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 मुनामदन लक्ष्मी प्रसादले चोरेको कृति !!!
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Posted on 03-27-13 1:13 AM     Reply [Subscribe]
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You are such a fag.
 
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 Yo Ashishole Comrade,
Now are you trying to incite a racial war Gadha ? काम पाइनस कामरेड ? जसकै कथा भएपनि के भो त ? अब कथा लाई लिएर बाहुन नेवार झगडा सुरु गरौन लग्यो यो गधा ले. Nepali katha bhaye pugdaina talai ? Fuggers are trying to spread fear and violence to stay in power now(of course that is the Communist & Maoist way) ? For 3 fugging yrs they have sat on their asses filling their pockets. Now that the general public is displeased with their performance, they trying new schemes to stay in power. 
 
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" I have a dream that one day Bahun Men and Women will be holding hands with  newar Men and Women who'd be holding hands with Chettri Men and Women who'd be holding hands with Gurung, Magar, Madhesi Lama Thakali, Lepcha, Chepang, Tamang, Sunuwar and other castes' men and women and they will be sitting in a huge circle in Tudikhel - cheerfully clapping and watching this liability of mankind called Ashishme being whipped, sodomized, castrated and crucified. "

 - Behoove Luther King (who just lost it after reading this post)


 
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I understand the outcry by fellow posters against the OP's post. The way it is written (by somebody else) and posted (by OP) do sound a little out of line.
But, I have heard this thing before. Muna Madan, I believe, was based upon some old Nepal bhasa song about a guy going overseas for labor. The text quoted in the original post sound like the exact line from that song. Now, did Laxmi Prasad translated the whole Nepal Bhasa song? I don't know.
There was a discussion about similar thing in Sajha a while back. I think Rahulvai might have some insight on this; I am not sure if it was regarding Muna Madan or some other epic by the Mahakavi. This accusation is not entirely baseless.
 
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The accusation might not be entirely baseless, heck Devkota might have plagiarized it all, I have nothing against that.

But since the source was not cited and the way the original poster's comment ended in malice, I am led to believe that it is Ashishme who is always up for such evils.

But then, I guess I need to take my words back, forgiveness is in the air in sajha.

 


 
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 I agree with Behoove.

While it is possible that Laxmi Prasad might have plagarized few verses or took inspiration from old Nepal bhasa story, I didnot like the tone with which the poster has vented out his feelings.

Besides when you make accusation please back it off with sound source and reference.

As a kid, I actually have heard something along the line but then no solid proof was ever provided.


 
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 His claim might be valid, but his intent isn't necessarily to go into the depths of the creation of Muna-Madan. " मित्रहरु !!! बाहुनहरुले मुलबासिहरुका अनेकौ कृतीहरु चोरेको उजागर हुनु जरुरी छ। " That says it all. Lets not feed the troll. 
 
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हुनसक्छ लक्ष्मीप्रसाद देवकोटाले तात्कालिन नेवार समुदायमा प्रचलित कथावस्तुमा आधारित रहेर मुनामदन लेखे । तर उनले पुरै कथा सरेका हुन् कि कथाबाट प्रभावित मात्र भएका हुन् कि अथवा यो उनी माथिको एउटा आरोपमात्र हो त्यसको राम्रोसँग अध्ययन हुनु जरुरी छ । नेवारी र नेपाली भाषा, साहित्य र ईतिहासको राम्रो जानकारी भएका र साम्प्रदायिक संकिर्णताबाट माथी उठेका व्यक्तिहरुबाट मात्रै यो बिषयमा केही सत्यतथ्य जानकारी प्राप्त हुनसक्छ । केही समय अघि साझामा राहुलभाइलाई मैले नै यो बिषयमा प्रश्न तेर्साएको थिए । गोर्खा भाषा प्रकाशिनी समितिको नेपाली बाहेकको अरु भाषालाई दवाउने प्रयासको बारेमा यदाकदा सुनिदै आएको हो ।

तर दु:खको कुरा के हो भने ईतिहासलाई सच्चाउने नाममा अहिलेका विद्वानहरु जातीय अथवा साम्प्रदायीक भावनाबाट प्रेरित भएर धमाधम ईतिहासलाई बङ्याउन लागेका छन् । उदाहरणको लागि रामकुमार श्रेष्ठले अनुवाद गरेको तात्कालिन काठमाडौंको ईतिहासले के भन्छ भने कप्तान किन्लोकको नेत्रित्वमा आएको अङ्रेज सेनासँग गोर्खाली सेनाले लडेको जस्तो नाटक मात्र गरेको थियो र त्यो सेनालाई जयप्रकाश मल्लले नभई पृथ्वीनारायण शाहले नै बोलाएका थिए । भयो अब ! गोर्खाली र अङ्रेजहरु मिलेर त्यो बेला नाटक गर्नुपर्ने आवश्यकता किन पर्‍यो होला कुन्नी ? अनि बेलाबखत साझामा धर्केद्वारा पोस्टिने लेखहरुका लेखक सौरभको कथनले भन्छ नेपालमा कुनै किराँतकाल नै थिएन, किराँत राजाहरुले राज्य नै गरेका थिएनन् । ल अब यसलाई पत्याउने कि नपत्याउने ? चिनियाँ यात्री हुआन सानले बर्णन गरिदिए कि राजा सुद्दोदनको राज्य लुम्बिनीबाट कुन्नी कति हो लि (चिनियाँ नाप एकाइ) पर पर्छ । अब यही मात्र आधार बनाएर हेर्दा कपिलवस्तुमै राजा सुद्दोदनको दरबार थियो भन्ने नेपालको दावी मिलेन र भारतीयहरुले राजा सुद्दोदनको दरबार उत्तर भारतमा रहेको दावी गरे । अब त्यो चिनियाँ यात्रीहरुले कसरी त्यो दूरी नापे र उनीहरुले नापेको दूरी गलत पनि हुन सक्छ भन्ने कुरालाई पुरै वेवास्ता गरेर खाली त्यसकै भरमा ईतिहास स्थापित गर्न खोजेर पनि कही हुन्छ होला ? त्यसो त बाल्मिकीको रामायण चोरेर होमरले इलियड र ओडिसी लेखेका हुन् अथवा होमरको इलियड र ओडिसी चोरेर बाल्मिकीले रामायण लेखेका हुन् भन्ने पनि थुप्रै छन् । यो त उही 'conspiracy theory' रचे जस्तो एउटा सानो कुरा पायो कि त्यसमा अरु कहानी बुन्दै बुन्दै पुरै जालो तयार पार्दिन्छन् । यसमा कति पत्याउने र कति नपत्याउने ?

अब यो aashisme जस्तो भाडाको टट्टुहरुलाई चाँही एउटा सानो कुरा पाए पछि पुच्छरमा आगो सल्किहाल्छ, त्यसपछी त बुर्लुक्क बुर्लुक्क !  
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 nice analytical response, Geology Tiger bro!
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 The problem with this kind of accusation is it flares up the tinder of falsehood.

By reading some of the subsequent replies to this thread it is apparent that many of us are already led to believe that something suspicious did occur "Maybe Devkota did......" Did Devkota have the need for plagiarism? This is the person who was able to dictate 12 different stories with 12 different plots/twists in one night. I know this has been discussed before.

Read this excerpt. It's totally worth every second of your life :). Besides, you'll get to know another gem: Shankar Lamichane (hopefully he didn't plagiarize the following;))

http://shankarsmriti.blogspot.com/2011/05/blog-post_11.html






 
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 अघि भोजन अवकाश अघि नै यस धागोमा बाघ दाइको पुरानो पोस्ट खोज्दै थिएँ, भेटाउन सकिन . बाघ दाईले भेटाउनु भयो भने पोस्तिनु होला नै . 
 
बाघ दाई ले यहि प्रसङ्गमा म संग केही जिज्ञासा राख्नु भएको थियो . नेपाल भाषाका महा कबि चित्तधर हृदयको सुगत सौरभ भन्ने महाकाव्य संग देबकोटाको मुनामदनको कथा केही हद सम्म मिल्न गएकोमा दुइ मत छैन. कथाको सार मिल्नु र चोरेको भन्नु मुर्ख्याइ हो. एउतै घटना, एउतै दृश्यबात कथाहरु जन्मिञ्छन, चित्रहरु कोरिन्छन , कविताहरु कल्पिन्छन ... तर कल्पना शैली , रचनाको गहराई र प्रस्तुती फरक फरक हुन सक्छन नै . 
 
महाकबि देबकोटा र महाकबि चित्तधर समकालीन साहित्यकार थिए. मुनामदन जस्तो चर्चित  रचना कबिबर हृदयज्यूले पढ्नु भएन भन्ने कुरामा बिश्वास गर्न सकिन्न. आफ्नो रचनाको यदि चोरी भएको भए हृदयज्यू ले त्यति बेला नै कुरा उठाउनु हुन्थ्यो नि .मैले  कबि चित्तधरज्यू संग भेट गरेको छु , धेरै समारोहहरुमा  भाग लिएको छु . कतै चोरीको कुरा सुनिएन. अहिले आएर केही उपबुज्रुकहरु जातिय सदभाव बिथोल्न नेवार र गैर नेवार बीच फाटो ल्याउन लागि परेका छन् . र सबै जना त्यस्ता कलुषित मनको आग्रहमा पूर्वाग्रही हुने छैनन . 
 
महाकबि देबकोटा को अद्वितीय प्रतिभा माथि मैले केही भन्नु पर्दैन नै . उहाँ का कृतिहरु नै आफै प्रमाण हुन् . 
 
नोट: यो राहुल भाइ नेपाल भाषा (नेवारी बोल्ने)  लेख्ने नेपाली मध्ये कै हो. नेपाल भाषाको भाषिक आन्दोलन देखि नेवारी संस्कृति को जगेर्ना गर्ने अभियानमा सधैं अग्रपंक्तिमा  रहने मध्ये एक हो . तर नेपाली नेपाली फुटाउने जंगली दुष्प्रयास बिरुद्ध मशाल बोक्नेहरुमा पनि अग्रपंक्ति मै छु , चेतना भया ....
 

 
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Whoever you are,first you need to change the way you think and second you need to think twice before you questioned on the credibility of someone like Devkota.
 
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यो मोरो आसीस भन्ने माओवादीको टट्टु हो , माओवादी नेता प्रचण्डे को झड्केलो छोरो जस्तो छ
 
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1. राहुलभाइलाई मेरो प्रश्न
http://sajha.com/sajha/html/index.cfm?threadid=94773

2. देवकोटा सम्बन्धी सामाग्रीहरु
http://sajha.com/sajha/html/index.cfm?threadid=93694
http://sajha.com/sajha/html/index.cfm?threadid=25088#177880

3. नेपाली साहित्यका पन्ध्र तारा 
http://sajha.com/sajha/html/index.cfm?threadid=96412




 
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ma sano huda ekjana "newar" sathi le mero pencil choreko thiyo aaba k sabai newar haru chor fatah hunchhan
bhanne. Yedi devkota le plagiarism garekai hun bhaye pani uni ekjana byakti le gareka hun, sabai bahoon milera kabita chorna gako ta haina ni.
Sabilai chetana bhaya
 


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