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नवौ र दशौ कक्षा मा हुदा स्थानिय पुस्तकालयमा सरिता, कादम्बिनी , यति डाईजेस्त र Reader's Digest बुझे नबुझे पनि मन्लागाएर हेरिन्थ्यो | तेती खेर पढेको SWAPO का नेता SAM NUJOMA नाम किन हो अझै ताजा छ | सरितामा East बङ्गाल स्थानिय पार्टीका नेताको " धार्मिकता से नैतिकता कि ओर " लेखले मन छोएको थियो | मेरो बच्चालाइ बिफ खादिन भन्दा हिन्दु हरुले खादैनन् तेसैले खादिन भने पछि के हो त हिन्दु धर्म भनि इन्टरनेट हेरे पछि हेर बाउ त र म चै बुद्दिस्ट संग मिल्ने रहेछौ भन्ने सुने पछि कुरा ठिकै लाग्यो | बाउ, आमा र बच्चा बीच धर्म कर्मका कुरा आउदा आमा चै एक्लि हुन्छे | आज्ञा अमेरिकी पितृ दिन मा " WHY I AM NOT HINDU" पुस्तक दिए पछि एक अध्याय मात्र पढ्न भ्याएको छु | अहिले सम्म लेखकले धर्मको बिरोधमा केहि लेखेको छैन खालि उ sheep-herd बन्सालुगत पेसा भएको ले आफ्नो धर्म संग हुन्दु धर्म तुलना गर्छ भने दलितबहुजन् भनेको हिन्दु हुन् भनि मानब सरह नभई हिन्दु बनाई दिएर ठुलो गुण लगाए झैँ गरेका छन् |
यो किताब PDF मा पनि फ्री डाउनलोड गर्न पाउदो रहेछ, हामि हिन्दु बारे जानकारी लिनु हुन्को लागि वेब साइट टासी दिन्छु | अहिलेको सेता छालाको काम र कुरा गराई किन यस्तो छ त्यो पनि छर्लिन्गीन्छ |

मैले तपाइँहरुको हिन्दुत्वलाइ दखल दिन होईन , हिन्दुत्वका गुण भन्दा र अबगुण तिर हामी किन उन्मुख हुदै छौ ?
अल्प बिध्या भयंकरिको कारणले हामि पुजा आजालाई धर्म मान्दै आएका छौ | गुरु पुत्र गुरु नै ठाञ्छ्यौ र जे भन्यो तेही माञ्छ्योउ |

हिन्दि भर्सन :
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/277527100_Main_Hindu_Kyon_Nahin


अंग्रेजी भर्सन :
https://theannihilationofcastereadinggroup.files.wordpress.com/2013/03/why-i-am-not-a-hindu-fr10.pdf
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हुन् सक्छ म किन हिन्दु हॊइन पढनासाथ् हिन्दु बिरोधि कुरा भनि लिंक नै खोल्नु भएन होला | Open Mind ले पढनुस र हार्मो हिन्दु धर्म को आधार शिला के रहेछ त्यो मात्र त्यो हिन्दि लिंक मा छ| जम्मा २७ पाना मात्र छन् |

मनुस्मृतिले हामीलाई नैतिकता भन्दा अनैतिकता तिर धकेलेको पाउछु र हामीलाई जन्मजात Narcissist बनाउन कति मद्दत गरेको छ थाहा पाउनु हुनेछ |
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Thank you for sharing. मनमा लागेको तर यस्तो केही होला भनेर खोज्न नभ्याएको कुरा पढ्न पाएँ । धन्यवाद!
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अंग्रेजी को लिंकमा तुलनात्मक लेखाइ छ | मैले त पुरै हिन्दीमा अनुवादित होला भन्ने ठानेको होईन रहेछ तर पनि तपाईले भन्नु भए झैँ हामीले थाहा नपाइएका कुरा धेरै नै रहेछन | कहिँ कतै पुरै अनुवादित PDF भेटि हाले भने अबस्य नै टास्ने छु|
Next book will be "Annihilation of Caste" by Dr. Ambedkar.
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डा . अम्बेडकर को पुस्तक पनि PDF मा रहेछ यसको लिंक पनि तास्दै छु | हामीले हिन्दु धर्म भनेको रामायण महाभारत बाहेक अरु केहि धेरै जसोले पढेका छैनौ |
हाम्रो हिन्दु धर्म के मा आधारित छ सोध पुर्ण रुपमा लेखिएको छ | मनुस्मृतिले हामीलाई कस्तो पाठ पढायो र संस्कृत जान्ने अनि तिनका सन्तान दर सन्तान हामीलाई सुनाउदै आएका कुरा नै हाम्रो लागि धर्म को आधार हुदै आएको थियो र छ |
साझामा नाना थरि कुरा आउछन : लौ हामि पनि हाम्रो धर्मको Foundation बारे केहि बुझौ |

 चारबाक को नाम सुन्नु भएको छ ? महाभारत कालमा उनले हिन्दु धर्ममा भएका खराबी लाई देखाउन पुगेका थिए र उलाई अनास्तिक भने र ब्रामहण जातिले हत्या गरे |
PDF लाइ डेस्क्टपमा राखेको छु र हार्मो धर्मका आधार बुझन सुरु गर्छु र गरौ |

The poor Charvaka who had thus remonstrated was unceremoniously lynched by the Brahmin mob, for which act of ‘social gracefulness’ all the Brahmins in the mob were duly compensated by the king with regards and gifts. The whole episode serves as a fine metaphor for what has apparently gone on relentlessly in our society for quite a long time. As loyal traditionalists, large numbers of the contemporary defenders of the so called Dharma perpetuate the crime in a more complex form today. And that does not apply solely to our own India either, because other parts of the globe are not free from such horrendous deeds against the lowly in society.G. Ramakrishna


Here is the Audio book on "Annihilation of Caste"

https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=audio+book+on+%22anneheletion+on+caste%22+book


लिंक इन एङ्ग्लिश "

http://www.bapuculturaltours.org/i%20nostri%20e-books/annihilation%20of%20caste%20B00O7GHRYK_EBOK_2.प्द्फ़

Added: Audio book

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Yo kitab lekhne Chai ko ho? Yo alpagyani buda haru ko aafno afno opinion ho. Manu le lekhya, vyas le lekhya yo budo haru Lai explain gardai lekhya ho ra ? Yesto bhram padhera "I'm learned" bhannu bhanda Mahadev ko puja garera shanta bhara basnu laabhdayak huncha
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This is what you wrote "यो किताब लेख्ने चै को हो ? यो अल्पज्ञानी बुदा हरु को आफ्नो आफ्नो ओपिनिओन हो मनु ले लेख्या , व्यास ले लेख्या यो बुदो हरु लै Explain गर्दै लेख्या हो र ? एस्तो भ्रम पढेर "I'm learned" भन्नु भन्दा महादेव को पुञ्ज गरेर शान्त भर बस्नु लाभदायक हुन्छ" ? .

What is the base of Sanatan Dharm/ Hinduism ? What is the reason / why caste system created and who created? What is your level of understanding of Hinduism and What is the core value of Hinduism? Have you ever heard of Manusmriti ?
We will be happy to hear your analogy on Hinduism?

I am trying to see the root of Sanatan Dharm, Birth is the prime factor on Hinduism not Karma. They twisted the meaning of Karma such a way that other than brahmin , no one able to know it. We follow the bramhin who were close to us and their word is command and we followed him.
If the conqueror of India Changej Khan was given to (practice Sanatan Dharma there will be no muslims in Indian peninsula they were short sighted.
Have you heard of Charbac who was lynched because he was the great threat against the Bramhanism.

We HINDU born with narcissism and we show and showing it on our writings.

Read it with OPEN mind, know more about our religion and it's values practiced by our ancestors. Have we know or knew about Hinduism and is our values have been changed in 21st century after getting higher EDUCATION or we are following blind fold?

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Who twisted the meaning of Hinduism? Who are "they"?
Who said Charbak was lynched ? Charbak is a philosophy not an individual..and actual author of this book/samhita is unknown. With anti-Hindu concept in mind it will be easier to believe
"oh charbak said bad about God and orthodox Brahman burnt him alive"
We Hindus are narcissistic?
How do you know I don't have open mind ?

I don't want to make any arguments coz you might think I don't have any. But assuming things won't do any good. History of Hinduism is very mysterious. And don't go after Manu. He was just a human being. He wrote what he thought was dharma. Thousands of rishis during his own time contradicted with him. We in modern age established Manusmriti as guide book. But there are millions of such smritis. And good thing abt Hinduism is you can believe whatever you want. But regardless, I'm more interested in philosophy like upanishads and Gita than karma Kandi skriptures.
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Who are the creator of Sanatan dharm and who spread it ? Who made Sanatan Dharm mysterious? You just want to stay away from what happen and how the Hindu samaj was ruled or governed?
Why not we talk about Charbak ? Why we do not take manusmriti as a philosophy? Why Sanatan dahrmalabi make it a guideline of day to day life of Hinduism? You do not see treatment of people very very differently according to CASTE? Have you ever know what is it and what is the content on it? You must get a book and read it then tell us what you agree and disagree in past and in this 21st century.
Have read the link that was in hindi ? Do not say it is written by old disgruntle man who is a dalit.

Yes we hindu are Narcissist by birth and it has in our gene and I do not see reasoning but you are afraid of saying wrong doing is wrong.
Please: read it and tell us what you understood and tell us your opinion. I do not want every body need to be aligned with me.
Do we know what is HINDUISM ? Why it circles around the bramhin only? Why Priest are the important person in our life as well those passed away ?
What we learn from all those puran books ?
Please let us know the core value of Hinduism and How we maintain it?
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What is in Manusmriti , here is the translation.

In the early Vedic period (1300 B.C.E-1000 B.C.E), neither varnas nor jātis existed extensively. Instead the varna structure was presented in the Vedas as an ideal for society to aspire to. However, the Vedas do present a model of creation within which you were not to be equal in the eyes of the very divine that created you, at the time that they created you. The Purusha Suktha, the 90th hymn in the 10th Book of the Rig Veda, presents a cosmogony that describes the creation of man. From the head of a primeval God, arose the Brahmans (priests, scholars), from the arms, Kshatriya (kings, warriors), the thighs, Vaishya (merchants, cultivators) and the feet, Shudra (servants, slaves). While this visioning for society was not yet caste, it does implicitly and divinely ordain genesis directly into a compartments of graded inequality. It is very important to note that there is no neutrality in such a design. In other places throughout the texts and even today in most of modern South Asia, the head has always been considered superior and the feet lowly, ritually unclean and polluting.

The HAF states that the Vedas were not focused on the oppression of caste and that social divisions only came later. While many verses can be cited to present a counter to this claim, I cite only a key Vedic text — the Chandogya Upanishad, which records deep contempt for Chandalas (outcastes/Dalits)

“Now, people of good conduct can expect to quickly attain a pleasant birth, like that of a Brahmin, the Kshatriya, or the Vaishya. But people of evil conduct can expect to enter a foul womb, like that of a dog, a pig, or a Chandala.”

Factor in the idea that the Vedas represent a supreme sanction of Brahminical dharma (law/praxis), and this lays ground for the materializing of more rigid, more complex and more oppressive varna-jāti religio-social orders.
Caste in the Smritis

The Smritis constitute sacred texts that are considered human recollections, like laws, histories and epics. The HAF has asserted in their caste report that the Smritis “by their very nature and intent, are recognized to change with space and time and do not necessarily teach Hinduism’s eternal spiritual truths.”

However this is not a uniform position in Brahminism. Aditi Banerjee, former board member has said “It is not a grant of license for political organizations like the HAF to cherry-pick among the texts to pick out verses that are their favorites and call them the real “Hinduism” and discard the others.”

We assert that both the Shrutis and the Smritis bear condemnable caste advocacy.

Why does the HAF attempt to diminish the role of the Smritis? A clue comes by the time of Manu (200 B.C.E — 200 C.E), the gruesome lawgiver and author of the Manusmriti at a time when Brahmins were issuing the last nail in the coffin of an equitable society. Through these Smritis, the varnas moved from being a divinely envisioned ideal to a hard everyday reality of both varnas and jātis. Manu and the authors of the Smritis effectively cemented the varna system. These texts are so inhumane that even the believers find them hard to swallow and would rather gloss over them.

A cursory reading of some of these rules in the various Smritis make it impossible to accept the HAF point of view of the varna system as an ideal system that people accepted without resistance. It is emphasized that the dharmic duty of Brahmans was to be scholars, Kshatriyas, warriors and Vaishyas to be farmers and merchants. In dealing with the Shudras, however, Manu and his colleagues are especially cruel.

But a Shudra, whether bought or not bought (by the Brahmin) may be compelled to practice servitude, for that Shudra was created by the self-existent merely for the service of the Brahmin. Even if freed by his master, the Shudra is not released from servitude; for this (servitude) is innate in him; who then can take it from him.”

Education, reading, writing and academic pursuits were off-limits to Shudras and the slightest attempts at access to knowledge were severely punishable.

“Now if he (a Shudra) listens intentionally to (a recitation of) the Veda, his ears shall be filled with (molten) tin or lac. If he recites (Vedic texts), his tongue shall be cut out. If he remembers them, his body shall be split in twain”

It is crucial to note that, in a varna society, penalties for “criminal” activities are meted out not proportional to the offense committed but specific to your location in the varna order.

“A Brahmin may take possession of the goods of a Shudra with perfect peace of mind, for, since nothing at all belongs to this Shudra as his own, he is one whose property may be taken away by his master.”

“Indeed, an accumulation of wealth should not be made by a Shudra even if he is able to do so, for the sight of mere possession of wealth by a Shudra injures the Brahmin.”

It is also important to contextualize these writings. These grim dictates were being established at a time when Śramaṇa (ascetic) traditions like Buddhism were beginning to take root and flourish. It is not inconceivable that under the threat of religious competition in the subcontinent, attempts were being made by the Brahmins to cement the varna-jāti framework through severe legal intervention.

With this understanding of religious basis for caste, let’s address some final points.
The Caste Structure was/is not Fluid

The HAF makes some bold claims on mobility supposedly inherent within caste society- that mobility existed as the norm between varnas, that people could really choose which varna they had characters they were most suited to. There are several alarming questions that arise from this claim. Why anyone would believe, themselves and their loved ones, to be most suited to peasantry and slave labor? If everyone had the choice, wouldn’t they have all chosen the seemingly respectable livelihoods of Brahmins and “upper”- castes? It is neither fulfilling nor dignifying to be bonded to a landlord, to be a village servant, to be cleaning up shit or disposing of rotting animal carcasses.

If mobility between varnas was in fact the norm, one must wonder why so much painstaking effort has then been put in by the authors of several Brahminical skriptures to legislate permanent social inequality between varnas, to condemn punish inter-varna relationships and to bastardize and excommunicate the offspring from such unions.

“On having intercourse with Chandala women, on eating their food or receiving presents from them, a Brahmin unwittingly falls; but if he does so wittingly, he comes to an equality with them.”


Another idea that contradicts the claims of a fluid caste structure is the Brahmanical belief of karma that states that the actions of your past life result in your jāti and fate in the present one. This is also profoundly offensive to Bahujans. It criminalizes people victimized by varna, celebrates oppressor varnas and accrues further social capital for them while freeing them from accountability for their actions.


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