fast. .. so was it agiain just moral support of maoists to reinstall democracy or their wholesome effort to eradicate kingship and lead a path to republican nepal??
2. sir, NCP (UML) was also the communist party in the government after 2047.their milestone was always a republican system as they said,, and they explained it like,, theyd get 2/3rd majority and with peoples support in street and themselves in govnmt theyd declare nepal republic or sth like that... did u got any hint of that in their practice in the last 13 yrs time?? when? maoists had known that was not gonna happen , they knew the only way was to revolt out the fake democratic system with king as a real supremo.. so, had maoists not started all these ,,circumstances would never have got developed accordingly,, and wed still be watching and cursing our same corrupted leaders ,, remember how much we have been cursing our political parties and leaders for such a long time so please do think about it,,
3. dont u think it was his will to rule ,,to greater extent ,,other than the reasons u mentioned ,,taking benefit of ungoing political unstability and will to be in full power .. i better think it that way.
4.of course i fully support u that they are still different in practice than their ideologies and individual murder is of course a big dissapointment of entire maoists movement. it may not sound relevent in this point still i just wanna say,, it is RNA who have shot a lot of more helpless people than maoists in course of war,, i have seen right in front of my eyes a couple of times. it is more different than the fake analysis people made sittin in a couch in their palace in KTM..
we have to accept the contribution they did ,, coz one cud be dumb to carry gun and fight ,, but there were thousands who held their breath in their hand and fought.. were all of them dumb ? of course there was a reason they fought for that they acheived thaqt had a lot of good and some bad consequences but the tragedy,, intellects around still dont accept it . still i agree the movement was not flawless as every subject has good and bad aspects. and cheer up it was all my thought
I would like to know what sort of democracy that people have now then during the kings rule.
Even in kings autrocratic rule , no renowned newspaper were closed. But now we saw one prestigeous newspaper being shut for days ue to atrocity by YCL.What about press freedom? Of course they press couldnot protest because maoist themselves are in communication ministry. After coming to government We have seen many inudstries being shut down due to maoist. How do you justify this autocracy.
Maoist have never been true to their 8 point agreement with 7 parties. They are the one who keeps waivering. They initially said they would agree with whatever decision the CA makes. Now they want the monarchy to be abolished before CA. Doesnot that show fear in their mind in the election.
Maoist boys intrude Padma kanya Campus and beat the girls. How would you explain this ? (and of course the maoist leader rather than condeming the act of YCL are still support ing them)
Despite coming to government they have not shown all their arms. How can you possilbly imagine a free and fair election when one party has arms.
Earthsucks down dont get to conclusion that king gave up power that maoist came in the people movement. Maoist are just an oppertunist. The king gave power because it was people who were against king. They just tried to make hay when the sun in shining. They tried to make best utilization of situation when they saw many people were coming to roads protesting against king.
no quiero regarding ur last para,, it would be better to say the political parties are opportunists rather than maoists,, the parties were on the street for the reinstallment of the same old govnment form ie const monrchy and multipartydemocracy but the poeple in the streett were demanding republican system and demise of kingship.. people were already ahead of the parties carrying the voice of maoists,,, it was a long time after that UML changed their slogans to the republican system and congress was the confused one for a long time,,, and we all donot have to hesitate to see the contribution maoists made for the peoples movement 2 that is clear enought to be seen
If you are here for relaying maoist agenda, then there is no point to argue and counter-argue. Independent analysis does never buy your opinion regarding the flow of huge mass during Janaandolan 2. The population coming down on the street are neither maoist cadres nor maoist supporters. If maoist are honest on themselve and truly believe they do have that a large public support, they would never be so afraid of forthcoming election. Just see, what prachanda said recently. Without having his goons to secure, he does not believe his party will get votes. Don't just try to put hollow arguement.
All independent analysts agree on the fact that the large public mass landed on the street were just because of Gynanendra, who promised a lot, but did nothing. People were fade up so quickly with him and his defunct government. Independent public were betrayed with him badly when he imposed strict curfews, communication blockade, tedious and unfruitful roadside monitorings backed up by his uncivilized cops and unacceptable cruelty against political leaders. Girija, Madhav and many other political leaders, though they were not popular faces among ordinary people, were earning respect and faith when their bones fractured, when their heads punctured, when they were barred for long period of times, when they were badly ill due to contaminated foods provided, when they were locked up in sheep and food storage rooms and so on. You can not just underestimate their activities as the trails in ratnapark. Those activities were fueling to bring pivotal and cruicial moment to uncover the bad face of Gyanendra and company.
Yes, maoist joined with political parties lately after getting huge pressure from india just before the Andolan was heating enough high. One may argue that maoist were key for the success of the andolan, but other may counter argue that if maoist had refuged to join parties at that time, they would perhaps be finished by now due to indian suppression. It is now crystal clear that how the maoist and political parties were brought together by Indian efforts. Read history, what happened to BP when he refused to accept Indian plan, he was almost forced to deport far south corner of India. And later he had to go back Nepal with his Melmilaap Niti. So, if you just want to argue, there are tonnes of counterarguement that negate your ones, but these exchange of arguments may still not help you to explain what actually had happened.
The truth is that after maoist and parties came together, mass of people were large on streets. This is called 1+1=3 principle in politics, where unity brings a sense of security and high morale. On the other hand, government was failed to do anything effective despite having 18 days of continuous strike. People were running out of food, job, money, health, medicine and what not. They had nothing to do except watching street activities and witnessing or joining them. I myself saw people coming out of room at 5 am, gathering at street corner, bringing tires, burning them, and singing and dancing. No police, nobody there to oppose it. None of them were maoist supporters who gathered around my local areas. That is all the fact I have seen.
Now, when someone die hard to argue that those people were brought by maoist or they were maoist or when someone die hard to credit maoist only for the success of aandolan, then I must say : those arguments are all craps, all shi*s, NONE is true. I don't agree at all.
One more proof is there. Maoist did not agree with the agreement political parities did, and they announced continuation of the strike. They failed badly. So, that showed who was the real faith owner of the public. Maoist definitely has some support, but they won't get bigger by exaggeration with false claims. धेरै पेट फुलाउँदा भ्यागुताको पेट नै फुटेको बालकथाबाट माओबादि समर्थकहरुले सिक्न बाँकि नै छ ।
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