Let us all unite against theanti-Hindu forces in Nepal. CAN WE DO IT?

Let us spread message against what is happening to Nepal.
WE WANT IT TO REMAIN A HINDU STATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can we unite?
This will be the real challenge.
Look at how Indian medicos/engineers are uniting against job reservation.

Well, OUR RELIGION,HINDUISM THE ODLEST RELIGION IS BEING REMOVED FROM NEPAL. AND NO ONE IS BOTHERED? SICKENING.

Do you know what troubles start if this happens.
PLEASE ALL WAKE_UP AND SEND A STRONG MESSAGE TO THE CORRUPT & CROOK POLITICIANS IN NEPAL.

WE WANT NEPAL TO REMAIN HINDU!!!!!!!!!!

SPEAK EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

"Just because Sati/wife-burning is abolished does not mean that the practice has been completely wiped out, which it has not".

Do you have a source to back up that claim???? I would love to know about it... Nothing personal hai....


"America is not a Christian nation, so your point is moot".

America may not be a christian nation, but those who did were christians... So your point is????

"The caste system is unique to Hinduism".
When did I say it was not a part of the religion??? All i'm saying is, the system was purely based on profession.. Later on, some influential groups exploited it...

"Do you have a source to back up that claim???? "
Sure:

"PATNA: An old woman has allegedly committed 'sati' by jumping into the funeral pyre of her husband in a Bihar village, though officials Sunday said a police report on the incident was awaited. "
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1500612.cms

"Banda (UP), May 26 A 70-year-old woman ended her life allegedly by jumping into the funeral pyre of her husband at Bahundari village, 60 km from here.

The incident came to light when hundreds of people thronged the site of her funeral to offer flowers, coconut and incense sticks as part of "sati puja", police said"
http://www.centralchronicle.com/20050527/2705003.htm

"Summary: A woman has burned herself alive on the funeral pyre of her dead husband in the central Indian state of Madhya Pradesh, committing the sacred but outlawed Hindu practice of 'sati'. This report from: Adam Mynott"

http://www.bbc.co.uk/worldservice/learningenglish/news/words/general/020807_witn.shtml

"Rukiya Devi (80) of village Shakardiha under the Hasanpur police station of the district allegedly committed “sati” by jumping into the funeral pyre of her husband on Wednesday night, her son and villagers said on Thursday. "
http://www1.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/568988.cms


Now, it seems like most Nepali news sites just have terrible search features. I can't find any articles about Sati in Nepal. It exists, trust me.

"America may not be a christian nation, but those who did were christians... "

Yes, of course. But Christianity is not being imposed on everybody else, is it? In Nepal's case, Nepal was a Hindu kingdom just a couple of days ago. I am an atheist. Your potshots at Christianity don't bother me.

"When did I say it was not a part of the religion??? All i'm saying is, the system was purely based on profession"

The system was not based on profession. The system was based on race. Your profession came with your race.

thanks for the details KNT... It's sad to know that some people do commit sati as of today too... But nowhere does it say that it was *imposed* on those women like you have been insisting.. If they did it thinking it was a part of the religion, then it's the fault of their ignorance and if they did that because they didn't wanna live without their husbands, it was because of their blindfolded love .. Either way, it's not the religion to be blamed for...

I know "my potshot at christianity" didn't bother you, because it was not meant for that.. I just put that as an example to let you know that such bad traditions were deep rooted in many socities and not just Hinduism....

Whatever it is ...MOST OF US DEEP INSIDE BELIEVE THIS PROCLAMATION IS A FIRST MOVE TOWARDS GLOBAL MOVE...TOWARDS CIVILISATION.RELEGION IS JUST A BELIEF......THEIR SHOULD BE NO BARRIERS.THE BARRIER HAD TO GO SOONER OR LATER ESP AT THIS AGE OF GLOBALISATION.
AFTER GENERATIONS OF CIVILISATION ,THERE WILL BE REVOLUTIONARY DAYS WHERE ALL THE BARRIERS...BE IT RELIGIONS...RACES ...COLOUR WILL SLOWLY DESOLVE AND DISAPPEAR.EVERYONE WILL LOOK THE SAME AND FEEL THE SAME AND ALSO TALK THE SAME.
WELL THE PROCLAMATION WAS JUST A INEVITABLE DEMAND OF THE CURRENT TIME....A MOVE TOWARDS MODERN DEMOCRATIC WORLD.

MAY LOOK SCARY AND CONFLICTING IN THE SHORT RUN..WILL BENEFIT ALL IN THE LONG RUN.

"But nowhere does it say that it was *imposed* on those women like you have been insisting"
Even if it wasn't imposed on them, the fact remains that these women who commit Sati are all Hindus.
Just so you know, I come from a Hindu family. So don't take this as an attack on Hinduism.

TAGGING ONE COUNTRY AS HINDU, MUSLIM OR CHRISTIAN IS AN OLD CONCEPT.THIS IS DISAPPEARING AND HAS TO DISAPPEAR AROUND THE WORLD . THE TREND IS TWD GLOBALISTION......AND GLADLY NEPALESE PEOPLE HAVE FINALLY ACCEPTED THAT..IF WE DONT FOLLOW THIS TREND....WAR AND DIVISIONS(MORE SEEN IN THE ORTHODOX OLD DAYS ) IS INEVITABLE.
THE DIFFERENCES HAS TO GO AWAY FROM THIS WORLD....SLOWLY BUT BOLDLY....WITHOUT FEARING TOO MUCH ON THE SHORT TERM CONSEQUENCES

Even if it wasn't imposed on them, the fact remains that these women who commit Sati are all Hindus.

That's because it was once a very integral part of our tradition and from what I read today, it still is (though not that important)... I don't mistake tradition for religion, so I stick by the belief that a religion should not be blasphemed on the basis of its few bad followers.... It's the people; those *Hindus* that commited or still commit such sins, so fingers should be pointed at them and not at the entire religion..

I agree with you Dreamz

I agree with Mokshya.

I do not know a single person who can describe and define sanatan Dharma. If anyone here claims to know about vedic philosophy in totality (ie hinduism) i feel sorry for them.

some say this is hinduism ; some say that is hinduism : i say what is not hinduism? i again say what is hinduism?

खरानी धसेर जोगी भएर मसान बस्ने पनी हीन्दु
पुजा पाठ् गर्ने बीहान बेलुकी स्नान गर्ने पनी हीनदु
लक्ष्मी को पुजा गर्ने धन थुपर्ने पनी हीन्दु
सेक्सी सेक्सी कुरा गर्ने वात्सायान पनी हीन्दु
पशु बली चढाउने काली भक्ता पनी हीन्दु
जडी बुटी गर्ने बैध्य पनी हीन्दु
भबीस्य हेर्ने astrologer ज्योतीशी पनी हीन्दु
सङ्गीत् नृत्य सीकाउने पुन्डीत् पनी हीन्दु
योग गर्ने योगी पनी हीन्दु भोग गर्ने भोगी पनी हीन्दु
दुष्ट दानव पनी हीन्दु बौद्ध मानव पनी हीन्दु
अहम्कारी हीरन्यकश्यप् पनी हीन्दु भक्त प्रह्लाद् पनी हीन्दु
नस्तीक पनी हीन्दु आस्तीक पनी हीन्दु
परोपकारी पनी हीन्दु दुराचरी पनी हीन्दु
सती जाने पनी हीन्दु पाँच पोई भा द्रोपदी पनी हीन्दु

what doesnot belong to hinduism? what belongs to hinduism? and who the fu(k is anyone to determine that? there is no founder and no governing doctrine that dictates sanatan dharma. vedic philosophy is as vast as the universe. seers and sages have spent all their lives searching for the ultimate truth and haven't found it in totality.
if someone claim to define hinduism i would be more than willing to know about it

show the guts!

******FREEDOM TO PRACTICE RELIGION**********
******FREEDOM TO SPEAK MOTHER LANGUAGE*****

This is the way to go. Otherwise if everyone in Nepal spoke Nepali and became Hindu, there wont be any other minority culture and language left.***** Any way both Hindu religion and Nepali language were forced upon Nepalese people by SHAHs and RANAs ******, if you don't believe me, don't go and start reading Nepal's history. They were written by people who feared or favored Shahs and Ranas.

*****DEMOCRACY MEANS EQUALITY AND NO DISCRIMINATION******
LOOK AT AMERICA: YOU WILL UNDERSTAND, THEY NEVER SAY YOU HAVE TO FOLLOW A CERTAIN RELIGION.

Something about Sathi-Pratha:
Sati-pratha started only after the muslim invasion in India. Muslims would forcefully take the women once they win the battle and make them their wives. The wives of the kings would rather die than be the wives of the invader muslims.

All religion teaches only good.Unfortunately people interpret it incorrectly.It is sad to see their are more Muslims in the world how interpret incorrectly .So all the infidels are at risk.Including hindus because of Some idiots.
I have lot of muslim friends they are educated but still sentimental about their religion and practice it no matter which country they belong too But Our liberal hindus especially of nepal do not care much of religious values.
I don't see much future of hindu religion especially when the conversion process is increasing so fast in Nepal.It will soon be minority religion in couple of generation well what do we care we have all liberals in Sajha.KK ur attempt to unite is fruitless.

Grow up guys!

aadivasis-janjatis-dalits have been demanding a secular state for years now. It was one of the demands of the recent movement, but was subsumed under the banner “Samabeshi Loktantra.”

Going secular is good news for Nepal. this is an EXCELLENT news for both the marginalized muslim/ and historically persecuted christian community as well as for the aadivasi-janjati-dalits! mind you, enlightened brahmins/chhetris have also been in the forefront of a crusade for a secular state. you cannot have a 'samabeshi loktantra' with a hindu tag. how can you have over a dozen upa-dafas pertaining to Hinduism and ONLY ONE pertaining to Buddhism in the now-defunct constitution (thank God), and not a single one for Islam or other religions? Tagging Nepal as a "Hindu country" is discriminatory and offensive to countless other religions!!!

grow up again dudes! that 85% of the population of Nepal are Hindus is a myth - no matter what the manipulated figures in the population censuses taken during the hindu regime show. Don’t you get it? It was on this and similar other heaps of lies that the legitimacy of the Palace and the God-like status of the Shah Dynasty was built! you must know that the state-sponsored population censuses have always been mired in controversies - and even the National Planning Commission have had to admit to this fact on more occasions than one.

“Katmar” under secular Nepal? Again grow up dudes. at least, this is a good first step toward abolition of the apartheid of South Asia (caste system) which stems directly from fundamentalist Hinduism, which has been given protection by the palace. there has been more “katmar” under Hindu Nepal than you can even document. Even animal rights activists are scared of the voracious appetites of hindu gods and goddesses such as Kali Mata. Haven't you heard of the allegations that Mr. Bharat Keshari Singh's groups were involved in the murder of Mr. Pokhrel, who had financed many education institutions across Nepal through organising of "Yagyas”. I think the new Nepal Government must look into this allegation and bring the culprits to book.

shiva sena resides in pointlessness in India. they are a spent force. hindu Bishwo Parishad also resides in pointlessness. certainly, Secular Nepal may open up possibilities for religion-based politics and give rise to Nepali BJPs. But there are also countervailing forces in Nepal. You guys have to remember that the Dalits - aadivasis - janjatis - muslims - christians are a formidable force and they have the numbers. enlightened Brahmins and Chhteris are okay with the secular tag, and are even saying that this is best for the country. Maoists as well as the large swathes of rural population they have a sway over have welcome this Secular Tag.

So to say that Nepal is imposing a "Secular" tag on a country with 87% to 97% Hindus is a heap of lies. Did I also mention women who are fed up of patriarchy, which had been given a boost and protection by the palace and its god-like King. mind you, the non-Hindu minorities are increasingly empowering themselves, organising themselves and asserting themselves, thanks to the space created for them by the 2046 movement. Aadivashis-janjatis alone make up 37% of the population. Dalits make up 20%. Women make up almost 50%. Christians and Muslims are rapidly growing in numbers. So with figures like these, it is not scientific to say that Nepal is a "Hindu" country. Anyway this has nothing to do with science. Turkey’s muslim population may actually exceed 90% but it is still a Secular Country.

I don’t think Secular Nepal will create any long term problem – it may create a short term problem. If you look at the hilltops in and around Kathmandu, you can see more lavish and more modern Buddhist gombas and monasteries outshining the shive lingas and tridents. This is only a sneak preview of things to come! When the Tamangs / Sherpas/ Gurungs/ Tibetans decide to celebrate a “Lhosar” on the same day (attempts have been made in this direction), then “Lhosar” will truly be a “national” festival, and help forge a pan-aadivasi-janjati solidarity. It is only a matter of time.

I say Secular Nepal will not pose problems in the long term because
even though Nepali BJPs may come to power (every dog has its day) in Secular Nepal - so what? Many BJPs have come and gone in India - but India is still a secular country.
The dog barks but the caravan moves on. Only in Secular Nepal, can we have equal respect for all religions, all cultures - thus enriching the diversity of Nepal in the face of homogenizing effect of globalisation. This is a very positive thing! Otherwise what difference is there between people who argue in this thread that Nepal is a “Hindu Country” and should remain so, and our successive kings who have always acted like they own Nepal – that Nepal is their “birta”.

Lest people counter that going Nepal secular under is “indianisation of Nepal”, it helps to remember that Nepal has been more indianised under Hindu Nepal. I have actually overheard Paras say, “I’m married to India.” He meant this both literally and figuratively. You must know about the Sankacharyas from South India, who exercise control over the running of Pashupati Nath. And it was the Sankarcharya from South India who introduced Hinduism’s ugliest aspect –Caste System – in Nepal. Hell, it was with Hinduisation of Nepal that Indianisation of Nepal began. This happened long ago – ever since the Hindu Kings of India were chased out of India by the Mongol (or Moghul) herds. So if people on this thread argue that Nepal going secular is “indianisation of Nepal” needs to get an update - reread their history.

HINDU tag is an idea whose time has gone. Gone with the wind! I never felt proud to hear the line “Nepal is the only Hindu country in the world”, and I have never ever said it.

Who know if Hinduism may actually flourish under Secular Nepal – paradoxically speaking?

I have no doubt that pashupati nath temple will acquire a much cleaner and more respected image under Secular Nepal. Under the kathit “Asal Hindu Rastra Nepal”, pashupati nath temple had become a poster boy of mismanagement, fraudulence, chakribad, corruption, sins, thanks to the palace and palace-propped puppets. when count draculas like Bharat Keshari Singh & the palace puppets masquerade as spokespersons for "ASAL HINDU Rashtraya", this is what happens – they ruin/dirty the image of Pashupati Nath temple and, by extension, of Hinduism. They allowed the holy Bagmati River/Sali Nadi to be polluted. Where do you think all that money that the devotees offered to Pashupati Nath temple went? No point for guessing correctly. The money that could have been used to clean up holy rivers. Declaring Nepal a “SECULAR NEPAL” was a quick way to drive a stake through the hearts of these draculas and their false-god-king and their institutions, and thereby prevent their sullying the image of Hinduism.

Under Secular Nepal, we may finally have the chance to restore Hinduism, and thereby Pashupati Nath, Bagmati & Sali Nadi, to their pristine glories and coexist peacefully (more than ever before) with other religions and cultures?

Have you thought along these lines at all guys?

May Pashupati Nath give you the inspiration to think along these lines as well!

Ok dude !!Btw u are not hindu rite?U have been treated very unequally .i am sorry for that.
" If you look at the hilltops in and around Kathmandu, you can see more lavish and more modern Buddhist gombas and monasteries outshining the shive lingas and tridents. This is only a sneak preview of things to come! When the Tamangs / Sherpas/ Gurungs/ Tibetans decide to celebrate a “Lhosar” on the same day (attempts have been made in this direction), then “Lhosar” will truly be a “national” festival, and help forge a pan-aadivasi-janjati solidarity. It is only a matter of time. "
So that was the real beef out here. Ok i give u that lets not make dashain Our national holiday we should make lhosar.Happy!
yes , may be people have taken advantage out of it but hinduism itself wasn't bad.And naming Hindu wouldn't have been such a bad idea.MAy be u were not proud but i was .But now its gone then gone.WTF.

Imi, my mother is a converted Hindu, until recently a loyal member of Nepal's district chapter of Hindu Bishwo Parishad. she is still a hindu.

well, my mentioning the Buddhist gompas coming up on kathmandu valley hilltops and what not is my own twisted way of saying that the hindu shrines (shiva lingas and rusted tridents) on hilltops in and around kathmandu valley have languised under the so-called "Hindu Nepal," whereas there have been an reawakening of interests in "Buddhistism". the monies that the pashupati nath temple and countless other temples received were not put to good use: just look at the polluted bagmati river/sali nadi, etc. bagmati is not a river, my friend, it is a sewer!!! where did all the monies go? different sects of buddhism have put their money to a much better use: to assert their cultural identity and spread the message of peace, thus bringing Nepal recognition from the wider International Community.

all i'm saying is that under "Secular Nepal", Hinduism has, paradoxically, languished. I said the pashupati nath temple has become a posterboy of mismanagement, abuse, chakribad, sins, etc - and this has sullied the image of Hinduism. many hindus are fed up of organised Hinduism - of its rituals and trappings, its links with BHP and Shiva Sena, and its "vagyabadi" aspects, as well as its condescending attitude toward other religions or towards its own - the Dalits. may be Hinduism didn't feel any threat under "Hindu Nepal", and thus let its guard down. its own practitioners neglected its good aspects (and allowed the false god-king and its puppets to make mockery of hinduism and milk it for all its worth) and played up its worst aspects (excesses) under Hindu Nepal.

now that Hinduism has fallen from its perch (Nepal is now a "secular" state), may be its practioners will do well to clean up its image in the future. in this regard, under Secular Nepal, hindus may have more incentives to do something positive to salvage its image and reputation from the corrupting clutches of the likes of Bharat Keshari Singh as well as to distance itself from the hindu fundamentalist groups such as shiva sena and BHP .

well, i mentioned sherpas/gurungs/tamangs/tibetans' growing prominence to underscore the fact that it is not as easy as it seems for the hindus to unite against anti-Hindu forces, as Kalki Kapil clamors. This is my direct response to Kalki Kapil who sounds like a hot-blooded Hindu fanatic! let me debunk two Kalki Kapil's misconceptions & knock some sense into his thick stupid skull so that he actually gets it.

1) these sherpa/gurung/tamang/tibetan communities are not anti-Hindu.
2) clamoring for Secularisation of Nepal or granting Nepal a "Secular" status is not an anti-Hindu act. It is merely according equal status to all the religions in the eye of the state or law. that's all.

last but not least, let us clean up some of the prevailing myths about the kathit bygone "Hindu Nepal".

1) That king is an incarnation of a Hindu God: well, he's just bitten the dust!
2) That under "Hindu Nepal", religions have co-existed harmoniously - well under Saddam Hussien we didn't hear as much about sectarian violence in Iraq either (so does that mean that under Saddam these different sects coexisted harmoniously?). "harmonious co-existence" is a term that is bandied about very loosely around here.
3) That aadivashis-janjatis-muslims-christians etc are anti-Hindu: they are non-Hindu sure, but they are not anti-Hindu. so Kalki Kapil's rallying cry makes no sense. he's deluded - he's seeing enemy where none exists!


May Pashupati Nath bless all you guys!

A Sign of coming days.


“THE BHARATIYA Janata Party (BJP) and its allies on Friday strongly reacted to abolishing the Hindu nation character of Nepal by the Nepalese Parliament and declaring it a secular state. Thousands of activists, belonging to the BJP and its allies, took out a march in Sonauli, Thoothibari of Maharajganj district to express their anger at the decision of Parliament. National president of the World Hindu Federation (India Wing) and BJP MP Yogi Adityanath led the march.

They also handed over a memorandum to district magistrate Maharajganj addressed to the President of India. Adityanath directed the party activists to launch a movement against the decision of the Nepalese Parliament. The procession passed through various routes and raised slogans against the Nepalese Government. The Hindu Yuva Vahini, the Hindu Mahasabha and other organisations supported the march.

Strongly condemning the decision of the Nepalese Parliament Adityanath said that it was a deep-rooted conspiracy of international force and said that if Britain and the USA could be a religion-based state with secular identity, why can’t Nepal get the same status.

Adityanath said that whenever Nepal would be secular state, the security of India would come under threat from the ISI and Maoists.

Adityanath criticised the anti-Hindu forces and said that they had become active at the international level and the current decision of the Nepalese Parliament was only an example.

The BJP and the WHF have no use pointing finger at the Nepali government. The Indian government is not going to listen to these militant fundamentalist Hindus or the party or organisations they are affiliated to. These entities are a disgrace to the ENLIGHTENED MODERN SECULAR INDIA. Their relevance is fast disappearing from India itself. The fanatical Hindus are exposing themselves for who they are: religious bigots, supremacists, promoters of the apartheid in south asia, one based on caste!

These guys are raising the spectres of ISI and Maoists. Well this is nothing new. It is not like we didn't have ISI and Maoists under HINDU NEPAL.

The Indian government does not have the moral authority to interfere in the matter of whether Nepal should be a secular state or a Hindu or a Buddhist or a Muslim or a Christian state, since India itself is a Secular State, and thank God for that. Moreover, India-protected country Bhutan, too, is on the way to becoming a secular state. Nepal is not alone in this.

So I don't see how the Indian government will exercise leverage on this matter over Nepal. Since India is a democratic country, it was natural for it to support our government's latest declaration (which brought powers to the people). But since India is itself a secular state, it would not be natural or right for it give in to these fundamentalist Hindus's pressures. If the current government (say Congress) of India gives in to these guys even an inch, this party are gonna write its own demise at the next general election.

Of course, I have no doubt the Nepali government will ignore the calls of these BJPs and WHFs - lest they drag Nepal into a greater "shit-hole" they are currently in. Nepal is rising, the hindu fundamentalists are sinking, and are now grabbing desperately at a straw.

Did you see the Indian government raise a quota for the backward castes in medical schools? This is an example of the enlightened India!

In short, this is nothing more than a lame BJP ploy to stage a comeback to power in India.

If they have to depend on an event happening in Nepal to stage a comeback, how hopeless must their situation be. This is anybody’s guess!

I am with you kalki kapil.

To karmapa.....when a tibetan lands in a foreign country with Nepali passport he then starts callin himself tibetan