Been there for a long period of my life, have joined many groups and organizations. After a while I've realized being true to my self, atheist movement in itself is an organized religion. It makes sense and it feels good to each individual about the whole experience of atheism, but the force to form a group to be recognized and have some legal rights and be known of our existence has gone back to what they were against - organized religion in the first place. In a nut shell, aethist movement has has become a religion. Calling themselves non-conformist, they have set themselves as conformist by following their ideology. It's the rule of the nature, anything that gets big, becomes a organized institution. So it's all fine on individual level, but when atheist groups show up in the news demanding this and that, it's all BS-just like any other religion.

Rewire · Dec 20, 2010 1:36 PM

so what is the purpose of ur post..what do u want to know the count for..?

pilot23 · Dec 20, 2010 1:42 PM

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dekchidriver · Dec 20, 2010 2:10 PM

To believe in nothing is a belief. Having no faith is a faith in itself. And people will do anything to prove for their belief. The best comes out of soul searching. Peace 

subrath · Dec 20, 2010 2:26 PM

Don't believe in existence of different gods but I do believe in some super intelligent creature/power. Don't have a problem with anyone who spends quarter of their awaken life in hymns and praying. I believe I am agnostic rather than atheist.

default061 · Dec 20, 2010 4:25 PM

Genetics and Evolution is new field of biology and science compared to thousand years old God Myth. New generation of genetic engeneering has started harvesting organs in animals or at least plasma and antibodies. The science itself had begun its way from late 16th century from discovery of gravity to its way to the technology in palm of hand. The earth itself is proven to be existed in universe for 4.5 billion years, 1/5 of universe age, and one billion years ago the highest intelligence creature living on earth was earthworm. Who would have thought earthworm would end up being a intelligent and complex human being after thousands of generation, from sea to land. The advanced technology will be magic (impossible) to us like televisions and phone or lunar travel would be to our great grandfather. 50 years ago, a blind person used to be blind for entire life and now organs are harvested and exchanged. Scientists are able to clone, watch closely womb of mother from zygote to its way out of womb. We are at golden age of science and from 500 years from now, technology will be able to store organs like eye, lung from a single cell, instead of burrowing. The brain has been always mystery for science and less of it is only known now but as time passes more exploration will be done with it more mysteries will be unfolded.   The universe itself has evolved from evolution, sun being third generation star. There might be extraterrestial living in this vast cosmos with billions of galaxies but being a intelligent creature so called "God" who governs the laws of life, enviroment and universe is neil. The math that need thousand pages is calculated by softwares in blink of eye. The artificial brain calculates results, all we have to do is analyse and derive conclusion. Any other animals would not worry about god or would not search answer to why? How should be question asked rather than why? From cave man to the credit card man, the journey is of 300,000s of generation and in next 300,000 nobody knows whats our future is. We dont need god to have things happen. The religious books are creation of intelligent imaginative philosophers who had one day imagined people would fly or any other dids that were considered only superpowers can do which are now being proven via science. The star war fiction stories and movies will be reality unless we destroy ourselves. God will be tale of future generation like we talk about some race in Africa beating drum to make rain. Agnostic is phase of transition, from theist belief being feed from society and parents to atheist belief with self acknowledgement. Agnostic will turn atheist if some doubts, questions and mysteries are unfolded in near future. I doubt a new born kid would wonder about god, if his parents do not mention the name of it.  1= ATHEIST , 7= ATHEIST I scale myself to 6.7. 0.3% is faith which has given possibilities there might be one or beleif that was introduced from time birth till now which could not be completely eradicated. P.S atheist is not a religion, its beleiving in nothing meaning : god or any other superpower. It is just a name given to people who do not believe in higher power. Last edited: 20-Dec-10 06:17 PM

8848m · Dec 20, 2010 5:47 PM

Insider Reveals 21st Century Illuminati Agenda In a book Henry Kissinger called "brilliant and provocative..difficult to dismiss," Illuminati Jewish insider Jacques Attali confirms that the Illuminati bankers are imposing a hideous "Brave New World" on mankind, one divorced from goodness, truth or reality.   (for henrymakow.com)  A Brief History of The Future by Jacques Attali (2006) outlines the elite's agenda for the 21st Century. A French Jew (he recently told the European Jewish Congress the world's Jewish population needs to rise to 200 million),  Attali is a high-level technocrat working to fulfill the New World Order. Jacques Attali has a varied CV.  For ten years he worked as an adviser to former French President Francois Mitterrand. In 1980, he started the European program Eurêka (a major European program on new technologies that invented, among other things, the MP3). In 1991, he co-founded the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development.  He is also at the origin of the higher education reform, known as LMD, designed to bring all European degrees into line. He has also written a glowing account of Karl Marx, arguing that Marx was a free-marketeer who favored capitalism as a stepping-stone to his Communist ideal and predicted globalization as we know it today (i.e. the New World Order). In 'A Brief History of The Future' Attali predicts that this century will unfold in three distinct phrases. 1.   Super-empire= an era of privatization where corporations rule the day.  He writes, "money will finally rid itself of everything that threatens it- including nation states, which it will progressively dismantle." The market will become the world's only recognized law. A system of power whose 'structures remain elusive but whose goal is global.' 2.   Hyperconflict = super-empire will implode and there will be a period of worldwide chaos. Starting about 2030,  Attali foresees 'devastating wars, pitting nations, religious groups, terrorist entities, and free-market pirates against one another'. 3.   Hyperdemocracy (2060)= Exhausted by wars and social upheavals the world public will welcome with open arms 'the creation of a democratic world government.' It will be a collectivist system, with everyone working towards the 'common good.' I have selected a few themes to give you a flavor of the book.    (Jacques Attali, left) Illuminati  Sexuality In the future, people will no longer bond and create families. 'The couple will no longer be the principal base for life and sexuality. [People] will prefer to choose, in full transparency, polygamous or polyandrous loves.' The driving force of this trend is technology that frees youth from parental control. The first was the radio, which allowed the young: 'To dance outside the ballrooms and therefore be free of parental supervision- liberating sexuality, opening them to all kinds of music, from jazz to rock, and thus announcing youth's entry into the world of consumption, of desire, and of rebellion.' A media-dominated culture will create an egocentric populace who 'will be loyal only to themselves.'   With lovers failing to mate for life, 'the world will be no more than a juxtaposition of solitudes, and love a juxtaposition of masturbations.' The elite goal is to remove love from sex so that they control reproduction.  Attali writes that in the twentieth century, society 'sought to evacuate the reproductive role of sexuality by making motherhood artificial, by using increasingly sophisticated methods- pills, pre-mature labor, in vitro fertilization, surrogate mothers.' In the future, society 'will even go so far as to dissociate reproduction and sexuality.  Sexuality will be the kingdom of pleasure, reproduction that of machines.' Future generations 'will manufacture the human being like a made-to-measure artifact, in an artificial uterus, which will allow the brain to further develop with characteristics chosen in advance. The human being will thus have become a commercial object.' Surveillance Attali paints a picture of a surveillance society that would make the Stasi wince. Even our washing machines will be conspiring against us,  while the 'packaging of food products, clothing vehicles, and household goods will become "communicative."' We will live with untrustworthy robots. 'Domestic robots will become universal in daily life. They too will be constantly connected to high-output grids in nomadic ubiquity. They will function as domestic help, as aids for the handicapped or aged, as workers and as members of security forces. In particular they will become "Watchers."' All our data will be collected by public and private security firms.  The main form of surveillance will be portable entertainment devices. The embryo of this today is the iPhone that sends data to the NSA. 'The unique nomadic object will be permanently traceable. All the data it contains, including images of everyone's daily life, will be stored and sold to specialist businesses and to public and private police.' By 2050, these machines will have evolved into what Attali calls 'self-surveillance machines' that will allow everyone to monitor his own compliance with the norms. We will monitor our consumption of water, energy and raw materials. We will even have the 'opportunity to measure, permanently or periodically, the parameters of [our] own body.' 'Electronic bugs, worn subcutaneously, will ceaselessly register heartbeat, blood pressure, and cholesterol. Microprocessors connected to various organs will watch their functioning as compared to the norms.' Living insecure and chaotic lives, we will be dependent on insurance companies for security. These companies will make sure their clients 'conform to norms to minimize the risks ... They will gradually come to dictate planetary norms (What to eat? What to know? How to drive? How to protect oneself? How to consume? How to produce?)' These companies will be ruthless. 'They will penalize smokers, drinkers, the obese, the unemployable, the inadequately protected, the aggressive, the careless, the clumsy, the absentminded, the spendthrift. Ignorance, exposure to risks, wasting, and vulnerability will be considered diseases.' Prisons 'will be gradually replaced by long-distance surveillance of a person under house arrest.' Immigration Immigration flows will expand and submerge nation states.  'Great Britain will become a major host country, especially for citizens of Central European countries. The latter will in their turn welcome Ukrainian workers, themselves replaced by Russians, themselves replaced by vast Chinese populations.' Resistant countries will learn that a population inflow 'is the condition of their survival.'  In a sinister passage, Attali speaks of third-world hordes engulfing the West. 'Ever more numerous masses will hurl themselves at the gates of the West. They already number hundreds of thousands every month; that figure will increase to millions, then tens of millions.' The United States will be the most popular destination and 'In twenty years, the Hispanic and African-American populations will almost constitute a majority in the United States.' Nomadism will also become the norm in the West, 'more and more people will leave one country for another: there will soon be more than ten million of them switching countries every year. Our main incentive will be money, but many will leave because they are disgusted by their homeland. 'They [will] no longer want to depend on a country whose tax system, legislation, and even culture they reject. And also to disappear completely, to live another life. The world will thus be increasingly filled with people who have become anonymous of their own free will; it will be like a carnival where everyone - ultimate freedom! - will have chosen a new identity for himself.' Future Of The US The dollar will remain dominant until at least 2025, when foreign backers will start abandoning it and 'the credit pyramid, based on the value of American housing, will collapse.' The US will then start disintegrating, with violence and chaos ensuing. Attali states, 'it will not be tomorrow's Africa that will one day resemble today's West, but the whole West that could tomorrow evoke today's Africa.' The US will then have to redesign its government to regain control. 'The United States could then become a Scandinavian-style social democracy, or a dictatorship - and even perhaps one after the other. It would not be the first time such a surprise occurred: the first leader to apply the principles required to emerge from the crisis of the [last depression] was Mussolini; the second was Hitler. Roosevelt only came third.' As chaos and violence engulfs the world, Christianity and Islam will strengthen. The Bible belt region in the Southern US will mobilize and could dominate US politics. 'The United States could then around 2040 fall prey to a theocratic temptation, explicit or implicit, in the shape of theocratic isolationism in which democracy would be no more than a shadowy presence.' This Christian movement could be used in a war against a mobilized Islam, which would presumably weaken and discredit both religions.  An international Christian alliance 'could well form alliances here and there with secular pirates and traffickers in arms, women and drugs.' This alliance will 'stand face to face against Islam  - and the struggle will be relentless. They will defend Christians in countries where they are a minority, as in Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Syria.' Before the end of century the US will be disintegrated and under the authority of a collectivist world government. Last edited: 20-Dec-10 11:41 PM

rid · Dec 20, 2010 11:36 PM

nas, at bohemian grove.....its not a fake human effigy but a real live child sacrifice like in the picture

rid · Dec 20, 2010 11:48 PM

http://www.moneyteachers.org/M... Atheism is a modern creation that sprouted from the two corrupting philosophies of Nihilism and Materialism. Friedrich Nietzsche, the Satanic Psychopath that helped promote nihilism and atheism, gave us the following words of wisdom: * After coming into contact with a religious man I always feel I must wash my hands... * All credibility, all good conscience, all evidence of truth come only from the senses.  * Although the most acute judges of the witches and even the witches themselves, were convinced of the guilt of witchery, the guilt nevertheless was non-existent. It is thus with all guilt. * Convictions are more dangerous foes of truth than lies. * Every church is a stone on the grave of a god-man: it does not want him to rise up again under any circumstances. * Faith: not wanting to know what is true. * Fear is the mother of morality. * Glance into the world just as though time were gone: and everything crooked will become straight to you. * God is a thought who makes crooked all that is straight * I cannot believe in a God who wants to be praised all the time. * In Christianity neither morality nor religion come into contact with reality at any point. * Is man one of God's blunders? Or is God one of man's blunders? Nietsche and his philosophy were the creations of the Bavarian Illuminati. The major Christian religions, with the help of Satanic infiltrators, had become corrupted by both power and greed. Yet, the exchange of one vice for another can hardly be called a virtue. Free-Masonry was established as an alternative to the mainstream religions, and appeared attractive to those disillusioned with a tyrannical Papacy, militant Protestantism, or the Anglican Church as a tool of the British Monarchy. Free-Masonry is Luciferianism diluted. It proposes that all truth can only be discovered by the physical senses and the Scientific method. In reality, both corrupt Christianity and cold Luciferianism deny the existence of the True God, and seek to make gods of mere selfish mortals. In the inspired words of Joseph Smith: "34  Behold, there are many called, but few are chosen. And why are they not chosen? 35 Because their hearts are set so much upon the things of this world, and aspire to the honors of men, that they do not learn this one lesson— 36 That the rights of the priesthood are inseparably connected with the powers of heaven, and that the powers of heaven cannot be controlled nor handled only upon the principles of righteousness. 37 That they may be conferred upon us, it is true; but when we undertake to cover our sins, or to gratify our pride, our vain ambition, or to exercise control or dominion or compulsion upon the souls of the children of men, in any degree of unrighteousness, behold, the heavens withdraw themselves; the Spirit of the Lord is grieved; and when it is withdrawn, Amen to the priesthood or the authority of that man. 38 Behold, ere he is aware, he is left unto himself, to kick against the pricks, to persecute the saints, and to fight against God. 39 We have learned by sad experience that it is the nature and disposition of almost all men, as soon as they get a little authority, as they suppose, they will immediately begin to exercise unrighteous dominion. 40 Hence many are called, but few are chosen. 41 No power or influence can or ought to be maintained by virtue of the priesthood, only by persuasion, by long-suffering, by gentleness and meekness, and by love unfeigned; 42 By kindness, and pure knowledge, which shall greatly enlarge the soul without hypocrisy, and without guile—" (Source) In reality, there are no Atheists. Only disillusioned and rebellious souls that have not learned to distinguish between the works of God and the works of men. The key to keeping your faith is a discerning heart that can tell the difference. I can  remain cynical and disillusioned with corrupt men of religion and still worship the True Religion of Jesus Christ. Nietsche, by the way, went insane at the end of his life. The result of a mind that could except some lesser truths, at the expense of far greater ones. The true fruits of those that worship the gods of science, their own senses, and a corrupt carnal mind. The true fruits of worshipping Lucifer, who masquarades as the Prometheus. The fire he claims to have gifted to man, actually came from God, through the light of conscience. The fact that men deny their conscience in their pursuit of pleasure, power and a sensual existence, cannot be blamed on God. If God were to deny men their Liberty and Free will, He would defeat His own Divine purposes and the mortal education of His children. After all, we are here in this temporary condition to learn how to prize the good above the evil. Anything less would make God the very essence of tyranny, and change Him into a foolish mortal or a fallen Lucifer, a virtual impossibility. Our God is a God of Liberty.

rid · Dec 24, 2010 10:32 PM