I want to post a controversial subject: the intellect of Sajha users and what it tells you about our mental aptitude and social norms. Somebody put it pretty well: "Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people." If you go back and look at all the Sajha postings, almost 100% are about the latter two, majority being the threads on people (Shristi Shrestha, Manisha Koirala, etc etc). You venture into one of those posts and the level of discussions are akin to 7th grade discussion: huge generalization (Nepali people are this, they are that), petty arguments and immature logics. Not to knock on my people, I think most of the blogs from our side of the world are similar, but when I goto other reputable blog sites, the discussion are much more intellectual. They tend to foster my brain's development, rather than frustrate it. Does this mean, we, as a society, are intellectually far behind? It is ofcourse a rash generalization on my part. Many of my Nepali friends are more intelligent than the natives around here; does this mean they just don't frequent blogs like Sajha? Why? I have been with Sajha for quite a while now and still remember few posters who would contribute very intellectually to a thread; there still are a select few whose postings I like to read. But why are 99% of the postings similar to kids having arguments? I am not complaining like any other post; you know, state of Sajha has deteriorated and all that. I have read too many of those posts. I just want to know whether 90% of us are still lagging in intellectual development? Could that, seriously, be the reason why we aren't progressing as a society and still are stuck with Bandhas and morchas? What can we do to go along with the fast moving world? I hope I didn't offend anyone; this is a genuine question.
Kiddo · Aug 6, 2012 3:05 PM · 49,695 views
Too long to read. Boring! :)
hilllguy · Aug 6, 2012 3:14 PM
Oh the irony.
Kiddo · Aug 6, 2012 3:20 PM
"Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people." Kiddo = small people. ( you are talking about all sajhaites and other nepali people in general) KaliKoPoi= small people. We all = small people. Kiddo, are you happy now?? If you reply this.. U will find answers to your question.
kalikopoi · Aug 6, 2012 3:44 PM
kalikopoi This is the sort of response I am talking about above. Am I happy? Why should I be happy? Am I small for talking about Sajhaites and Nepali in general? I don't claim to be a Great person or maybe not even average; but my bringing up this topic here doesn't quite fit in the category..you just didn't understand the gist. I am not talking about whether Kalikopoi is smart or not, or he did this or that; I am saying are we as a society lagging in that intellectual maturity? Is this the reason why we aren't going anywhere despite claiming the power back from the Kings? The first step is to acknowledge there's a problem, we can then work together to address it.
Kiddo · Aug 6, 2012 3:52 PM
I have an idea, let's start cussing the crap out of this smartass kiddo!!!
28th amendment · Aug 6, 2012 4:35 PM
My legs are shaking already.
Kiddo · Aug 6, 2012 4:58 PM
Intimidated by a great man's idea???
28th amendment · Aug 6, 2012 5:20 PM
ब्रो: आर्को धागो मा " काम छैन बुहारी पाडाको चाक् कन्याउँन जा " उखान लेखेको थियो | यो धागोमा सुहाउदो उखान " हराम से राम भी डरे " | खुट्टा मात्रै हल्लिए ? बाह्र हाते लंगौती लगाएर बस है ब्रो यिनको बानि त अन्दकोशमा घन ठोक्ने बानि छ ? खसी बनाउलान है ?
MaGorkhe1 · Aug 6, 2012 5:23 PM
boy....dont i miss that "character" named NAS. such a persuasive and constructional argumentative person whenever this sort of thread would start.
quarterback · Aug 6, 2012 9:02 PM
Lets, not judge who the fck belongs to small , weak, strong and intellectual group my fren. Your arshe belongs where it suppose to belongs and so are others arshe..anyways fcking piecce of shiaaatt ...we are humans, can only interpret and do certain things otherwise we would be something else ..like your monkey ass thinking how the fck humans fly planes and we still living in trees. If all intellectual then, still you will be thinking ..among intellectualest of inteclectual ..there will be small intellectual, medium intelllectual n most intellectual and intellectual of intellecutallest. Fcking kidding me . enough is enough ..you get one life, got nothing to prove nobody ...hopefully nobody gets AIDS or cancer here, fcking judge...and who the fck is judge ..we human fcking people, judgin our own kind, based on what ..sissi pwat ...vaag jathoooo muzziiiii
8848m · Aug 6, 2012 10:28 PM
Undeniably genuine question, alas, posted by a hypocrit who has been found himself doing the same in several other threads.
bittertruth · Aug 6, 2012 11:29 PM
FYI, sajha is not a blog, it's a discussion forum. May be it has blog feature deepened somewhere else. And it's best preferred to say others as sajha user or sajha forum members rather than 'sajhaiits'. Where did this word 'sajhaaits' come from? Before you question about others intellect, it's better to acknowledge your own first. :D No hard feelings :D I liked your post, I would ask the same to others.
bittertruth · Aug 6, 2012 11:34 PM
Kiddo, One of the resolution to your concern is, we all could champion in refraining from posting on threads generated with little uprightness or generated flippantly. But again, that is not going to happen because people always will look for posts that will be a little sensitive in nature. I often find myself replying on threads that propagate hatred and bigotry when I could have easily done without. So partly I am ‘one’ of those people you are speaking of. But here is a difference; I refute an argument only when I have a substantial ground to bolster my point, and when there is someone who pitches in a stronger argument than mine, I gladly retreat. However, ‘screwing up’ a well written post is something I have always struggled to understand. But maybe it is an individual’s insecurity that leads him/her to do so. For example, here is an original post – “ Shristi Shrestha is a good looking person, I hope she wins Miss World pageant” And then there is a reply like this – “Miss world my rear side, my friend banged her in Maitidevi” Funny someone mentioned Nas above, his reply used to be exactly in similar fashion until he decided to beguile most of us since 2008 with his new soul-distilling analytical avatar. I am not being negative; I am just simply stating the fact. This type of argument is uncalled for, and with little connection to the content, but we mostly do that for some reason. One of the reasons could be her fame and prettiness we do not have a chance of beating against, plain jealousy as you might say, the insecurity that a fellow Nepalese is so pretty and popular, you just want to either kill her or kill yourself. And the other reason could be we cannot live without posting something witty, cunning, negative that makes us believe we are better than the rest. Also, the competition to garner ‘likes’ in sajha plays a pivotal part as well. You might be amazed how many people ‘like’ sarcasm. But then there is another reply to the same post – “She is so ‘preety’, she looks like ‘Angleina Joli’, go Nepal. We are Nepali, we are Gorkhali, our blood is warm, and we need to support our sister Shristi” Again, we all have a little issue with this post because for one, the poster is so smitten by her beauty and his/her nepali pride that he/she doesn’t even care about spelling mistakes. This is jingoism, which could lead to a little combativeness if a woman from a neighboring country beats her. I personally have issue on this post because the poster has little visibility about the beauty pageant. More or less like a reverse situation where one ‘likes’ a status in facebook where one says ‘I am so sad my dad passed away yesterday’. And then there is one more reply to this post – “ She is very beautiful, and seems promising, but the questionnaire round could be a little hard on her considering she struggles to get her point across, I have my fingers crossed, may she win” This is perhaps the MOST MUNDANE AND EQUIVOCAL reply to the original post because it lacks spice, sarcasm and thrill and is very likely to get unnoticed unless the person with the second type of reply comes ahead and says ‘what makes you think she cannot speak English you ‘jakass’ I know I am rambling, but then there are lots of variables that come into play in such replies. Our upbringing, our aspirations, our principles, our attitudes, our insecurities, our pool of friends, the environment we live in all play their own part in crafting our outlook. We cannot change it unless we completely overhaul our beliefs. I support argument, but I do not support belligerence. I support wit and humor, but I do not support rebukes and sarcasm. There is a thin line between these extremes that people often fail to acknowledge. That is why we are who we are. Time to Yawn. Last edited: 07-Aug-12 09:13 AM
behoove_me · Aug 7, 2012 9:11 AM
bittertruth · Aug 7, 2012 11:33 AM
Behoove_me "Our upbringing, our aspirations, our principles, our attitudes, our insecurities, our pool of friends, the environment we live in all play their own part in crafting our outlook. We cannot change it unless we completely overhaul our beliefs." Well said, and the one and the only truth.
Vhootee · Aug 7, 2012 11:41 AM
Thank you vhootee, I might not be correct hundred percent as I spoke of those variables since all of us are different. But from a personal standpoint I grew up resenting a certain ethnicity/caste only because my racist/castist grandfather made derogatory comments about them all the time. And since I was expected to be under his tutelage and respect him without a slightest doubt on my mind.,I had retained that prejudice until I was 14. Therefore I think I 'slightly' empathize with people whose beliefs and actions might have gestated out of their upbringing and environment they were raised in, some life changing events, some criticism they have received etc.. However it does not hold true for all, some of us are above and beyond all that and we develop our own nobility irrespective of what happened to us.
behoove_me · Aug 7, 2012 12:35 PM
Well said beehove_me.. its always fun to read your post :) A forum full of different thoughts, is bound to cause a discussion. One might agree and many will oppose, and vice versa. Expecting people to talk straight and be sensible cannot be expected here or in any forums unless we all come from the same background with the same thoughts. But then things would be boring!! Kiddo, many said you are a hypocrite, I dont know how you wrote earlier, but this is a genuine matter, apprently will do no good here and will remain just a post at the end of the day!! Just my thoughts, no offence intended..
mercynova · Aug 7, 2012 12:57 PM
I almost had my hopes crushed as the kind of replies I was seeing were the very ones I talk about in the original post. Then there comes few sensible ones that give me some hope. I will address each comment below: I have spent more time here in US than in Nepal and yet I feel I belong to Nepal. I however am still struggling to gauge what are we, as a community. I have a firm belief that Government is an extension of its people; you can blame it thousand times on a corrupt leader but it is you who is responsible for the leader to get there. If we are having Nepal bandhs, load shedding - maybe we have the inadequacies that lead to those issues. My quest was to find out if the inadequacy stem from the intellect or not. Most of the postings I read here lack any sense of maturity and hence I wanted to ask that question. If we indeed lack that intellect, maybe we can do something together. If we acknowledge that the problem is within us may be we can work towards the solution. We point our fingers to the corrupt leaders, but how many times have we tried to bribe a traffic back home? How many times have we used nepotism to bypass that long line in a government office? If we acknowledge that the change has to come from us, maybe we can build a better Nepal? Okay, that was a little too much; let's stay in the context of Sajha...maybe we can have a better and more meaningful discussion? I enjoy satires and humorous post now and then, but childish bantering and name calling is just too pathetic. Now coming back to the replies: MaGorkhe1: Thanks for the headsup. Quarterback: The good thing about Nas was that he had a good mind to debate. He knew most of the stuff he was arguing about. THat's the good part... 8848m: This is the kind of post I talk about in my original post. Using curse word doesn't make add any umph to a sentence, it just makes it more hollow. bittertruth: Bittertruth, I never claimed to be a great person and I said that in my last post already; how would that make me a hypocrit? Can't a small person ask these kind of questions? Plus, please give an example, of my past postings, where I sound like hypocrit. I am genuinely curious. I actually have found your postings not to be senseless, just so you know; a little surprise that you felt that about my posting. Maybe I must have pulled your chain in some past posts, don't take it too seriously..this is but an internet persona. behoove_me: Your post gave me some hope and made me come back and post this response. I have enjoyed your writings in the past and you were one of the person I had in mind when I said, "still remember few posters who would contribute very intellectually to a thread." Mercynova: I agree with you. I don't have a problem with diversity of opinions. A forum is bound to have few meaningless posts; but when it 99% of the posts are meaningless-kids banters, I find it a little too much. I still have hopes, I have hopes that more content rich postings will rise up; more intellectual discussion will take place. I sure hope name calling stops though.
Kiddo · Aug 7, 2012 1:39 PM
kiddo it is an irony that in your response to bittertruth about his accusation of hypocrisy, you hint that you may have pulled his chain since this is only an internet persona doing it.
rethink · Aug 7, 2012 1:51 PM
You might be right rethink, although I don't understand how that is hypocritic. Just because these are our internet persona, doesn't mean we need to act childish and talk jibberish. Sensible discussion doesn't need to be anchored on real life persona only. Many times I have noticed people holding grudges for too long. I forget whose chains I have pulled, but when I see a hate posting directed to my postings for no apparent reason, I immediately know that I must have offended him/her in the past. I don't have a problem offending a poster if he/she deserves it.
Kiddo · Aug 7, 2012 2:06 PM
kiddo, I apologize if my comment sounded attacking on your post. It was just a critique, I also ended my last sentence confessing that I infact liked the genuine nature of the question , care to scroll up and read it again? :D I don't have any qualm towards you. we're cool :D and if you think I've been holding grudge, you don't know me yet then :D lemme give you the straight from my heart answer to your question, ' we are all monkeys, parading streets vandalizing public properties for no obvious goal but for mere amusement and fulfill ridiculous demands, ..and those monkeys are ruled by another group of orangutan, there are many other monkeys with every color and castes and they're even more dangerous. few of the monkeys those flew to other countries have become chimpanzees who act differently than monkeys in Nepal. If you are looking for how can we overcome this problem of our attitude, oh well, we need paramount evolutionary changes, every of those monkey's DNA's shall be altered else there is no prompt hope to be seen, when I wrote about to change DNA, it's implied as impossible for now. For another 200 years, there is no hope that's for sure, or if some godly figure take over and tame those monkeys, then only we've a ray of hope, else forget about it, keep muttering and just observe silly stupid monkeys doing their things :D "
bittertruth · Aug 7, 2012 3:05 PM
Everybody have right to speak and the thing which doesn't make sence one guy may make sence to another guy sitting behind another computer. Everybody is different and everybody brain is different .judging on the basis of writing is like judging gajadi of kathmandu .
intelligentguy · Aug 7, 2012 5:49 PM
Seems like somebody just watched chimpangee or may be ape movie before commenting o well again who am I to judge
intelligentguy · Aug 7, 2012 5:52 PM
Oh Kiddo , I am so sorry , Now I have changed No cusing ...uhhh uhaaa ...I am going to be intellect just like you ...Intellectuals of sajha ...My respect ..Fking monkeys...fck off ,...drama n shiat here, Look monkeys , you are just another animal who thinks is superior than other ...Piece of shiat Stack ..
8848m · Aug 7, 2012 9:48 PM
I guess we're similar to bhedas more than monkeys. Examples: - Manisha Koirala is divorced; oh yea? it is definitely her fault as she had so many affairs - Baburam is hero of our nation - Shristi Shrestha mumbled during an interview before she knows she's going to be Miss Nepal. She's not REAL Nepali; we should all despise her. - Some ethnicity wants to form a group; Let's ridicule them. - A customer raised a valid point against Bhatbhateni; we show the thousand reasons why it is customer's fault - We were so convinced that Prachanda's son will bring peace and constitution from government-funded honeymoon trip to Everest. - Some US educated students return Nepal; they're definitely LOSERs and I have thousand reasons to prove that.
nepcha1 · Aug 7, 2012 11:18 PM
Naa neither we r Veda nor we r monkey we are good human being capable of socializing and doing good things just like coin as two sides all the points nepcha presented can be discussed in two ways .
intelligentguy · Aug 8, 2012 6:41 AM
Look Intellectguy Monkey, Each Monkeys are just Different. No matter how much your fcking cow dung in head try to generalize them by States, Caste, color, Or job type or interest or gender or fcking dickk or pussy , still two monkeys put in same category gonna be different physically and mentally. Lot of experiments are done on intellectual monkeys and real monkeys and still conclusion is the fcking same. From the first day, 4 millions years back when first fcking bacteria got his arse in earth , its other sibling or offsprings has been always diffrent. Period. So, Your category this aint gonna work here. Human fcking being * Monkeys* are also individually diffrent just like any other animals in fcking globe. Talking of socalizing and doing good things like fcking bitach and making little monkeys, that is our instinct shiat stack. Sides of coin or pangras of raath whatever the fck your anology may be , MOnkeys are just complicated machines and outcomes of nature. And within ourselves, each monkey might have more curisity ..fking taking robots to mars or fcking just chill the fck down and smoke weed and watch it landing in mars and saying " see them monkeys, finnally took robot to mars". Some others just follow leaders just like fcking vedas or Some just dont give flying fck !! You are comparing apples and oranges in each individual case here...meaning each Monkeys are different than others. Take em shiat easy and roll with what you have got...If you aint got that cow dung to figure simple shiat out ..then you are just another moneky who is confused with society and nature. Fellas calling themselves intellect are just dumb as fck ...their mind is confused trying to figure things out that unimportant in life and Finally excuse my launguages bitaches , that just the way it is. Shait if not cussing makes you intellectual, than your dad would be fcking genius. Monkeys !!! Monkeys !!! Mokeys !!!
8848m · Aug 8, 2012 12:34 PM
Why do most discussions follow the same pattern ? (not just here, I've seen it on youtube and elsewhere as well). Someone brings up a topic, someone else writes down something completely unrelated, another person starts swearing, someone else decides to bring up race, caste and other dividing issues, and there is always someone who writes in English that is really difficult to comprehend (although the option to type in Nepali is right there). This is getting boring. I miss the intelligent (for the lack of a better term) trolls from people like 28th amendment and geology tiger. Peace, durbarmargnepal
durbarmargnepal · Aug 8, 2012 1:58 PM
Why Why Fking cry baby ...Why the fck your dad fcked your mom and you were born ? Why earth is round n fcking sun is hot ? Why Why ? Why you still fcking dumb Ass ? Why why fcking you are nepali ? Why you got no Puzzy ? Why you smell like PUKe ? Lot a question rite...keep figuring out these shiats you stack of shiat ? YOu miss them ...dont you ..obvisiously you want everything to go smooth in your life, in sajha blog, in nepal , in world ...fcking monkey have no clue what is going in the world...just always wondering Why Why ? Ask your dad why you worship cow when american eat the shiat outta it ? Fcking why Monkey. P.S. The Big WHY Why the fck people have to walk, talk , reply thread the way your monkey arse wants? Why The fck you judge people ? Why the fck you want world to act the way your cow dung head wish? Why the fck you feel better when somebody talks in asslicking way ? Why the fck there are so many whys for this why monkey clown ? Last edited: 08-Aug-12 02:56 PM
8848m · Aug 8, 2012 2:41 PM
8848 m, someday, you will find yourself, and you will be disappointed. I wish I had a lower IQ so that I could understand what exactly you are trying to say. I would love to insult you, but you wouldn't understand. Peace.
durbarmargnepal · Aug 8, 2012 3:37 PM
I actually liked 8848m's comment, now all sensitive sissies are coming after you, these monkeys are going to chatter against you :D just be prepared :D
bittertruth · Aug 8, 2012 3:37 PM
I kinda liked 8848's comment too except some cussing words :-D He is got the point.
Allegro · Aug 8, 2012 3:45 PM
My reaction to these types of discussion:
rali145 · Aug 8, 2012 4:28 PM
Here's where 8848's point backfire. When you're pointing your finger, rest of 4 fingers are pointing back at you. You said, Why you judge people? Who says durbarmargnepal was judging? You just "judged" Durbarmargnepal as being a judge. You ask why the response has to be his way? Then why should his response be YOUR way? If this has twisted your mind enough, relieve it by cussing on me now. Go ahead, see if I care. Durbarmargnepal, you forgot "and" between the "intelligent troll" (in your second last post) when you gave example of Geology Tiger and 28th ammendment. I am trying to bend to their level to see things from their POV.
Kiddo · Aug 8, 2012 4:34 PM
Look fcking monkey kiddo, when you are making a fist too, all your fingers fcking point at you but guess who gets the punch ...your fcking monkey arse. Don't come up with that old jesus fcking christ saying that even does not shake a single fcking pubic hair. Exactly why the fck judge Monkeys ? No fcking ellaboration. Period Who says? What the fck you mean who says ? Was his post directed to your punk arse ? N last n fcking least , your arse cant talk outta this shiat , In your fck dam opening statement , your were fcking commanding posters not do this, that blaah blaah ...fcking had to be in your criteria to comment in this puzzy arse post. shiat tell your mini monkeys to do this n that...we all grown ups... I know what the fck i am doing here....Only fck word used...Omg he started cushing, wtf wrong with you people...get over this shiat.. N final fcking question ...telll me what is "8848m" way ? Any Statement Saying Do this ? Just dont come up with fcking monkey ass things here !!! m Done for this thread !! Peace monkeys N appreciate your support !!! Intellectual Monkeys !!
8848m · Aug 8, 2012 11:17 PM
Human being that's all we all r now the thing is we r judging each other just by looking at nick and writing style. There is written in back page of guest book of nima book prakashan don't judge the book by its cover and in the front old is god if ur really intelligent u will understand the true meaning of it. Monkey ape human being chimpangee they are all different just to let u know u .
intelligentguy · Aug 9, 2012 9:53 AM
this is a great topic
laffinbuddha · Aug 14, 2022 6:35 PM
Yeah, I attached the link to a monkey's thread. Hope he will read it before commenting.
Logan · Aug 15, 2022 11:38 AM
nb with a brain uses sajha
harkasampang · Aug 15, 2022 11:58 AM
@harke aka small dik harry My name literally is Brain and i use sajha!
Brain_Adams · Aug 15, 2022 1:22 PM
jaadabaanta
Loganbennedictboka76 · Aug 16, 2022 1:25 AM
@Brain aka batho keto Good for you!
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