I have a dream too - of this Dr. Death, his ugly wife and their boss all swining from their necks with Prabhakaran and Saddam Husseing waiting to escort them to hell. Except, it won't be long before this becomes a reality and they will hang, separately or together is irrelevant.

Peter Bagdas · May 17, 2009 11:16 AM

Lies, lies, and more lies. This is how communists around the World thrive upon poor people.

gajjab · May 17, 2009 11:45 AM

great we saw prachanda's singapore and switzerland dream which was later justified by his video tape someday we will have a video tape released that this mentally retarded phsyco doctor, disatisfied with his wife,  raping some cantonment girls; cant even make a peaceful nepal and dream of US and europe instead i have a dream have a whole big garbage container the size of tudikhel  full of shit, mud, garbage etc etc. have all these maoist terrorists and their supporters drowned in the shit slurry and locked inside that filthy container that they suffocate to death.  

sYaKuuRiolAKU_nchImb · May 17, 2009 11:46 AM

You guys are pathetic! Despite all his wrongdoings, at least give the guys some benefit of doubt. Do you guys even analyze whether he tried during his Finance Ministership or not? When you put everyone in the same bag, regardless of whether he is trying or not, you are doing an even bigger crime. Its because of people like you that even guys who are honest and want to make some change in the country feel discouraged and frustrated.

HowardRoark · May 17, 2009 12:32 PM

You guys are pathetic! Despite all his wrongdoings, at least give the guys some benefit of doubt. Do you guys even analyze whether he tried during his Finance Ministership or not? When you put everyone in the same bag, regardless of whether he is trying or not, you are doing an even bigger crime. Its because of people like you that even guys who are honest and want to make some change in the country feel discouraged and frustrated. Last edited: 17-May-09 12:32 PM

HowardRoark · May 17, 2009 12:32 PM

HowardRoark - it's all right to come up with a statement like "Despite all his wrongdoings.." You got that one right. Now tell us how much money are the Maoist terrorists paying you to post outside mysansar? Be gone back to your kind.

Peter Bagdas · May 17, 2009 1:02 PM

Baburam and his ideas are bad but given the other options Nepal has, he proved himself to be the best finance minister so far Nepal had. He is still the bad apple among worse apples in Nepal. Baburam's ideas are conflicting, his past is questionable, and his party is shady but unfortunately even with all those backdraws he is still the best person who can get things done in NEPAL. Most people bash Baburam as if their guy is going to make a difference. Lets not kid ourselves with Baburam's alternatives, who care curropt and deshdrohi. And people who advocate for those deshdrohi's are nothing but waiting for resources of nepal to trickle down to their own pockets. Leaders who follow such sentiments and people who advocate those ideas has made us Indian slaves.  I do not agree with Maoism but i would not run away from saying that Baburam had been the best finance minister Nepal has ever seen in its History regardless of his past. Baburam is not the most righteous person but there is not another finance minister in Nepal who is as competent as he is at his job.

sidster · May 17, 2009 1:15 PM

HowardRoark, I definately do agree on your statement: "When you put everyone in the same bag, regardless of whether he is trying or not, you are doing an even bigger crime." We do have to judge people on individual basis.

Poon-Hill · May 17, 2009 1:22 PM

How the hell are people claiming him the best finance minister?????? Do you guys even know how he collected revenue and where is that revenue going? Did you ever hear why he collected that revenue...thats just to provide more fundings for terrorism and his YCLs and PLAs. Ok, please provide me some proof of why this bastard terrorist is the best finance minister? I consider this guy as the worst finance minister (I don wanna talk about his wife..the most corrupted minister ever). Whoever claims this guy as the best, he/she must have been paid by maoists (and of course, paid by the revenue collected as a "tax" from some hard working Nepalses). Only maoists bharaute and terrorists like his act..nobody else..Period.

pyaari kt · May 17, 2009 2:10 PM

Let me make this easier for people who think he was not the best bad apple among all the rotten apples Nepal has. Go ahead and name one finance minister that was better than Baburam. And if you are able to name one, according to your therory, you must by paid by that Desh Drohi...lol Peace !!!

sidster · May 17, 2009 3:14 PM

Sidster - the answer to your question is all of them that preceded Dr. Death. Why? We respect your right to defend these terrorists. But please don't tell us that terrorism is a relative term and that there are good and bad terrorists. Terrorists are just that -bad. And they deserve liquidiation. And they can look forward to the LTTE's fate.

Peter Bagdas · May 17, 2009 3:32 PM

Sidster,                   You might have thought the same thing with your beloved PM Puspa Kamal Dahal as well before the following video was released right? i.e Best Prime Minster nepal ever had. http://www.nepalnews.com/archi...

Gaine · May 17, 2009 3:44 PM

pyarikt is the dumb a*# motherfcker i ever seen here..he neither does have any points nor any logic,all he does is freakn run his bloody mouth.....dude ya r pathetic,try to make sense while ya write sth... fckn 2 cents!!

syd_acid · May 17, 2009 3:46 PM

Peter, If you are just offered a plate full of terrorists to do a certain job then you would pick the best terrorist fitted for the job. Given the list of terrorists including Desh Dhrohi Girija (Hijacking planes, robbing banks, selling countries' resources to India for the sake of his post, and caring least about the people of nepal creating them an enviroment to join backward ideas like Maoism, and working with Army to kill innocent village people in the name of killing Maoists), UML who started their party with the idea of none other than Maos, who killed people, looted the country's resources, and flayed fake dream or equality and communism to innocent people of nepal, or Kamal Thanpa backed by Inbred Royals who were actively killing nepali people for generation....the list goes on and on. There is no such thing as good terrorists, but there is always a hierarchy of worse people. I am not willing to defend any of those terrorists on the list. But if i am forced to pick one of them from the list of terrorist, baburam would be the one i would pick over Girija, Kamal Thapa, or Makune, Ram Sarah Mahat, Pradeep Nepal, cant think of others right now. I know you are trying to come to a conclusion with the information you have in your head and i am coming to the conclusion with the information i have in my head. Sid

sidster · May 17, 2009 3:47 PM

Ok guys now lets forget about previous FMs and see what the best FM did (from my previous post) I wonder why nepali people are paying tax to maoists माओवादी पोस्न १ अर्ब ११ करोड राजिनामा दिएकै दिन २४ करोड किरण भण्डारी, काठमाडौं वैशाख २९ बजेट बिनियोजनको सर्वमान्य मान्यता संविधान कानूनको खिल्ली उडाउँदै अर्थ मन्त्रालयले चार महिनाको अवधिमा करिव १ अर्व ११ करोड रुपैयाँ मन्त्री बाबुराम भट्टराईको ठाडो तोक आदेशको भरमा वितरण गरेको छ। 'जनप्रतिनिधिले मात्र कर तोक्न र खर्च गर्न पाउने' विश्वव्यापी मान्यता तोड्दै माओवादी बोलवाला भएको उपभोक्ता समितिले जिविस मार्फत दिएको निवेदनको आधारमा मन्त्रालयले माघ फागुन चैत र वैशाखमा उक्त रकम बाँडेको हो। उपभोक्ता समितिले जिविस मार्फत दिएको निवेदनलाई आधार मानि उक्त अवधिमा अर्थले पचहत्तर जिल्लामा छ सय भन्दा बढि योजनालाई १ लाखदेखि १ करोड १ लाखसम्म दिएको छ । पुष्पकमल दहालले प्रधानमन्त्रीबाट राजिनामा दिएको दिन मात्र मन्त्रालयले हतार हतार २३ करोड रुपैयाँ भन्दा बढि वितरण गरेको छ । अर्थ स्रोतका अनुसार मन्त्री भट्टराईले २१ गते देशभरका २ सय ८ आठ साना योजनालाई उक्त रकम दिने निर्णय गरेपनि निर्णय मिति भने अघिल्लै दिनको राखिएको छ । ती योजना ३७ जिल्लामा छरिएका छन् । more at nagariknews.com

sYaKuuRiolAKU_nchImb · May 17, 2009 4:01 PM

i dont know what this retarded doctor is dreaming about

sYaKuuRiolAKU_nchImb · May 17, 2009 4:03 PM

A talented Guy but mastermind for false propaganda-------can't believe him.

Krs_84 · May 17, 2009 4:05 PM

this son of bitc* phsyco doctor could also have stopped it if he had any positive mind. dont know what kind of US or europe he is dreaming of and i feel sorry for people who believe in such terrorists बलराम बानियाँ/दीपक दाहाल, काठमाडौ, जेठ २ आठ वर्षअघि वरिष्ठ मुटु रोग विशेषज्ञ भगवान कोइराला कार्यकारी निर्देशक भएर जाादा सहिद गंगालाल हृदय रोग केन्द्रमा बहिरंग सेवामात्र थियो । त्यसले दैनिक १५ बिरामीमात्र जाँच्ने गथ्र्यो । अस्पतालमा न आकस्मिक सेवा थियो, न मुटुको शल्यक्रिया नै हुन्थ्यो । मुटु अस्पताल भन्न लायक थिएन । करोडौंका उपकरण अलपत्र थिए । कोइरालाको आठ वर्ष लामो कुशल नेतृत्वमा यो अस्पतालको कायाकल्प भएको छ । अहिले यो दक्षिण एसियाको उत्कृष्ट मुटु अस्पतालमध्ये पर्छ । यसले जनताको यति ठूलो विश्वास जितेको छ कि जोकोही नेपाली मुटुको जतिसुकै ठूलो रोग लाग्दा पनि यही अस्पताल जान्छन् । यहाँ अहिले सबै प्रकारका मुटुरोगको अत्याधुनिक शल्यक्रिया हुन्छ । अस्पतालमा १ सय ५० शैया छन् । वर्षमा ५० हजारभन्दा बढीको मुटुको उपचार गर्छ । हृदय रोग केन्द्रलाई अन्तर्राष्ट्रियस्तरको अस्पतालका रूपमा विकास गर्नमा कोइरालाको योगदान छ । माओवादी नेतृत्वको सरकारबाट कोइरालाले आठ वर्षे त्यो उत्कृष्ट सेवाको पुरस्कार पाएका छन्- कार्यकारी निर्देशकको पदबाट अवकास । कोइरालालाई यो पुरस्कार दिने मन्त्री हुन् माओवादी नेता गिरीराजमणि पोखरेल । nagariknews

sYaKuuRiolAKU_nchImb · May 17, 2009 4:06 PM

Gaine, Thanks for the Video that is almost three weeks old. Thanks again for your generosity. I do not think very highly of Prachanda. He is just good manager. He is as diplomatic as a corporate manager and he is there to manage Maoist party. But here is my opinion about the video. If Prachanda was really meaning what he was saying in the video then that would make him a worst leader of all time in my list. But if he was saying those things to pursue Maoists Militia who wanted to continue the revolution and did not believe in elections to come down to elections, then i would think that Prachanda's cunningness worked one more time for his succcess. If that was the purpose of those the words he picked on this video he would mean a smart president one more time. But chances for that is probably very slim. I would compare that to Bush's way of calling " Weapon of Mass Destruction" WAR when the war was really about establishing american dominance in the middle east. Please start singing the song on your own tune Gaine than you rant someone over's tune. Peace !!!

sidster · May 17, 2009 4:08 PM

I have not heard much about Bhagwan Koirala but many people are calling him a good person so that chances are he is a good person. If Baburam is firing a good person for political advantage or just to get his folk in the job then it makes him a bad person. It would not make him any different than Desh Dhrohi Congress and Indian Dalals UML. Do you know how much of a check is written by the government daily....lol....there will be 100s of crores written by government in daily expenses....you should keep track of other amounts cashed in after that day too......becasue prachanda is still in power...cant believe people are advocating to freeze the country till the new government is formed. Sid

sidster · May 17, 2009 4:15 PM

Dude...I don't give a rat's A5S how old the video is but he is a retard manager and so called doctor is a retard to be his follower...conclusion is he is NOT the best FM    

Gaine · May 17, 2009 4:15 PM

I am sorry for your bitterness...but i am scared there will not be another FM who will be more qualified than him in Nepal. There are lots of more qualified people in the world but there aren't any in Nepal. I will pray for your healing....as the cure doesn't seem anywhere near peace !!!

sidster · May 17, 2009 4:28 PM

Sidster - what's your point? That because Girija and Makune were sh*t, that makes Dr. Death a good terrorist, a more rounded person and a delightful technocrat? That's just warped. Dr. Death is a terrorist and there are no two ways about it. Don't know what's in your head or why you inist on going for the grey, but I'll tell you what: we can agree to liquidate your friend Dr. Death last. Happy now? Go chill out dude and try to stay away from terrorists and don't be so blase about your retainer from these people. War!

Peter Bagdas · May 17, 2009 4:45 PM

i dont know if best FMs are supposed to give away degree certificates to the PLA cadres i dont know if the best FMs are supposed to give 9 lakhs from sahid (martyr's) money towards buying weapons retarded doctor will laugh at his blind supporters and think that there are more retarded people than myself in the world LOL

sYaKuuRiolAKU_nchImb · May 17, 2009 4:47 PM

qualified in case of Phd, i think ram sharan mahat is also a phd. I know you must be  aware...but qualified to feed his YCL and PLA or to provide more budget to Gorkha (his district) you call it a qualified I dunno about that..

gaine · May 17, 2009 5:13 PM

Dr. Bhattarai is the best FM for the following reasons: 1) He had targeted 8% growth rate and $5000 per capita income in 3-4yrs time. But he reached that target in a year. 2)He said nepal would be switzerland once they are in power. Now look, switzerland is trying to be like nepal. 3) Had a huge travelling budget. Overspent triple the amount. 4) travelled many countries (i can't count how many). Even travelled to japan without invitation. 5) Knows how to generate tax. (Don't care if students miss their SLC, I need money for the guns.) 6) A great preacher of social service. (had implemented YCL to bash up government officers if they did any wrongdoing. may be he too bashed some ) 7) a TRUE FM (always had something to say about other politicians). 8)Fair n equal (Kathmandu and Gorkha got 4 times the money than others. but i don't know who took it.) Guys help me to list them. I am tired.....

jhapaliketo · May 17, 2009 5:20 PM

Did you also hear what he replied to those who were threatened for not supporting maoist and fled to survive from village. This man has nothing as expected.

grishma · May 17, 2009 6:39 PM

grishma...never heard his response about that matter but after hearing masters video their chapters were closed

Gaine · May 17, 2009 6:51 PM

yo myachi..ne nepali haru lai jati gare pani napugne.., ajhai kati lamo jasto sapana ko kura gari ra.., LAA..O KHAA!!  

nepaligorkha · May 17, 2009 7:02 PM

bastards State capture still the goal: Gajurel Kantipur Report NEPALGUNJ, May 17 - A senior Maoist leader said on Sunday that his party has not yet given up the goal of capturing the state.

mandale murdabad · May 17, 2009 9:44 PM

Eh syd acid bhanne kutta, ta maobaadi ko bataase chhoro hos bhanne sabailaai tha chha...ani teri aamaa baburam ko ma jaanthi ki baburam tero ghar maa aauthyo huh, saale malaai sikaaune ta jasto aatankakaaari le???? Ta jasto YCL gundaa le Nepal ko sojho janataalaai tharkaako jasto socheko chhas ki kyaa ho huh eh aatankakaaari kutta?? Tero bau Baburam le k chai gareko chha ra malaai tyasto bhaneko??? Saalaa nepal baata at least Srilanka jasto maatra banaayera dekhaaos ta ma maanchhu....saaale hachuwaa sojho janataa lai jhukkauna America ra Europe jasto banaauchhu re...teri aamaa laai jhooto aaswaasan diyeko jasto ho ra Nepali janataa laai j mann laagyo tyahi bhanne???? Sakne kura po bhannu parchha ta , kutta saaalaa ani ajhai tyasto kura pattyaayera ajhai tyaskai barema ramro bhanne yi aatankakaari kutta haru yahaaa bhukeko dekhera po achamma laagchha baa...saaalaa aatankakkaaaari SYD ACID kutta....

pyaari kt · May 17, 2009 11:34 PM

Mu.uji Hajarau manchee marnii...Baburame bhatta tataa tarai ko kuro mero Gu.lo!! Last edited: 18-May-09 05:41 AM

im05 · May 18, 2009 12:52 AM

माओबादि सत्ता क्यापचर त गर्ला यि खडका जस्ता जोइटिंङ्गरे हरु को साहायता ले के यो पोसिबल छ त? किन यो कुरा को अध्यन गर्दैनन उनिहरु। किन जनता का आवाज सदै हिंसा र आतंक बाट नै बन्द गराउन खोज्छन?  जनता का माझ मा गुलिया कुरा गर्छन तर सधै आफ्ना गल्ति को ढाकछोप गर्न बिदेशि वा  अरु नेपालि पार्टि मा दोष थुपार्छन । भ्यागुतो उफार्ने भन्ने मन्तरि आज पनि सपना मा नै बाँचेको सुन्दा त मलाइ पहिलो बन्दुक उहाँको छात्ति मा हान्न मन लाग्यो? कसले रोकेको थियो, उहाँलाइ बिकास गर्न लाइ? देश लाइ शान्ति दिन गएको सरकार देशको शेनालाइ माओबादि बनाउन चाहान्छ शान्ति र संबिधान भुलेर ? हाहा अबुझ मित्र हो यो एउटा साइकल हो, तिमिहरु को हतियार अरुको हात मा पुगि सकेको छ अब पस तिमिहरु जंगल जित कसको हुने छ। तिमिहरु का उत्पादन थारुबान,तमुवान.....बानै वान धेरै भेसकेका छन। आफ्नो काल आफै निम्ताउदै छौ हेर्दै जाऔ कसले मार्ने छ तिमिहरु लाइ अब ।

sajhabusaima · May 18, 2009 6:32 AM

Ya he has the dream to walk under the asssss of prachande...

raju161 · May 18, 2009 8:25 AM

आव २०६२/६३ को चैत मसान्तसम्ममा ४६ अर्ब ३८ करोड रुपियाँ राजस्व संकलन । आव ०६५/६६ को चैतसम्ममा ९८ अर्ब ६७ करोड रुपियाँ राजस्व संकलन । यस तथ्यांकले चार वर्षको अवधिमा राजस् व दोब्बरभन्दा बढीले वृद्धि भएको स् पष्ट हुन्छ । राजनीतिक अस् िथरता, बन्द, हडताल र बीसघन्टे लोडसेडिङ्ले औद्योगिक वातावरण बिगि्रएको अवस् थामा समेत राजस् वमा भएको उल्लेख्य वृद्धिले मुलुकको आर्थिक अवस् था गएगुज्रेकै अवस् थामा पुगेको छैन भन्ने पुष्टि हुन्छ । आव ०६४/६५ कोे चैत मसान्तसम्ममा ७० अर्ब ८५ करोड रुपियाँ राजस् व असुली भएको थियो । एक वर्षपछिको सोही अवधिमा २८ अर्ब राजस् व बढेर ९८ अर्ब ६७ करोड रुपियाँमा पुग्यो । राजस् व अधिकारीहरूका अनुसार यसअघि राजस् व बढ्दै आए पनि यो अनुपातमा कहिल्यै बढेको थिएन । ०६३/६४ मा ५६ अर्ब ६५ करोड तथा ०६२/६३ को चैत मसान्तसम्ममा मुलुकले राजस् व स्रोतबाट ४६ अर्ब ३८ करोड रुपियाँ हात पारेको थियो । सरकारले चालू आर्थिक वर्षमा १ खर्ब ४० अर्ब रुपियाँ राजस् व संकलन गर्ने लक्ष्य राखेकामा ०६५/६६ को पहिलो नौ महिनामा सबैभन्दा बढी मूल्य अभिवृद्धि करबाट २७ अर्ब ३९ करोड रुपियाँ असुल भएको छ । त्यसैगरी करबाट १९ अर्ब २१ करोड, भन्सारबाट १८ अर्ब ४५ करोड, अन्तःशुल्कबाट १० अर्ब ५७ करोड रुपियाँ संकलन भएको छ भने रजिस् ट्रेसन दस् तुरबापत ३ अर्ब ७८ करोड तथा सवारी साधन करबापत १ अर्ब ७० करोड रुपियाँ राजस् व उठेको छ । अघिल्लो वर्षको सोही अवधिमा मूल्य अभिवृद्धि करबाट २२ अर्ब २२ करोड, करबाट १२ अर्ब ८४ करोड, भन्सारबाट १४ अर्ब ६८ करोड, अन्तःशुल्कबाट ७ अर्ब २९ करोड, रजिस् ट्रेसन दस् तुरबापत २ अर्ब २६ करोड, सवारी साधन करबापत १ अर्ब १५ करोड रुपियाँ राजस् व संकलन भएको थियो । ०६३/६४ को नौ महिनामा मूल्य अभिवृद्धि करबाट १८ अर्ब ४ करोड, करबाट ९ अर्ब ६० करोड, भन्सारबाट ११ अर्ब ८८ करोड, अन्तःशुल्कबाट ५ अर्ब ९३ करोड, रजिस् ट्रेसन दस् तुरबापत १ अर्ब ८७ करोड, सवारी साधन करबापत ६७ करोड रुपियाँ राजस् व संकलन भएको थियो भने ०६२/६३ मा मूल्य अभिवृद्धि करबाट १५ अर्ब ७७ करोड, करबाट ७ अर्ब १५ करोड, भन्सारबाट ११ अर्ब १२ करोड, अन्तःशुल्कबाट ४ अर्ब ५० करोड, रजिस् ट्रेसन दस् तुरबापत १ अर्ब ९१ करोड, सवारी साधन करबापत ६३ करोड रुपियाँ राजस् व संकलन भएको थियो ।  चार वर्षअघि करबापत ७ अर्ब १५ करोड रुपियाँ संकलन भएकामा चालू आर्थिक वर्षमा त्यो रकम १९ अर्ब २१ करोड पुगेको छ । त्यसैगरी, अन्तःशुल्क ४ अर्ब ५० करोडबाट १० अर्ब ५७ करोड नाघेको छ भने सवारी साधन कर ६३ करोडबाट १ अर्ब ७० करोड पुगेको छ । सरकारले नयाँ उपाय अवलम्बन गर्दै राजस् व बढाउन सहयोग पुर्‍याउने कर्मचारीलाई दुई सय प्रतिशतसम्म थप सुविधा दिने नीति लिएको थियो । सेवाग्राही कार्यालयमा लागू गरएिको सोही नीतिका कारण पनि कतिपय कार्यालयले लक्ष्यभन्दा बढी राजस् व संकलन गरेका छन् । लक्ष्य पूरा गर्ने कार्यालयका कर्मचारीले त्यस् तो सुविधा पाउने नियम छ । जस अनुसार, हालसम्म राजधानीस् िथत ठूला करदाता कार्यालय, आन्तरकि राजस् व कार्यालय धरान, भद्रपुरका कर्मचारीले ५० देखि १ सय ५० प्रतिशतसम्म थप सुविधा पाउन सफल भएका छन् ।  Like everyone is saying here, now i would have to agree that Baburam is really a BADASS. We need more badassess like him for the country. Not sure who were collecting taxes in last 4 years but he certainly is collecting more than the last 4 years. I know many people are upset about his past but all i care is whether he can do the job or not regardless of his past. We need more leaders who can deliver, and not YAPP on things about what sajha users want to hear. peace !!! Source: http://www.kantipuronline.com/...

sidster · May 18, 2009 9:20 AM

what is the use of that drain all those royalty to cantonment and walk under the ass of prachander nomatter where it comes from goes to the same place

raju161 · May 18, 2009 10:14 AM

The leakage to the cantonment is very low compared to what is collected. I think what is going to the cantonment is about 1 Arab, and what he is collecting is about 23 Arab more than what has been collected previously. Please correct me if my estimates are incorrect here as i am not sure about the exact numbers allocated for " false numbers" of cantonment militias. Sid

sidster · May 18, 2009 10:32 AM

ha ha ha Atti hasaucha manchey haru ley. Yestaa dream bhayeka manchey haru ta aktti ayee katti gaye. I HAVE A DREAM TOO. Will you trust me my fellow Nepali bhedaaas ? If not then.... why should we trust this TURKEY ?

BathroomCoffee · May 18, 2009 10:37 AM

so what u think 1 arab is 1 paisa or what? think how many poor nepalese would be benefited from that.... to remind you a typical poor nepali earns about 5 dollars a dayi think i analyzed more convert that 1 arab that goes into cantionment and analyse kasto goo budhi bhayako rahesa yo baburam bhattarai ko last time i heard him talking in a program where he was talking about greatness of prachande ..and his move ...lol he is no one if he was that mastermind and that farsighted he would not have allowed the destruction of millions of infrastructures by his cadres in Nepal what you think ...? Raj /

raju161 · May 18, 2009 10:58 AM

Sidster- Agree with you that great Dr. is collecting more money(be as it with the threat) but can you tell us what has he done with that money beside giving with his PLA and party???....pls. don’t tell us about his plans..we all know Maoist never implement any plans unless that benefits them and their party.... I am thinking if educated people like you can easily fall in propaganda of Maoist, how can we imagine millions of other SOJA SHIDA Nepali....????  

Nirvana · May 18, 2009 11:05 AM

Nirvana, Its not about falling into their propoganda.Its about being able to observe the facts. To me there is no difference between Girija, Baburam, Kamal Thapa, KG, or Upendra Mahato. They all have been involved with murdering people one way or the other. But if we were to weigh all those characters with the same benchmark, Baburam outweighs all of the others, possesing the common factor of (murders) with those leaders at least Baburam has proved himself to be the best among the worst. Thats all I am saying. If we are forced to pick one leader among the list of murderers then Baburam would be my pick. I dont now where they will spend the money but i am just glad that the money is with the government right now. Also, the money that is going to the cantonment was going to be gone regardless of what Baburam collected. If it was not collected through the tax it would have been begged somewhere. People are angry at Baburam because he has threatned to take actions on those who do not want to pay the legal tax. My say is pay the freakin tax. Imagine US running without people paying taxes. Sid

sidster · May 18, 2009 11:36 AM

i've a dream to see all terrorist  dead......................it would be nice for them to die as LTTE leader, Srilanka..............

ek@l · May 18, 2009 6:53 PM

He had one more dream last night.....   Parties paid money to lawmakers for their support: Bhattarai Finance minister of the caretaker government and Maoist senior leader Babu Ram Bhattarai has accused other political parties of engaging in a nasty horse-trading to accumulate a majority for a new coalition. Speaking at a function in Gorkha Monday, Bhattarai claimed he had evidence that parties paid hefty amount of money to lawmakers to gain their support to form the government. "Although I have evidence that huge sums of money changed hands in hotel rooms in exchange of support to the new alliance, I cannot reveal the evidences now as, officially, I am still a minister," Bhattarai said. Stressing on the need of a government with national consensus, Dr Bhattarai said a government formed without such consensus would not last for more than three months. Madhav Kumar Nepal is becoming the Prime Minister only to make history, his tenure will not last long, he said. nepalnews.com May 18 09

deshbhaktanepali · May 18, 2009 7:51 PM

If I remember it correct, Baburam or Prachanda also had a dream about a year ago that there was a covert operation going on to assassinate top Maoist leaders...they were also planning to provide evidence about the dream to international media...

deshbhaktanepali · May 18, 2009 8:04 PM

HEY GUYS! NAMING YOURSELF DESHBHAKTA OR DESHDROHI DOESN'T MATTER MUCH.  WHAT YOU CAN CONTRIBUTE TO NEPAL IS A MATTER OF CONCERN?  JUST CRITICIZING IN WORDS IS THE SIGN OF DURPOK. GIVING HEALTHY SUGGESTIONS AT TIMES LIKE NOW IS MORE WISELY ACTION.

Paagal · May 18, 2009 8:13 PM

but naming yourself pagaal makes sense what deshbhakta nepali is telling is true what these terrorists were telling a year ago and now you see what they have ended up with विदेशी हस्तक्षेप रोक्न उपेन्द्र यादव प्रधानमन्त्री बन्नुपर्छः गजुरेल   नेपालगन्ज ४ जेठ (नागरिक)- एकीकृत माओवादीका पोलिटव्युरो सदस्य तथा विदेश विभाग प्रमुख सीपी गजुरेलले मधेसी जनाधिकार फोरमका अध्यक्ष उपेन्द्र यादवलाई प्रधानमन्त्री बनाएर विदेशी हस्तक्षेप कम गर्न चाहेको बताएका छन्। So a healthy suggestion would be to invite lalu yadav for the Post of PM

mandale murdabad · May 18, 2009 8:27 PM

I agree with Mandale, why take chances with Indian Dalaal's like Makune and Girija....lets just give it to upendra or lalu, the direct masters. Sid

sidster · May 18, 2009 8:40 PM

"Although I have evidence that huge sums of money changed hands in hotel rooms in exchange of support to the new alliance, I cannot reveal the evidences now as, officially, I am still a minister," Bhattarai said. तेस्को टाउको ।।।तेस्को गुरुले गर्दा तल को भिडियो को करण ले गर्दा राम हरी श्रेष्ठ को (यो त आउत मात्र हो, आरू १४००० को त नाम लिन बाँकी नै छ ) ज्यान गएको थाहा छैन अैले आएर मैले भन्न मिल्छ तर म आजै मन्त्री छु भन्न मिल्दैन भन्छ , तागत छ भने भन्न , अब त तेरो कूरा कस्ले पत्तौछ र बाबुराम

Gaine · May 18, 2009 9:06 PM

कस्तो छुद्र थुतुनो पाएछौ बाबुराम । अर्थ न बर्थ का गफ हाक्या छ (जे समन्धी कार्यक्रम भय पनि तिमीलाई आफ्ना गफ हाँक्न पाय भाईगो)सुनिदिने भेडा जन्ता छदै छन् । बाड/पोस आफ्ना कर्यकर्ता (नेपाली जनता भनेका तिनै हुन तिम्रा लागि ) do you call it economic progess with 3% economic growth (which is natural)  with inflation rate of 10%  (http://www.myrepublica.com/por... राजस्व उठायौ राम्रो गर्यौ तर सदुपयोग न भई freeze हुनु अनी एक्लौटी आफ्नलाई बाड्नु कती नैतीक छ ???    

के छ ? · May 19, 2009 2:12 AM

Sidster, you are forgetting one very important aspect of the way they are collecting $$$.  Remember Bernie Madoff ? he he he That guy cooked the books and had the whole financial instituon under his thumb. Now just like Prachandey and his two faced reality, R U SURE THESE NUMBERS WERE NOT COOKED BY THEM JUST LIKE THEY MISLED THE ENTIRE NEPALI BHEDA JANATA ? and one more thing the businesses in Nepal are still paying that weekly bhatta to YCL on top of paying taxes to the govt. which is making their day to existance very very hard to the extent of extinction. If this continues pretty soon there will be no businesses left for them to collect tax.

BathroomCoffee · May 19, 2009 9:38 AM

those bloody maoist asked for 4 lakh rupees from my dad back when i was in nepal....believe me my father works hard to earn money and pays income tax too on a regular basis ..

raju161 · May 19, 2009 9:46 AM

I think you guys are confused over my explanation to the issue. I am advocating for an individual for his work standards(Work Ethics, and Delivery) not for the party. I am not sure if the numbers have been cooked or not. The numbers could have been cooked, you could be right on that. I do not have enough ammunition to argue over whether the book was cooked or not. But i would incline little towards the validity of the artical for the fact that the news was published by Kantipur and Kantipur publication is well known for being Anti - Maoist....arent they? Also, in my neighbourhood in KTM, lots of people went in and paid their property taxes before the deadline not to be fined heavly if not paid by then. Again, property taxes were supposed to be paid in Nepal, it wasnt Baburam's idea to create a new law. He was only enforcing the existing law. People hate this becasue they have enjoyed not paying taxes for years. YCL made my father sell his property for 40 Lakhs lower than the market price few years ago. I do not support YCL activities or Maoists idealogy. I wish there were other democratic ( do not confuse it with Bhrasta UML or Congress we have presently) minded leaders with Baburam's capability in Nepal but there arent. So at the time i would rather pick competent Baburam whose ideas are shady than some incompetent bhatmara leader of Nepal. I do not believe in dictatorship and i have ultra liberal views. When you look at a bigger picture of Nepal. All we have is currupt, inept, loosers runnning the country. Baburam stands out to be the best among those loosers at least he takes his job seriously and delivers what he is suppose to do. I wish the so called democratic leaders would learn the work ethic from him and atleast do the job that they are suppose to do when they hold the post.  Those SOBs hold the post for granted, they have no produtivity, no vision, no work ethics, and no morals. If we have enough Baburams, who care less about making money for himself and take the post with the strong sense of work ethic, determination, productivity, and vision then it wouldnt matter what party or idealogy they came from. Peace !!! Last edited: 19-May-09 10:39 AM

sidster · May 19, 2009 10:36 AM

Sadly Sidsters explanation reeks of the sh*t that Maoist like to serve up to the gullible. Whether it’s hardliners or not, whether it’s Pukada or Baburam, whether they look to the north or the south, the bottom line is that Maoists are terrorists. Apologists and appeasers may delight in Maoist double-speak and try to have the rest of us taken for a ride, but it doesn’t change the fact that there are no good or bad terrorists. Terrorists are bad, in fact, evil. Before you respond with this tiresome verbiage about the rest of us opposing Baburam because he collected taxes, that’s exactly how one would expect Baburam to defend himself and you are doing just that for him. Let us put in another way, the fact that he collected taxes does not make him any less of a terrorist. What’s stopping you from admitting that Baburam is a terrorist? Please look to Sri Lanka to see what happens to terrorists.

Peter Bagdas · May 19, 2009 2:26 PM

Peter, My point exactly. None of the political characters in Nepal are less of a Terrorist than the next one. They are all terrorist one way or the other. One takes the knife directly to your throat and the other creates an environment for one to have no access to food, shelter, and safety. Just because one chooses to murder indirectly doesnt make them less of a terrorist. I wish there was a third option but there isint Peace !!! Last edited: 19-May-09 03:50 PM

sidster · May 19, 2009 3:49 PM

that is why whatever baburam did is nothing ....everyone can do it if they had to ..even that asshole Dr ram saran mahat could have did it if he was not backed by his desires ....

raju161 · May 19, 2009 3:57 PM

Raju, You are coming to the line of my point at well. The "nothing" here should be just doing the job, described in the job description. Baburam did exactly that" nothing" and the others couldnt even do that "nothing" The expectancy from leader in Nepal is so low that, people dont even want the leader to get charismatic things done. They want the mere job done for the salary people are paying for the post. Dr Ram Saran is one of the example of incompetence who probably didnt kill anyone by the throat but didn't do anything to prosper the ordinary Nepali which had direct consequence to the rise of Maoism. Peace !!!

sidster · May 19, 2009 4:10 PM

Sidster - this expanisve definition of terrorism is no doubt an effort that Goebbles would be proud of. You still have not come out with it straight: that Baburam is a terrorist. Let's start with that premise first. Another thing, this sophistry of yours still does not get you out of the conundrum - are you trying to say that becasue others did poorly, that somehow justifies what the Maoists did? We commend you for so adeptly defending the Maoists cause and your every attempt to muddy the waters in their favour. That, however, does not change the fact that you know that the key difference between terrorists and and others is that the former believes in and uses violence to impose on others their set of beliefs. The Moaist and their ideologue Bhattarai need no lessons from anyone on this. You know that that's what they have been doing and with your sophistry to propel their cause, you have become yet another useful idiot for these terrorists.

Peter Bagdas · May 19, 2009 6:21 PM

Baburam is a terrorist; no argument on that. But he is still the most qualified person to handle finance ministry in Nepal with what he has done in 8 months. We are just unfortunate that the best we have is a terrorist. Just because he is a terrorist, i would not call other finance ministers in Nepal more qualified to hold the job. Peace !!!

sidster · May 19, 2009 6:41 PM

ok I comend Baburam for doing his job(which he should be doing anyways regardless of what happened in the past)x !!  Lets give him a medal then huh !! At the same time he is also responsible for all the Nepali lives lost in his ascension to Power. So shouldn't we be holding him resposible for that as well ? SO JUST BECAUSE HE IS DOING A GOOD JOB DOES NOT MAKE HIM ANY LESS OF A TERRORIST. YCL still comes and threatens my parents on a daily basis, and you assholes come here to talk about Dr Terrorist in chief doing a good job ? WTF !!!

BathroomCoffee · May 20, 2009 8:47 AM

Why is this thing even a debate? 1. Baburam is a terrorist, and he should be punished by the law. No question at all. 2. He did do good as a Finance Minister, esp with collecting revenues. That doesn't make him less of a terrorist, but it does prove that he is dedicated and knowledgable for the post.

HowardRoark · May 20, 2009 8:55 AM

Howard, Nicely summarized. I agree with both points you have outlined. Sid

sidster · May 20, 2009 10:28 AM

In other words We as a Nepali society are okey to have a murderous tyrant running a government office ?  So why don't we make Charles Sobraj the Primeminister then(heard he has excellent management skills ) ?  Or better yet why don't we make Jefferey Dalhmer a chef cause he know his meat well ? DOES A MUDERER BELONG TO JAIL OR GOVT OFFICE ?  OHHH oops I forgot he is doing a great job so lets comend him for that ? Man that is one fugged up logic.

BathroomCoffee · May 20, 2009 1:35 PM

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timer · May 20, 2009 5:47 PM

BathroomCoffee, Do you even read others views properly? I didn't say he should be rewarded or commended. Here is what I said: 1. Baburam is a terrorist, and he should be punished by the law. No question at all. 2. He did do good as a Finance Minister, esp with collecting revenues. That doesn't make him less of a terrorist, but it does prove that he is dedicated and knowledgable for the post. Please, get rid of that "Either you are with me or you are all terorrists" attitude.

HowardRoark · May 20, 2009 6:41 PM

What good job.. collecting more money.. C'mon guys.. what he did was simply using blatant force (guns, threat etc - which are signature of Maoists) he forked out more money.. not a big deal.. More importantly, you have to look into this in a different way.. WHY THE HELL he collected so much money... yes, what's the Purpose....? Of course... while in the government, Maoists want to maximize their gains... which is of course amassing more more.. and paying their debt.. yes, the loan they took to wage bloody 12 year long  freaking war against the poeple of Nepal.... Nope.. they did not do that for people.. they did that for themselves.. they brainwashed the ignorant villagers of remote mountains.. used them.. to kill Nepalese...general nepalese.. not a single freaking corrupt leaders were killed in their movement.. Baburam Bhattatatatatarai.. that's what this mad man is....

Ved555 · May 20, 2009 7:32 PM

Now that it's established that Baburam is a terrorist, it's absurd to think a terrorist can do any good. It's as disgusting as saying that Eichamnn was a good administrator for the final solution. The point is that Baburam's goals are exactly the same, whether he makes any tactical adjustments in attaining them is quite irrelevant. The man is a terrorist and no amount of revenue raising is going to change that. And, in any event, there is plenty of evidence emerging to show that it hasn't been all that great at MoFin:http://www.weeklynepal.com/ind...  

Peter Bagdas · May 20, 2009 9:45 PM

Howard,"He did do good as a Finance Minister, esp with collecting revenues. That doesn't make him less of a terrorist, but it does prove that he is dedicated and knowledgable for the post. Please, get rid of that "Either you are with me or you are all terorrists" attitude." ha ha ha     hasaucha yo manchey ley. So you are ok with a Terrorist running your govt.. ? My point is the guy needs yo pay for his crime not be given a post in the Government.  YOU DO NOT MAKE BERNIE MADOFF A FINANCE MINISTER(after a financial scandal of the century), or rather make HITLER UN SECRETARY GENERAL RIGHT AFTER GENOCIDE ?  Ummmmm..... where did I exactly say,"Either you are with me or you are all terorrists" or have that attitude ? I just cannot forget everything and wipe the slate clean.  My point is plain and simple..... CRIME= PUNISHMENT not A FINANCE MINISTER.  And that goes for all party's not just the Maoist.    

BathroomCoffee · May 21, 2009 10:00 AM

whatever he collected crores and crores but still he made nepalese live without lights ,food and fuel .....he still made people affected by floods to live a life of promise to be never fulfilled ...so what is the uses of those revenues that is of no use of civilians ....OH ya it should go in Cantonment haina ta?

raju161 · May 29, 2009 8:52 AM

People who discount Baburam for being a terrorist should also discount Army for its terrorism. Read about these Loonies torturing a 15 year old girl and killing her during the torture. Waterboarding seems to be a good deal in that poor girl's case. http://nepal.ohchr.org/en/reso... उक्त प्रतिवेदनका अनुसार, नेसेका अधिकृतहरूले मैना सुनुवारलाई काभ्रेपलाञ्चोक जिल्लाको उनको आफ्नो घरबाट २०६० फागुन ५ गते श्री वीरेन्द्र शान्ति कार्य तालिम केन्द्र पाँचखालमा लगे। सो तालिम केन्द्रमा तत्कालीन प्रमुख सेनानी बबी खत्रीको आदेशबमोजिम एक मिनेट ६-७ पटक पानीको एउटा ठूलो भाँडोमा मैना सुनुवारको टाउको डुबाउन आदेश दिने दुई सहसेनानीसहित सात नेसे अधिकृत र सैनिकको उपस्थितिमा उनलाई यातना दिइयो । प्रतिवेदनका अनुसार, सैनिकहरूले त्यसपछि उनका भिजेका हात र खुट्टामा चारपाँचपटक करेन्ट लगाए। यातना डेढघण्टा जारी रहृयो र यसपछि उनलाई तालिम केन्द्रको परिसरमा भएको एउटा भवनमा थुनियो जहाँ उनलाई आँखामा पट्टी र हातमा हतकडी लगाएर छोडियो। उनले पछि वान्ता गर्न र मुखमा फिंज काढ्न थालिन् र चिकित्सकीय सहयोग आइपुग्नुभन्दा अगाडि उनको मृत्यु भयो । कोर्ट अफ इन्क्वायरी बोर्डले “यातना दिंदै सोधपुछ गर्ने क्रममा यातना सहन नसकी निजको मृत्यु भएको” र “अपरिपक्व, अदक्ष ढङ्गको यातनापूर्ण व्यवहार अमानवीय भएको” निष्कर्ष निकाल्यो । कोर्ट अफ इन्क्वायरी बोर्डको प्रतिवेदनले मैना सुनुवारको यातनामा संलग्न अधिकृत र सैनिकहरूले यो मृत्युको ढाकछोप गर्न प्रयत्न गरेको पनि निष्कर्ष निकाल्यो । शवको पिठ्मा गोली हानिएको र यसलाई तालिम केन्द्रभित्र गाडिएको थियो । त्यसपछि उक्त तालिम केन्द्रका इन्चार्ज महासेनानीले नेसेको हिरासतबाट भाग्न खोज्दा मैना सुनुवारलाई गोली हानिएको भन्दै बनावटी प्रतिवेदन तयार गरे । कोर्ट अफ इन्क्वायरी बोर्डले “श्री वीरेन्द्र शान्ति कार्य तालिम केन्द्रबाट एक वर्ष अगाडि पठाइएको विवरणसाग … कुनै हालतमा पनि सहमत हुन सक्ने अवस्था रहेन । उक्त तालिम केन्द्रका तत्कालीन निमित्त प्रमुख म. से. बबी खत्रीले हुादै नभएको कुरालाई अतिरञ्जित तवरले कपोलकल्पित कुराहरू लेखी लेखाइ घटनाको झुठो विवरण … पठाएको” भन्दै सो प्रतिवेदन ठाडै अस्वीकार गर्‍यो । कोर्ट अफ इन्क्वायरी बोर्डले महासेनानी बबी खत्री, सहसेनानी सुनिलप्रसाद अधिकारी र सहसेनानी अमित पुनविरुद्ध “सैनिक ऐनबमोजिम कारबाहीको प्रक्रिया अगाडि बढाउनुपर्ने” सिफारिस पेश गर्‍यो ।

sidster · May 29, 2009 10:08 AM

SIDSTER PLEASE DON'T SHOW THAT YOU ARE A MORON Ten years after the Maoists started their armed insurgency to get rid of the monarchy and establish a communist state in Nepal, more than 12,000 civilian have been killed, 300,000 people have been internally displaced. The Moaists lead by Dr Baburam Bhattari and Prachanda, have shown that they have no regard for human rights since the early days of their campaign. Please allow me to present before you some of the crimes committed by the Maoists. 2006 February 7: Five soldiers were killed and three sustained injuries when Maoists launched a massive attack in Dhankuta targeting the district administration office, regional administration office and all security agencies in the district. 2005 August 27: Seven persons traveling in a passenger bus from Kathmandu to Dang were killed and three others sustained injuries in an explosion at Surai Naka section on the Mahendra highway at the border of Kapilvastu and Dang districts. August 26: Five SF personnel were killed and two others were injured in an IED explosion at Khairanpur in the western district of Kapilvastu. June 14: Maoists kill seven family members of police personnel, including three women and a one-year old child, at Attariya in the Kailali district. April 16: Maoists kill ten civilians, including a child, at Baragdawa in the Somni area of Nawalparasi district. April 9: Insurgents attack the District Police Office, an Army battalion, district prison and also burn some Government offices at Charikot, headquarters of the Dolakha district, and freed some 30 prisoners from the prison. March 6: A group of Maoists kill five civilians, allegedly members of an ‘anti-Maoist retaliation group’, at Kudarmatewa village in the Kapilavastu district. 2004 August 26, 2004: A group of 50 armed Maoist insurgents shot dead a former Chairman of Dhanusha District Development Committee and Rashtriya Prajatantra Party (Nationalist) leader, Badri Bahadur Karki, in the Bharatpur area. March 20 - 21: In a Maoist attack on the District Jail, Office of the Chief District Officer and Army Camps at Beni Bazaar in the Myagdi district, at least 51 security force personnel, including 33 Royal Nepalese Army (RNA) personnel, and 20 civilians are killed. March 3: Maoists insurgents, numbering around approximately 1500 to 2000, attack Nepal Telecommunication Towers and kill 32 security force personnel in Bhojpur district. January 15: Maoist insurgents kill the Mayor of Birgunj and member of the Rastriya Prajatantra Party (RPP), Gopal Giri, at Bahuaari in the Birgunj district. 2003 The Maoist behead journalist Gynendra Khadka in September infront of school students, because the was writing against them and their policy. January 26: Armed Police Force chief Krishna Mohan Shrestha, his wife and bodyguard are killed in an attack by Maoist insurgents in Kathmandu. 2000 February 7: Maoists waylay a bus in Dolakha district carrying Polish tourists and rob them of approximately US$ 5,000 in cash. This is the first major incident by Maoists targeting foreign visitors. 1999 March 5: Communist Party of Nepal––Unified-Marxist-Leninist (CPN–UML) leader Yadu Gautam is assassinated by Maoist insurgents

raju161 · May 29, 2009 10:34 AM

Raju...you are proving yourself an intellect by listing more tortures and killings and justifying the killings on your side ..... . Trust me Army has wiped out villagers in the name of killing Maoists and tortured innocent people including children just like Maoists have done. If you are willing to take the Army Brand glasses off your head you will see that both Army and Maoists are equal bastards and yes out of 13000 deaths UN has said Army is responsible for half of it. Nothing justifies killing of a 15 year old girl from torture. This does proves that Army is nothing different than Maoists. Sid

sidster · May 29, 2009 10:50 AM

It justifies ......yes it justifies whether that is that innocent little poor girl brainwashed by maoist ultimately being killed or whether that innocent little iraqi girl who was raped by US army and finally killed along with her mom, dad and two sisters ..everything will be justified with time That bastard who raped and killed that innocent girl in iraq was prosecuted for a life time in prison without parole ...similarly that army personal under whose leadership that innocent brainwashed 16 year old nepali girl was killed will eventually get required punishment for what he did just wait for a while ....but what about your Baburam and prachande ji I am so eager that one of his brainwashed comrade finally realizing who they are ....blows their head offff ....i am so eager for this things to be justified ....u know sid ... and sid one more thing tell me what justifies this ---- June 14: Maoists kill seven family members of police personnel, including three women and a one-year old child, at Attariya in the Kailali district.

raju161 · May 29, 2009 11:10 AM

OK WHY THEY KILLED THIS POOR LITTLE GIRL(1 YEAR OLD CHILD) ? Oh ok they might have fired in darkness so that one yearold kid got shot ...oh they might have felt pity for her ....oHHHHH what this poor littlr fella would do ...since she doesnot have parents lets sent her to the place where her parents have gone a while ago haina ta .......MAOIST SUCKS

raju161 · May 29, 2009 11:22 AM

and lastly don't come to your usual conclusion .....BOth are equal ? ...coz that's not the answer what this post wants ....and that's the sign of person with now farsightedness and lack of vision .... Raj

raju161 · May 29, 2009 11:28 AM

Raju, I am not here to advocate Maoist party unlike you are advocating Army. I dont give a rats ass about any of the political powers in Nepal.....i have not alliance or pity to any of them....none of the parties are dearer to me than the other....i want baburam, prachanda, Girija, katuwal all tried for crime against humanity. they are all murderers. Phonies in sajha advocate for one or the other power becasue they have vested interest in that party. Grow up...you are too young to get my point. In your definition anyone who is against Girija, UML and Army is a Maoist. If you are able to see them without any prejudice you will see they are all nothing but murderers. Sid

sidster · May 29, 2009 11:28 AM

And yes the Army did punish Babu Khatri...he got 6 months of probation and no promotion.....lol what a bunch of phonies...at least maoists pretend like they are looking for the murderers of Ramhari and such. Nepal Army is such a joke, one of my neighbour was some big time Army officer and he used to call Lower level army personell to his house to wash his wife's clothes. I have seen what these Army people do to get to the position. What a waste of money and resources, nepal should desolve Army and let Indian Army run Nepal, at least the Nepalese tax paying wouldn;t have to pay for those Nalayaks. Sid

sidster · May 29, 2009 11:31 AM

SO IF YOU ARE NOT ONE OF THE PONNIES OF MAOIST WHY WOULD YOU COPY THIS STUPID HATE THREAD FROM GOOGLE AND PASTE IN THIS BLOG TO TELL AGAINST NEPAL ARMY ....TELL ME IN HUNDREDS OF THIS POST WHERE YOU HAVE GAVE ANY STRONG POINT THAT SAYS MAOIST ARE MURDERERS ...YOU DID BY TELLING THAT INNOCENT MAOIST BRAINWASHED GIRL WAS KILLED BY NEPAL ARMY TO SPREAD HATE AGAINST NEPAL ARMY BUT YOU ADVOCATED BABURAM COLLECTED MILLIONS OF REVENUES TO SPREAD THEIR GREATNESS KNOWINGLY THAT YOU SAY THEY ARE MURDERER ....YOU ARE ONE OF THE PHONIES BRO .....IN REALITY I AIN'T TOO YOUNG MATTER OF FACT YOU NEED TO GROW UP AND TRY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG ....YOU SHOULD KNOW THE FACT A SNAKE ALWAYS BITES DESPITE YOU FEED IT WITH MILK ...OK ....

raju161 · May 29, 2009 11:42 AM

You are right i refuse to feed any of the snake while you seem to like Army snake more than any other snake. I have been calling Maoists murderers from the beginning of this thread.They should be tried for crime against humanity along with Kattuwal. I know what is right and wrong. Unfortunately in this case there is no right. We have two wrongs. I am saying there are two wrongs and you are saying there is one right and one wrong. To me all are equal bastards and to you one is good and just the other one is bastard. I have seen your thread where you have praised the Nepal Army. I have not supported Mao party or other leaders in Mao party but yes i do believe that Baburam has been the most competent finance minister in Nepal so far regardless of his past and i am judging him for his work he has done for the finance ministry. Baburam is no longer a Finance minister and i have nothing to do with him anymore until he does something constructive again. I dont care about his political ideologies. I just think he did a good job as a finance minister. I am not in anyway spreading the greatness of Baburam as a political person. Because i am smart enough to know that supporting any of those murderers refelects on your intellect. Sid

sidster · May 29, 2009 11:55 AM

Yes i attached this news (the one you call hate thread because it makes Army look bad) in the thread to prove that all of these powers are made up of same stuff. Murdering and prowling for power. Sid

sidster · May 29, 2009 11:57 AM

AND I ATTACH THIS NEWS THAT YOU HATE NEPAL ARMY AND OTHER POLITICIANS WHO DIDN'T GO TO JUNGLES TO FULFILL THEIR DEMANDS ....AND YOU ARE A BRAINWASHED MAOIST ? HOW'S THAT? HELLO Mr ....DO U READ ALL MY POST OR NOT REPLY MY QUESTIONS ...AND DON'T TRY TO ESCAPE FROM THE REALITY AND DON'T TRY TO LIVE INSIDE PONDS FILLED WITH BLOODY ALLIGATORS ....TRY TO COME OUT OF THAT AND TRY TO ADVOCATE YOUR TWO SENSE TO THOSE PERSONS WHO DO NOT GO TO JUNGLE TO FULFILL THEIR DEMANDS PERIOD RAJ

raju161 · May 29, 2009 12:03 PM

You bet i hate Nepal Army as they are nothing better than PLA. These two phonies are just two sides of the coin. Exact opposite but same goal. One brainwashes people who don't have anything in the name of socialism and the other brainwashes people who have something/everything in the name of democracy.None of the two has any concern for the betterment of the country or its people. Sid

sidster · May 29, 2009 12:13 PM

NEPAL ARMY IS NEVER A SNAKE ... IT IS WORKING FOR THE RULE OF LAW NOT FOR THE RULE OF CHAOS AND KILLINGS HERE AND THERE I AM A CIVILIAN AND HAVE NO CONNECTION WITH ANY POLITICAL PARTIES AND NEITHER TOP NEPAL ARMY PERSONEL......WHILE I WAS BACK HOME IN ONE OF THE REMOTE PART OF MY COUNTRY THAT I DON'T LIKE TO MENTION BECAUSE OF MY PRIVACY ....I LIVED A LIFE OF FREEDOM BECAUSE OF OUR NEPAL ARMY ....COZ THEY NEVER LET IT HAPPEN THAT GROUPS OF BLOODY MAOIST COME AND ABDUCT US .....BRO PROS AND CONS ARE HITHER AND THITHER BUT YOU SHOULD HAVE AN EYE TO SEE IT ......

raju161 · May 29, 2009 12:14 PM

yup ..nepali people do have an option be become either a Mao Bi%$ch or Army Bi%^ch. Since last 40 years, Nepali army has been actively involved in taking UML and Congress activists to the Jungle and shooting them in head " in running away from captivity" charges. In 2046 andolan Nepal Army came to my Dad's office and thrashed him for letting people talk about democracy in the office. Lets not mention the various andolan suppression Army has done. During panchayat times there were so many murders that were carried on by Nepal Army like the one above done by Bobby Khatri. If they are really a patriot and are greatful of Nepali taxpayers they should raise an issue of boarder encrochment by india. They wouldnt do that becasue its easier confronting ordinary Nepalese than risk confronting India. The culture of " peticoat washing" is there in Nepal Army. As they say " sometimes there arent enough peticoats" to wash to get a promotion in Army. Sid

sidster · May 29, 2009 12:25 PM

thats happens bro in the path of creating and promoting rule of law ....of course during panchayat they created terror because they had to coz they were not suppose to let terror creat nepal if not so there would no be so many people inside guntanamo jail whom advocates of freedom chant innocents are also being held and tortured there

raju161 · May 29, 2009 12:38 PM

if you can't accept this facts u need to wear a robe and go to moon .....

raju161 · May 29, 2009 12:41 PM

another thing do u even know how lawlessness was there before panchayat ....fall of pancharat is a born of bloody maoist Last edited: 29-May-09 01:01 PM

raju161 · May 29, 2009 12:43 PM

Fall of panchayat is the birth of bloody maoists. Nepal Army sponsored Panchayat is responsible for the birth for Maoist. If the kings or the Army were good in Nepal there would have been no Maoists. Pancyaat was the dry firewood and Girija Raj was the fuel for Maoist fire. Yes there is no crime in Iran too...do you want a system like Iran...lol and you blame Maoist for capturing the state power when you praise Panchayat system for security...lol talk about hipocracy... Its funny how you come back to the same point that i have been trying to make the whole time at the end. I can see that you are emotional but you lack information to back your emotions. Sid

sidster · May 29, 2009 1:26 PM

if you read papers daily i hope you know this .....days ago there was a blast in iran killing 23 people and injuring other 125 r u moron how can u say there is no crime in iran.....grow up kid!!! now u r really getting funny to me

raju161 · May 29, 2009 1:37 PM

kid don't compare islamic republic of iran with panchayat of nepal take a time to grow up coz everyone in the world knows what islamic law means

raju161 · May 29, 2009 1:42 PM

I was making that comparing for you. I am comparing Panchayat Raj with Mao Raj. Where the one who is RAJA makes all the rules. Like the kings did with pathetic Nepal Army Help and Prachanda does with loonies PLA. Sid

sidster · May 29, 2009 1:52 PM

i was also making same comparison to your post of that innocent maoist brainwashed kids being killed by nepal army along with that innocent 1 year old kid who doesnot even know how was this nepal where she got to be born being shot dead bY bloody maoist .......JUST TO OPEN YOUR EYES AND TO MAKE YOU STAND FOR WHAT IS RIGHT ....THATS ALLLLL.... EVEN GANDHI HAD TO LET BHAGAT SINGH DIE ....TO UPHELD LAW AND ORDER.... GANDI IS NEVER WRONG TO ME ......I BELIEVE PEOPLE LIKE U HATE GANDI TOOOO...OPEN UR EYES .....GET A LIFE AND GIVE ME A CALL WHEN YOU REINCARNATE IN TO A EDUCATED BEING .....

raju161 · May 29, 2009 2:05 PM

I do stand for what is right. The most right thing to do is call all murderers, MURDERERS and not to side the kinder murderer. I can see that you have emotional attachment with Nepal Army and Panchayat so your views are one sided. I don't hate Gandhi, why should i hate Gandhi he hasn't done any harm to Nepal or Nepali people. I will let the Indians argue on whether they hate him or like him. Sid

sidster · May 29, 2009 2:21 PM

so why u brought iran here?

raju161 · May 29, 2009 2:28 PM

another thing if you call murders ....so called murderers ....try to speak against cruel murders tooo as u say .......try to post their wrong doings too ....for me there is only one murderers and you know very well who i am talking about ......

raju161 · May 29, 2009 2:35 PM

I brought Iran here because you were saying that during panchayat there was no crime. Thats because no crime ever became public. Did you hear anything about the rapes Kings people did and how Panches and Army used to cover their crimes? Im sure you didnt. You argued as if you prefered Suppression with no crime than liberty with crime. So if you liked Panchayat, you might as well just Cheer for Khumeni because he is a bigger panchayat himself. Sid

sidster · May 29, 2009 2:37 PM

Sid, neither all American armies rape Iraqi girls and women nor all Nepali armies rape 15 years old girl. We have to respect our army men who are dying for our country.

tamanglakola · May 29, 2009 2:50 PM

i suggest you to read my previous posts again and again i said don't compare Ayatollah Ali Khamenei with king mahendra.....ALL you need to do is explain me WHY YOU TRIED TO DEMORALISE THE GREAT CONTRIBUTION OF NEPALESE ARMY WITH THAT OF BLOODY MAOIST ....u said both are murderers but if you go through all your posts so far u will figure out that you have been out of your circumferance and weighed heavily against nepalese army if you do really have nostalgic feelings about both of them i should have seen you with the post "OHMMM SANTIIII" but not copying a text from MY SANSAR.COM and pasting in sajha so as to demoralise and brainwash people here in sajha ...... ANOTHER THING YOU SAID YOU STAND FOR RIGHT ....WELL LET ME TELL YOU YOU STAND FOR NOTHING ....COZ DUE TO PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO ARE NOT SURE WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG ...NEPAL IS GOING THROUGH THIS ERA ......U GOT NO DIRECTION AND U STAND FOR NOTHING.....MAOIST MURDERED INNOCENT CIVILIANS ....INNOCENT POLICE AND ARMIES THEIR FAMILIES ........PRACHANDE'S WAR TURNED LAND OF PEACE TO LAND OF TERROR ....IF THERE WAS NO MAOIST THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN A PEACEFUL AND PROSPEROUS NEPAL....COZ THEY PROVEED WHO THEY ARE AFTER FAILING ...IN 1 YEAR...

raju161 · May 29, 2009 2:55 PM

      This shit's FONNI ha ha !!!  Keep it going...

BathroomCoffee · May 29, 2009 2:59 PM

ANOTHER THING NEPAL ARMY DIED FOR NEPALESE PEOPLE NOT FOR ANY OTHER COZ IF THEY DIED FOR OTHER'S INTEREST THEN I WOULD HAVE SEEN GANENDRA IN POWER RIGHT NOW SECOND MAOBADI UFFF KHAOBADI DIED TO FULFILL THE SELF INTEREST ....OF MAHARAJ PRACHANDE AND MAHARAJ BABURAM ....COZ IF THEY HAD DIED FOR PEOPLE ......MAOIST WOULD HAVE NOT LET THE GOVERNMENT FALL....U GOT IT AND U GROW UP TOOOO....MY ADVICE AND MY BEST WISHES TOO WITH YOU ......TRY TO LIVE IN FAR EASTERN AND FAR WESTERN PART OF THE NEPAL ...AND YOU WILL KNOW HOW MUCH PEOPLE TRUST NEPALESE ARMY ....I HAVE BEEN GROWN UP PLAYING SOCCER IN ARMY BARRACKS ...AND I KNOW WHO THEY ARE VERY WELL THEN YOU DO ....

raju161 · May 29, 2009 3:05 PM

Sidster, we are sorry to hear that your father got a trashing from the army in 2046. That’s wrong and no one can condone that sort of behaviour - my own brother was beaten up by a couple of drunk army officers and nothing happened to them. But none of this justifies your line of thinking that Baburam is a good terrorist. That line of thinking is as flawed as putting the army on the same pedestal as these Maoist terrorists. It’s alright to be angry with the army, but please try to be a little more objective and not take things so personally.

Peter Bagdas · May 29, 2009 6:00 PM

When King G finally kicked all the politicians i had a great hope. I had hoped King G to be more business minded and progress minded than lazy King Birendra and i was really happy that he jailed all the crooked politicians once and for all. But as soon as he came to power his first focus was to print his fat face on the Rupees Note and to transfer all Birendra's property in his name and he was doing this being backed by Nalayak Nepal Army. Lol....so you have played soccer in Army barack.....so that makes Army good people...look at your reasoning ....In your theory ..kids in Rolpa never played soccer becasue maoist wouldnt allow kids to play soccer near their training ground right...? I know you want to storngly present your opinion but you do not have enough arguments to prove your points. Each time you write you reflect some childish argument that comes back and makes your entire argument immature. Sid

sidster · May 29, 2009 6:07 PM

Peter, Let me say this again, i did not call Baburam a good terrorist. I called him a good finance minister compared to other finance minsters nepal had in the past. I am not justifying that terrorists are better because army is bad. I do not have any political alliance in Nepal. In US i like honest liberals and honest libertarians.  If any of you are able to see the whole picture of nepal without any politically affiliated glasses you will see them all the same. Baburam has practiced terrorism to put his agenda to the people. He just happened to be good at what he did with finance ministry. Thats all. Have you ever viewed arts done by the criminals in Jail. Its sort of like that. Its unfortunate to nepal that the one who hadled the finance ministry the best had to be the terrorist and the others didnt even have the capability of what baburam did. The other point is Nepal Army is a product of " Master and Slave" culture. The career starts from " washing boss's wives Peticoats" When the Peticoat washer gets promoted he gets his own peticoat washer. That peticoat washing culture is everywhere in Nepal Army. The same Peticoat washer officer had come to my Dad's office in 2046 to thrash him. Apparently some people from his office were talking about 2046 revolution out in the street and the Peticoat washer came to his office and called him by names, and addressed him by Ta, and talai, I was in the office at that time...and could never understand what my dad could have done wrong at that time but now i fully understand what Nepal Army is and what its made up of. Sid

sidster · May 29, 2009 6:29 PM

Sidster, not sure what point scoring there is to be had if one feels sorry for the fact that your father was beaten up in 2046. That’s beyond me. There does seem to be worrying tendency here: your predilection for tin pot dictators like Gyanendra and wanna be “Dear Leaders” like that terrorist, Baburam. Seriously dude, you need to shed that messiah complex and start working on the deliverance yourself. You owe it to yourself.

Peter Bagdas · May 29, 2009 6:40 PM

DOn't rationalize or anything here.. Baburam is a Bhaatmara terrorists..... Gabbar Singh can acumulate lot of money too.. by looting.. same thing Baburram Bhatatatatatata did too... Baburam used fear tactics to collected the tax money... that's a difference between other minister and baburam.. otherwise, if Baburam didn't have his YCL arsholes roaming around the country threatening the people/businessmen on the top of Maoist running the govt.. what the fug could baburam chatatatata rai coudl have done.. NOTHING COULD HAVE HE ACHIVED>>  but ask where all those collected money went? To maoists...so what good is his money collection using govt and YCL cadres threats.. Baburam is simply a thug.. sludge.. slug... gu.... stool... feaces... slum

Ved555 · May 29, 2009 6:43 PM

Ved555: Did you learn to talk dirty and abusive language because of the best book you ever read in your life: 'Sex to Enlightenment (Sambhog Se Samadhi Tak) by OSHO' Sorry for my comment Last edited: 29-May-09 07:23 PM

railo · May 29, 2009 7:19 PM

Maoists would not understand other language than this....  Hope you understand this. Unless you are one of them :-)

Ved555 · May 29, 2009 7:47 PM

We say we do not hate Nepali. Recently we had an topic 'I hate Nepali fellow' in SAJHA and some of you guys had a very nice comment against it with five stars. Do we comment one thing and talk another ? Why do you mess up SAJHA with your stressful, abusive and dirty words ? Read GOOD books, man !! No offense OK !

railo · May 29, 2009 8:30 PM

Peter, The point to be made is that NA is not as good as what people try to portray it. Its a backward and corrupt organization. Just because they are punishing the terrorists does not make them any clean. They have one motive to punish terrorists and that is to not let any other power take their power from them. Sid

sidster · May 29, 2009 9:33 PM

Railo ji - do terrorists have nationality other than belonging the the global scum club? Surely those who pursue the path of terrorism deserve liquidation irrespective of nationality or are you suggesting that they deserve better, perhaps the Nobel prize? What's your problem with calling a spade a spade, the question of good, bad or indifferent book is quite irrelevant here - unless of course, you happen happen to be from the that side?

Peter Bagdas · May 29, 2009 9:39 PM

Sidster - this is not about the army. This strand is about that terrorist Baburam. The army is capable of being reformed; terrorist on the other hand deserve liquidation. As for this relatively good or bad terrorist verbiage one comes across, there is no such thing. Terrorist are bad full stop and there is no way out for them. Sri Lanka has led the way in our region and with Maoist antics increasing in India, the Nepali version are setting themselves up. In the end it does not matter how or who finishes them off. You are right there is a price to pay for this war on terrorism, but there is no other choice. Terrorism needs to be defeated no matter where it raises its ugly head. As usual Nepal is playing catch up. But they will get there.

Peter Bagdas · May 29, 2009 9:57 PM

I hope so too Peter, i hope that terrorism would go away and we will have honest people running Nepal in near future.

sidster · May 29, 2009 10:44 PM

very interesting discussion going on here. well, if u r to b neutral without any affiliation to any ideology or institution, nepal army indeed outranks maoists in terms of human rights violation which has been throroughly justified by many which is just hypocracy. so, here i should say i stand with sidster. n i cum from strong military family background, my many relatives serves in various ranks in nepal army from colonel to corporal n gurkha regiments. everyone r well aware of maoists atrocities but it is just mad to justify gross human rights violation that inccludes genocides and tortures from nepal army in the name of national interest or king. it was so severe that it nearly cost them UN peace mission which is also lucrative source of income for personnels as well as whole institution n nation. indeed they did prevent maoists from full military takeover but the situation analysis suggets they were in stalemate position with neither side able to break through n rout each other which means war could hav escalated further to the point either with relsult that of sri lanka or that of cuba in unknown period of time. the core mantra of soldiering r discipline n professionalism which nepal army lacks to b frank, infact it lacks any incentives to attribute such traits in its ranks n files.   the incidents as in pilli where they suffered huge casaulties showed the incompetency of commander who chose to run away from the battlefield n save his life by hiding in a cave rather than commanding his man n fighting the batlle together. later in a report they stated 'due to the failure of rifle, INSAS' to which even my bro who is major in nepal army said 'nachna najanne agan tedho'(an example). well, sorry folks to bore u but just putting my personal thoughts that nepal army did fail in its operation to counter insurgency n not just beating hollow pride. they were not cable in eliminating rag tags maoists who were armed with improvised weaponry to watever availble n even thier intel couldnt  figure out 4-5 thousand guirella fighters which was only recently made public in prachandas speech. various retired generals of nepal army has accepted thier inept at dealing insurgents, ie they lacked enough competency, expereince, knowledge n resources. formation of ranger battallions with american help n strenghtning 11 brigade which is also an air force of nepal army were key elements in keeping maoists guerellas at bay.   currently army n police both r going through massive reform, it takes time, they r getting modernized n professional, just check out the gears of riot police n regular army infantry, i should say they look more modern, professional n smarter than at least indians(being superficial). my conclusion is both r equally responsible n personally i wont justify one to another for thier cause n interests.

yakthung_laje · May 29, 2009 11:12 PM

काठमाडौं, १३ जेठ (दैनिकी) माओवादीको गठनबन्धन छाडेर काँग्रेस, फोरम लगायतको गठबन्धनको एमाले नेता माधव नेपालको नेतृत्वमा सरकार बनेपछि नेप्से परिसूचक सात सय अंकभन्दा माथी पुगेको छ । माओवादी अर्थमन्त्री बाबुराम भट्टराईले शेयर बजारलाई जुवाघर भनेपछि ११७५ विन्दुमा पुगेको शेयर बजार ६ सय १९ विन्दुमा झरेको थियो । माओवादीले भदौको पहिलो साता सरकारमा गएको केही दिनसम्म शेयर बजारमा असर परेको थिएन । त्यसैले भदौ १५ गते शेयर सर्वाधिक उच्च विन्दुमा पुगेको थियो । सरकारमा गएलगत्तै माओवादीले शेयरबजारप्रति नकरात्मक विचार व्यक्त गर्ने र असोजमा ल्याएको बजेटमा करको दर बढाएपछि निरन्तर शेयर बजार घट्दै गएको थियो । एमाले काँग्रेस गठनबन्धनले सरकार बनाउने पक्का भएपछि बजारमा कारोबारसंगै मूल्य पनि बढ्न थालेको छ । माओवादीको सरकार भदौमा बनेदेखि निरन्तर घटिरहेको शेयर बजार उसको सरकार ढल्ने दिनसम्म पनि जारी थियो । सेयरमा पूजिगत लाभ कर बढाउने, आयको स्वंयघोषणा कार्यक्रम ल्याउने, घर जग्गा खरीदमा आयको स्रोत खोज्ने नीतिले पूजि बजारमा असर गरेकेा थियो । नवनियुक्त अर्थमन्त्री सुरेन्द्र पाण्डेले भने पद वहाली गरेलगत्तै सेयर बजारप्रति पूर्वाग्रह नराख्ने बताएका छन् । उनले कानून परिमार्जन गर्नेबाहेक अन्य परिवर्तन नगर्ने बताएका छन । यो अवधारणा आएपछि मंगलबार नेप्से १३.१ अंकले बृद्धि भएको छ । आइतबार ११ र सोमबार १३.४४ अंकले नेप्से बढेको थियो । अहिले नेप्से ७ सय १४ अंकमा पुगेको छ । 'खानतलासी’मा सैन्य अधिकारी चूडामणि भट्टराई नेपाली सेनाका एक लेफि्टनेन्ट कर्णेल आफ्नै मोटरसाइकलमा बाक्लो सुरक्षाले घेरएिको त्रिभुवन अन्तर्राष्ट्रिय विमानस् थलको संवेदनशील क्षेत्रतिर जाँदै थिए । सेनाको इन्जिनियरङि् विभाग १४ नं बाहिनीको क्वार्टर रहेकोतर्फ गइरहेका उनलाई सैनिक इलाकामा पुगेपछि एकहूल युवाहरूले रोके । झोला देखाउन लगाए, जीउ छामछुम पारे । सैनिक इलाकामा कर्णेल एक्लै थिए, एक्कासि ठूलो हूल जम्मा भयो । माओवादीले सेनापति विवादका कारण नौ महिने सत्ता छाड्नुपरेको १६ दिनपछि जेठ ७ गतेको घटना हो यो । विमानस् थल प्रवेशका लागि गोल्डेन गेटबाट सर्वसाधारण सजिलै भित्र जान पाउँदैनन् । तर, त्यसदिन यस् तो घटना भयो, जसमा जम्मा भएका व्यक्तिहरूले मुख्य प्रवेशद्वारको भन्दै आइएको कडा सुरक्षा घेरा कसरी पार गरे भन्ने खोजीको विषय त बनाएकै छ, अझ त्यहीँभित्र कार्यालय रहेका सैनिक अधिकारीको 'खानतलासी' अत्यन्त सजिलै गरी हुनुले नेपालमा सेनालाई समेत चेकजाँच गर्ने अर्को गतिलो फौजी संयन्त्रले सरकारी आधिकारकिता पाएको सन्देश दिइरहेको थियो । यसरी अर्कै समूहको 'खानतलासी'मा पर्ने नेपाली सेनाको ११ बाहिनीका प्रमुख सेनानी हुन्, कैलाश गुरुङ । 'खानतलासीकर्ता' थिए, नेकपा माओवादीसम्बद्ध वाईसीएलका युवाहरू । विमानस् थलको त्यस क्षेत्रमा उनीहरूको एउटा ठूलो समूह १५ दिनअघिदेखि नै अड्डा जमाएर बसेको थियो । युनियनका नाममा बसेका यी सबैको जागिर विमानस् थलभित्र छैन । तर, उनीहरूले विमानस् थलको ३१ लाख रुपियाँको एउटा  कामका लागि ७ गतेसम्म कार्यालय समयभर त्यहीँ बिताएका थिए । काम थियो, विमानस् थलका ठेकेदारलाई प्रतिस् पर्धी नै आउन नदिनु । केही वर्षदेखि नेपालमा ठूला रकमका ठेक्कापट्टामा डन र तिनका समूहको प्रयोग हुँदै आएको छ, जसले उनीहरूलाई काम दिनेबाहेक अरूलाई कानुनको रतिसम्म पनि पुर्‍याउन दिँदैनन् । तिनले जसलाई चाह् यो, त्यसको मात्र र्फमले प्रवेश पाउने र हाकिमलाई कानुनको रति पुर्‍याउने बाटो सहज बनाएदिएर सरकारी ठेक्का चाहेको मानिसलाई दिलाउँदै आएका थिए । तर, माओवादी शान्ति प्रक्रियामा आएपछि त्यस् तो काम वाईसीएलले गर्दै आएको विभिन्न घटनाहरूले पुष्टि गररिहेका छन् । विमानस् थलको पछिल्लो तमासा पनि त्यसैलाई पुष्टि गर्ने एउटा घटना हुन पुगेको छ । घटनाविवरण अनुसार, विमानस् थलले जहाज अवतरण गर्ने र उड्ने मैदानको वरपिर िपलाउने घाँस तथा डे्रनेज सफा गर्नका लागि एक वर्षमा ३१ लाख रुपियाँ खर्च गर्ने विवरणसहित एक महिनाअघि टेन्डर आह् वान गरेको थियो । यसका लागि ठेकेदारहरू विमानस् थल जानु स् वाभाविक थियो तर सुरुकै दिनदेखि नै टेन्डर बुझ्ने ठाउँमा युनियनका नाममा तैनाथी सुरु भयो । पीडितहरूका अनुसार, धेरै दिनसम्म वाईसीएलले चाहेकाबाहेक अरू र्फमहरू दर्ता हुन सकेनन् । वैशाख ५ गते एक जना महिला टेन्डर र्फम लिएर विमानस् थल पुगिन् तर दर्ता गर्न सकिनन् । सशरीर उपस् िथत भएर दर्ता गर्न नसकेपछि कुरयिर गरेर हुलाकमार्फत उनले भोलिपल्ट पठाइन् । ६ गते अपरान्ह ४.२० बजे हुलाकबाट टेन्डर र्फम विमानस् थल पुग्यो । खामबन्दी गरएिको र्फम हुलाकीका हातबाट लिएर वाईसीएलका युवाले ओल्टाइपल्टाइ हेरे तर साधारण पत्र ठानेर कार्यालयमा बुझाउन अनुमति दिए । स्रोतका अनुसार, विमानस् थलको सिभिल मर्मत शाखाका प्रमुख मुकुन्द भण्डारीले खाम खोलेर हेर्दा टेन्डर र्फम देखे । "विधि पुगेको र्फम आयो, मैले रोक्ने कुरा नियमसंगत थिएन," भण्डारीले नेपालसँग भने । दर्ता भएको खबर वाईसीएल कार्यकर्ताहरूले पाएपछि एक्कासि हूल जम्मा भयो र भण्डारीलाई घेर्न पुग्यो । साढे ७ बजेसम्म घेराउमा परेका उनले कानुनी रायमा 'दर्ता गर्न उपयुक्त थिएन' भन्ने बेहोरा आए, त्यो र्फम स् वतः रद्द हुने बताएपछि झन्डै ३० जनाजतिको वाईसीएलको हूलले उनको कार्यालय छोडेको थियो । एउटा त हुलाकका कारण दर्ता भयो तर फेर िअर्को दर्ता नहोस् भनेर उनीहरू ७ गते दिनभर ितैनाथ थिए । बाटो हिँड्नेजतिको 'खानतलासी' लिएका थिए, उनीहरूले त्यहीबीचमा मोटरसाइकल चढेर सिभिल लुगामा १४ नं बाहिनीतर्फ गइरहेका प्रमुख सेनानी गुरुङलाई उनीहरूले रोके, वरपिरबिाट घेरा पनि हाले । उनीसँग नाम मात्र सोधिएन, जाने ठाउँका बारेमा पनि सोधियो । उनलाई पनि टेन्डर भर्न आएको भन्ठानेर रोकिएको रहेछ, झोलासमेत हेरेपछि उनलाई छाडिदिए । गुरुङ सरासर भित्र गए र कालीबहादुर गणमा रपिोर्ट गरे । सेनाको एउटा टोली तत्काल चेकजाँचस् थलमा पठाइयो । कर्णेलको शरीर 'खानतलासी' गररिहेको टुलुटुलु हेरेर बसेको गौशाला प्रहरीको एउटा टोलीलाई सेनाले गाली मात्र गरेन, छामछुम गर्ने वाईसीएलका कमान्डरहरूलाई धकेल्दै गेटबाहिर पुर्‍याइदियो । वाईसीएलको कर्म हेरेर बसेका प्रहरीमा पनि यसपछि भने उत्साह थपियो र उनीहरू पनि वाईसीएल ठेल्न खटिए । सेनाले वाईसीएल कार्यकर्ताहरू धपाएको थाहा पाएपछि टेन्डर भर्न नपाएर त्यत्तिकै बसेका ठेकेदारहरू पनि विमानस् थल पुगेर र्फम बुझाएका थिए । वरष्िठ नेता बाबुराम भट्टराईले अर्थमन्त्री भएको अवधिमा सरकारी राजस् व छल्ने र आर्थिक अपराध गर्नेउपर कडा कदम उठाएकामा गर्व गरेको धेरै दिन नबित्दै लाखौँको टेन्डरमा भएको यो ज्यादती पार्टीले निर्धारण गरेको आर्थिक अपराधभित्र पर्छ कि पर्दैन ? त्यसमाथि पनि घटना भएका मितिसम्म विमानस् थल बाबुरामपत्नी हिसिला यमीले कमान्ड गरेको पर्यटन मन्त्रालयकै महत्त्वपूर्ण अंग हो ।

MR_TRUTH · May 29, 2009 11:19 PM

n i dont use the word terrorist, it was political levearge to attain military hardwares n supports from concerend nations mainly india, US n Uk. army themsleves prefer to use the word 'insurgents' rather than terrorist n above all they too r our nepalese folks ragardless of thier ideology  n extreme measure taken to justify it.

yakthung_laje · May 29, 2009 11:21 PM

Yakthung, Good analysis, as you said "if u r to b neutral without any affiliation to any ideology or institution, nepal army indeed outranks maoists in terms of human rights violation which has been throroughly justified by many which is just hypocracy." i agree with that. Both of these organization are not lesser of a Human Rights violators than the other. I remember the word used before George Bush's era was "insurgents" but George pretty much made it a standard to call them "terrorists". So now the common word anyone who goes against the government with weapon is a terrorist. Mr. Truth About YCL: YCL has not done anything productive or creative for me to say anything good about them. They are there to impose Maoists agendas by force and intimiditaion to ordinary people. They are there to protect their Master's needs in the street. There is no difference between YCL, Youth Force, and Hindu Sena, and Nepal Biiddharthi Sangh. About Baburam calling Stock Exchange a "Juwaghar" is something i agree with. Barack Obama had called Walstreet something to the same line and i agreed with that. Trust me its a Juwaghar and i have lost some money in it too  : ) Sid

sidster · May 30, 2009 6:52 AM

This is about what Maoists are: terrorists. Terrorism has no nationality. That they happen to come from Nepal is no excuse for not giving them their just desserts. This is not about the army and how many of one’s relatives are employed by the institution or about their competency. With the destructive influences of the monarchy removed, the army, even with its current imperfections, is certainly capable of taking them on and defeating them à la the LTTE in Sri Lanka. In our region, the tide is slowly turning against this menace and our neighbours to the North and South both have serious terrorism issues of their own. Time and again, it’s been shown that terrorists do not change their goals even if they make tactical adjustments every now and then. So why kid ourselves about this? The only logical outcome is their elimination, the sooner the better. In the case of Nepal, this will have both an external and an internal component. That’s just the way it is. Again, in the end it doesn’t matter how it happens, but that it does happen. The next phase will be costly, long and arduous, but it will be worth it in the end. The other alternatives have been tried and they have not worked.

Peter Bagdas · May 30, 2009 8:44 AM

I would like to think that one terrorist will definitely wipe out the next terrorist. Be it LTTE way or Cuban way. Or may be we will become Afganistan where not even all super powers put together are able to wipe out the terrorism from the country. History is witness how Girija and its revolution of Hijacking airplanes/robbing banks and UML's chopping off people's head was suppressed by King and its Army. History is also witness on how the King KG backed by 100K Army force was defeated by all party led revolution without a voilence. It is interesting how things changed. Who would have thought that 100 people who started arms terrorism 10 years ago were  going to be responsible for secularism and republic Nepal 10 years later. It was so unpredictable. The next war is between PLA and NA and one of the terrorist is certain to be wiped out or submissed. At the end of certain cycle one terrorist will keep its dominance until another form of terrorism is formed. India has been facing terrorism since their indepedence and has not been able to eliminate it. Almost each state has some sort of terrorism going on. Hopefully ours wont be that long. Sid

sidster · May 30, 2009 9:18 AM

Terrorism :- The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons. OH WHAT A PITY A HEAVILY ARMED NEPAL ARMY CAME TO MY VILLAGE...THEY STARTED KILLING AND TERRORISING THE WHOLE VILLAGE WE HAD NOTHING TO DO THEY TOOK ALL OUR CATTLES ,ALL OUR PROPERTIES , AND ALL OUR BELONGINGS ,THEY TOOK ALL THE YOUNG UNEDUCATED BROTHERS ....WITH THEM THOSE WHO STRUGGLED THEY STARTED CUTTING THROAT...ON THEIR WAY THE STARTED BOMBING THE DISTRICT OFFICES THAT ARE BUILT TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO LOCAL PEOPLES ...NOT TO FORGET THEY STARTED BURNING THE VILLAGES ,THEY EVEN KILLED 1 YEAR OLD GIRL , I FELT SO BAD FOR BEING BORN IN THIS MOTHERLAND A PEOPLE SO CALLED NEPAL ARMY STARTED TO KILL THE TEACHER IN THE SCHOOL IN FRONT OF THE SMALL CHILDRENS OH YA THEY GOT THE ORDER FROM KING AND OTHER PARTIES TO TERRORISE THE WHOLE VILLAGE , I HOPE GROUPS LIKE MAOIST WHO PROTECTS OUR FREEDOM TO LIVE SHOULD BE IN POWER , PEOPLE LIKE MAOIST WHO KNOWS THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURES THAT ARE BUILT BY INVESTING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS SHOULD NOT BE BOMBED AND DESTROYED... BE OUR LEADERS .....WE CAN'T BE SECURE WITH NEPAL ARMY COZ THEY DON'T ALLOW US TO GOSSIP AND TALK POLITICS AND DO OUR TIME PASS IN THE OFFICE INSTEAD THEY KICK OUR ASS .....NEPAL ARMY ARE SO BAD ...NONE OF THEM DIED DURING THE WAR OUR ........BUT ONE IMPORTANT THING A GROUPS OF PEOPLE SUPPORTING NEPAL ARMY AND KING KNOWINGLY OR UNKNOWINGLY GOT TO DIE ,....THEY SHOULD DIE COZ THEY ARE THE REASONS THAT WE CANNOT LIVE IN FREEDOM ......KILL ALL THE NEPALESE WHO DOESNOT SUPPORT PATRIOTS AND NON VIOLENT MAOISTS ....JAY NEPAL BHAGWAN PLEASE SABAI NEPALI HARU LAI BUDDI DEAU NEPAL ARMY BHANEKO HAMRO RAKSHYA KO LAGI HOINA HAMRO HATYA KO LAGI HO....ITS NOT THEM WHO GURANTEED US FREEDOM AND SOVEREIGNTY SINCE 1768 .....TILL NOW ...LET THEM ALL KNOW PEOPLE LIKE MAOIST ARE PROTECTOR OF OUR SOVEREIGNTY ....WHO PROTECTS IT SO GOOD BY HIDING INSIDE INDIA AND WAGE WAR AGAINST BAD NEPAL ARMY BY KEEPING BRAVE AND EDUCATED CADRES BHAGWAN PLEASE BUDDI DEAU!!!

raju161 · May 30, 2009 9:46 AM

Sidster – I share your sentiments: yes, let’s hope terrorism will not last long in Nepal, one way or the other. But let’s face it, these Maoist terrorist have hit their zenith – it’s all downhill from now on. That they beat up your father certainly explains your prejudices about the army, but calling them terrorist and putting them at par with the Maoists is just plain wrong. Thankfully, the pieces are coming together and as I said earlier, it’s only a question of time before these Maoist terrorists get their just desserts. The wheels are in motion and somehow don’t think that even the babu jis will be so forgiving this time around.  And yes, I dare say, they will keep your favourite terrorist, Baburam, to the last as no doubt they have other uses for him in this endeavour – no, he’s not going to be a “Karuna”; he’s too much of lightweight for that.

Peter Bagdas · May 30, 2009 9:50 AM

irony is brother, that was the goal of army to eliminate all of maoists n its sympathisers pre gyanes fall. n thats wat i hav been saying that they failed to counter insurgents. i dont mean to demean our national army but the fact is fact n i cant beat the hollow pride. difference is u hav taken sides n see urself a saint n other terrorist by which u urself hav promoted to one intiating more hatred n violence.  there is vast difference between guerilla warfare and conventional warfare n they all r ugly. b realistic brother ur opinions r nothing but to ignite a hell of fire in our country or maybe u do enjoy counting the number of dead bodies. well, i dont want my members again engaging in a conflict that means nothing to them n is entirely political where they hav to hide thier identity n live very low profile n above all kill own country folks, it would hav been very differnt if the threats were external, if u want ur war u can drag urselves from wherever u r now n do the business urselves brothers. most of the internal details of maoists, whereabout of their key leaders, their real identities, actual number of thier fighters, militia, its all out, u can build ur own strategy n conduct ur own operation good luck bro. at the moment i dont think our national army r willing to b responsible for such genocides.

yakthung_laje · May 30, 2009 11:58 AM

errorism :- The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons. OH WHAT A PITY A HEAVILY ARMED NEPAL ARMY CAME TO MY VILLAGE...THEY STARTED KILLING AND TERRORISING THE WHOLE VILLAGE WE HAD NOTHING TO DO THEY TOOK ALL OUR CATTLES ,ALL OUR PROPERTIES , AND ALL OUR BELONGINGS ,THEY TOOK ALL THE YOUNG UNEDUCATED BROTHERS ....WITH THEM THOSE WHO STRUGGLED THEY STARTED CUTTING THROAT...ON THEIR WAY THE STARTED BOMBING THE DISTRICT OFFICES THAT ARE BUILT TO PROVIDE SERVICE TO LOCAL PEOPLES ...NOT TO FORGET THEY STARTED BURNING THE VILLAGES ,THEY EVEN KILLED 1 YEAR OLD GIRL , I FELT SO BAD FOR BEING BORN IN THIS MOTHERLAND A PEOPLE SO CALLED NEPAL ARMY STARTED TO KILL THE TEACHER IN THE SCHOOL IN FRONT OF THE SMALL CHILDRENS OH YA THEY GOT THE ORDER FROM KING AND OTHER PARTIES TO TERRORISE THE WHOLE VILLAGE , I HOPE GROUPS LIKE MAOIST WHO PROTECTS OUR FREEDOM TO LIVE SHOULD BE IN POWER , PEOPLE LIKE MAOIST WHO KNOWS THAT THE INFRASTRUCTURES THAT ARE BUILT BY INVESTING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS SHOULD NOT BE BOMBED AND DESTROYED... BE OUR LEADERS .....WE CAN'T BE SECURE WITH NEPAL ARMY COZ THEY DON'T ALLOW US TO GOSSIP AND TALK POLITICS AND DO OUR TIME PASS IN THE OFFICE INSTEAD THEY KICK OUR ASS .....NEPAL ARMY ARE SO BAD ...NONE OF THEM DIED DURING THE WAR OUR ........BUT ONE IMPORTANT THING A GROUPS OF PEOPLE SUPPORTING NEPAL ARMY AND KING KNOWINGLY OR UNKNOWINGLY GOT TO DIE ,....THEY SHOULD DIE COZ THEY ARE THE REASONS THAT WE CANNOT LIVE IN FREEDOM ......KILL ALL THE NEPALESE WHO DOESNOT SUPPORT PATRIOTS AND NON VIOLENT MAOISTS ....JAY NEPAL BHAGWAN PLEASE SABAI NEPALI HARU LAI BUDDI DEAU NEPAL ARMY BHANEKO HAMRO RAKSHYA KO LAGI HOINA HAMRO HATYA KO LAGI HO....ITS NOT THEM WHO GURANTEED US FREEDOM AND SOVEREIGNTY SINCE 1768 .....TILL NOW ...LET THEM ALL KNOW PEOPLE LIKE MAOIST ARE PROTECTOR OF OUR SOVEREIGNTY ....WHO PROTECTS IT SO GOOD BY HIDING INSIDE INDIA AND WAGE WAR AGAINST BAD NEPAL ARMY BY KEEPING BRAVE AND EDUCATED CADRES BHAGWAN PLEASE BUDDI DEAU!!!

raju161 · May 30, 2009 12:16 PM

Yakthung ji, the key reason why the Maoist terrorists survived had less to do with the army's operations and more to do with India. Ask Dahal and his friends where they spent 8 of the 10 years. The situation now is different to what it was under that idiot Gayne. This time the choices are very clear: you choose the path of terrorism, you get eliminated. Those who don't have the stomach for the fight should just get the hell out of the way and stop getting making a nuisance of themselves. As I said earlier, there is an internal and and external component to this exercise and you don't have to be a Clausewitz to see that. Sure the Maoists terrorists will put up a fight. They don't stand a chance. Not now. All the ducks are being lined up and it's a question of time. The will be hit from all sides with no where to run. If you want to be their human shield. Go right ahead - no doubt you will have your place as a collateral damage statistic. Look my friend, did the deaths of so many civilians get in the way of the LTTE's elimination  - no. These Maoists terrorists have it coming to them, whether they run or hide. Terrorism will be eliminated, they just chose the wrong fight.

Peter Bagdas · May 30, 2009 12:26 PM

Here is what i conclude from my two day marathon on this thread, there are three factions on this thread, they are independents, Maoists sympathizers, and Army Sympathizers. These three are at the three corners of a three equal sided triangle. An Army sympathizer will always see the independents and Maoists on the same page, a Maoists will always see independents and Army fans on the same pace and lastly independents will always see Maoists and Army sympathizers on the same page. For each interests the other two are in equal distance away although the other two are in two separate spots. Sid

sidster · May 30, 2009 7:21 PM

What started off as a strand about that terrorist Baburam was skilfully manoeuvred into a highly jaundiced discussion on the army’s imperfections that basically labelled our soldiers as the terrorists and the Maoists as the saviours - no doubt the Maoist high command have been made proud by such sophistry on the part of some interlocutors. But such venal efforts hardly matter. Whether one describes oneself as “super independent”, “super very independent”, “super objectively really independent”, the fact remains that Baburam, his wife, Hisila, his boss, Prachanda, and the rest of the Maoists are terrorists – it is really that simple. The tragedy for the Maoists is that the only way ahead for them is oblivion and compared to the LTTE’s leadership, their elimination will be a mere footnote.  

Peter Bagdas · May 30, 2009 8:41 PM

level me anything brother, but i dont see ur view as a better solution. violonce r counter productive, nepal was already hot bed for any insurgents or rebellions to grow in any form, it came as maoists n now various ethnic groups. all i was saying was our army including our legitimate  gov, all those parties n even king, i admire his good itention but loath his wrong choice failed in containing them. situation is different as of sri lanka with nepal, they had fixed frontline, precise enemy targets of particular origins n they were engaging in conventional warfare. maybe u r highly excited knowing that LTTE just got beaten militarily n thier leader prabhakaran dead which u exactly want to happen in nepal too with maoists. i know maoists doesnt stand a chance with army if they hav to fight conventional warfare as in sri lanka, but if the war resumes again it will b guerella warfare and same ol' shiity history continues. india is just an excuse n traditionally a haven for any nepalese rebels to kings to hide or seek help from, had our intel been capable enough it should hav been piece of cake to nab them when they made frequent visit to nepal.  i was just saying these r all wat nepal army n prev gov actually failed in when they had  a chance to counter them. well, if they break the peace process n officially declares war again then maybe u can arm urself with GPMG n finish whole belt off at anybody who seems maoists. but as of now i dont agree with ur bloody final solution which is no different than of hitlers to elieminate jews. now we hav different scenario, i m afraid its all ur own personal hypothesis  n as to materialise it  u along with bunch who agrees with u hav to execute it urselves.

yakthung_laje · May 31, 2009 1:45 AM

Yakthung ji- In over 25 years of conflict, which lead to the elimination of the LTTE’s leadership, around 80,000 lives were lost. That’s 80,000 too many lives. The choice there was to take on the terrorists or submit to their dictates. We know what path was opted for and what the results are. With India no longer as accommodating as before, it would take lot less to eliminate the Maoist leadership, probably not exceeding 200 targets, with 300 to 400 in total – that is, if the likes of junior Dahal are thrown in for good measure. In fact, it will beless even compared to Chile in 1973. It might be apt for civil society wallahs like Deverndra Raj and Mathura Shrestha to use such emotive words as “genocide”, but the facts speak otherwise and anyone who has even basic knowledge of the holocaust would find that sort of comparison downright silly. As I said previously, if you want to star as a Kul Bahadur or a Phudong or act as the human shield for these terrorists, that’s your choice. We respect that. You are more than welcome to play the part of the useful idiot for one and a collateral damage statistic for the other side. But I quite agree, that before we allow you launch yourself into martyrdom, we must give these Maoist terrorists enough rope to hang themselves with. For now, it’s the language of consensus, peace, brotherhood/sisterhood, but we all know that these Maoists chose terrorism as their strategy and when your strategy is wrong, no matter what tactical adjustments are made, it won’t make the slightest difference. At long last, it’s good to see that the conditions are coming just right for the rest of us to pay these Maoist terrorists back with interest and in some respects we need to thank lead terrorists like Baburam for this.

Peter Bagdas · May 31, 2009 9:51 AM

the most important thing is they are termed terrorist by the world but we all nepalese welcomed them in our government even allowed them to take the position of prime minister ....with the dream that they will stop violence and start forming the collaborate and highly promising power in the history of our country....but they involved in self interest.... talking democratic republic in one hand and promising communism to the cadres in the cantonment is a dire example of their intension to kill more 13000 innocent nepalese ...to advocate in terms of maoist and pretend oneself like a peace lover is the example of promoting the killing of more Nepalese by its very nature....a poisonous plants can be prevented from growing if they are pulled out from their very root ......i don't know what everyone things ......

raju161 · May 31, 2009 10:18 AM

Peter, Its funny how you think eliminating 300 - 400 leaders would eliminate Maoist problem in Nepal. Trust me no one is more vindictive than Nepalese. The reason why the whole non Mao villages turned into a Mao Villages is because of Army/ Girija leadership with similar thought like yours. Villagers were forced to become Mao to run away from Army harassment and torture. Don't forget that over 35% of Nepali voters voted for Maoists and if 300- 400 leaders are killed another 300 - 400 will be formed until you get rid of the whole 35%. Take an example from Middle east terrorists. US and the world has been fighting over 10 year for all they got and are still not able to win. The war is unwinnable if the most you can take (his life) from them is the least they care about. Here is why i think your ideas are flawed. Anyone who believes in true democracy accepts the majority regardless of how wrong the majority is. That is the failure point of democracy because sometimes 51% of the population could be wrong and could be the rulers. According to your definition of democracy, its only democracy if the party you prefer wins. Being able to address the issue and asking people to compromise is the solution not a Genocide as you wish. Genocide is never an answer. We need someone like Obama to lead the nation. Sid

sidster · May 31, 2009 10:27 AM

sid just wait and watch ........actually even Nepal army should not have to do this ....their own cadres will do this great unforgettable job .....i don't think the person who leaked that video was a guy from Nepal Army ....it was their own caders ...now videos out next .....just wait...it will happen soon ... ANOTHER THING I AM VERY SURPRISED THAT THE WAY YOU INCARNATED AS A GANDI RIGHT NOW ...WOW FEELS GREAT TO SEE THIS ....I ARGUED WITH YOU WITH THE POST YOU MADE ABOUT NEPAL ARMY INVOLVED IN KILLING OF THAT MAOIST BRAINWASHED INNOCENT GIRL AND NOW I AM EVEN MORE SURPRISED TO SEE THAT ...YOU I MEAN YOU SAYING KILLING IS NOT THE ANSWER WOW ..WOW NOW I UNDERSTAND THE WAY HOW CHAMELEON AND THE PERSON LIKE YOU CHANGE ....COLORS ....I BELIEVE ONCE YOU SAID YES KILL ALL TERRORIST ....KILL FU MAOIST AND KILL FU TERRORIST NEPAL ARMY ....THIS IS WHO YOU ARE YOU AND YOUR FLAWED IDEA ...DON'T LEBEL PETER ...SEE YOURSELF..

raju161 · May 31, 2009 10:51 AM

Raju, I dont know how many times i need to reiterate to you that i condemn killing. Both Army killings in the name of restoring peace and order and Mao killings for revolution is not acceptable to me. Anyone who practices killing is on the same page to me. There is a chance that one or more Mao leadersbwill be assassinated by someone be it India, US, his own cadres for compromising with Army and political parties, or he could end up being murdered by a vindictive relative of someone who he directed to murder or others. But it certainly will not be Army. Army has shown that they do not have enough intellegence or dedication to contain the terrorists. I have not changed my stance. Both are terrorists and i  condemn killings by both, one is not better than the other. I know you are smart enough to believe that i have not resembled a chameleon. You are smart enough not to believe half of what you say yourself. You have one motive here, you just want to show it to the thread readers that Nepal Army is a great organization and it will rescue Nepal from its misery. Sid

sidster · May 31, 2009 11:09 AM

Sid now i want you to say 1.Who is Baburam Bhattarai? 2. Explain me the meaning of terrorism. 3.explain me why pravakaran is killed options a)because of his highly threatned nature b)because he was not smart 3) what you think about american government's thinking even the obama administration thinks maoist are terrorist and they should surrender their destructive activities. 4)i wan't you to tell me why you call Nepal army terrorist even they are not in the world terrorist list...options is it because they kicked your dad or because they once kicked prachande's ass/ 5) how can you proudly say Nepal army was not able to wipe out maoist....is everything hidden from you? 6)why you think maoist temporarily came to peace agreement? do you think they were growing so large in numbers or do you think they were in the verge of extinction? sidster please don't be offended i call you opportunist and a thugs who wear a blanket with a potrait of gandhi coz i have figured them out from a long discussion together.... Raj

raju161 · May 31, 2009 11:29 AM

  Sid – what don’t you get? Have you forgotten how the Maoists drove opponents out of the villages if not murdered them wholesale? Even with such terror, they could not secure a majority in the CA elections. And I don’t have any qualms about saying that democracy might have faults but there is yet to be found a system that’s better and in that sense you do get anomalies: yes, the Germans voted for the Nazis, but did that make the outcome any better for them? What is not acceptable is that terrorists like the Maoists and Hamas are out to subvert this very system to impose their warped ideology on others as the Nazis tried to do. That is my point of departure with you. Maoists are terrorists. Their goals have never changed. So far we have resisted them. Now it’s time to take the war to them and do away with this parochial, defensive mentality. My friend the conditions now are very different to what they were when Girija wanted to use the army against them. He was prevented from doing so by the palace – but you know that already as someone who supported Gyane. So much time has been wasted in pandering to these terrorists. No matter how much you may wish to preserve your hero Baburam, it’s just not going to happen even if he survives the internal purges. As the chief ideologue of this terrorist outfit he has a great deal to answer for and the time of reckoning is fast approaching. And this time, these terrorists have nowhere to hide.

Peter Bagdas · May 31, 2009 11:43 AM

id now i want you to say 1.Who is Baburam Bhattarai? Baburam Bhattari is a smart man with an outdated idea, who dreams of bringing changes to his country with arms revolution. He is still sticking to the path that UML and Congress gave up long ago. UML and Congress learned a good lesson with the failure of Arms Revolt and are still defamed for how they formed their parties. Baburam's idea of Arms revolution will make its party look nothing better than Hijackers/Robbers Congress and Head Chopping UMLs. Its just happened that he was the best finance minister in Nepal in its history. And its not because of his righteousness, its because of his dedication and diligent to his post. Also i do not call him the best politician ever in Nepal history. I think he is the best among all the losers we had who held the post of finance minister in the past. 2. Explain me the meaning of terrorism. Terrorism is a policy or ideology of violence[1] intended to intimidate or cause terror[2] for the purpose of "exerting pressure on decision making by state bodies."[1] The term "terror" is largely used to indicate clandestine, low-intensity violence that targets civilians and generates public fear.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T... 3.explain me why pravakaran is killed options C) Pravakaran is killed because SriLankan Army is more dedicated, eligible and intelligent than his own army. He also didnt have enough approval for his terrorist act in SriLanka and Sri Lanka's big brother China assisted Sri Lankan army a lot in getting rid of Prabhakaran.Srilankan army had chinese blessings in getting rid of him is also a reason for his demise. a)because of his highly threatned nature b)because he was not smart 3) what you think about american government's thinking even the obama administration thinks maoist are terrorist and they should surrender their destructive activities. I support any government who thinks Maoists are terrorists and should surrender their destructive activities. I have agreed with many things Obama says and does 4)i wan't you to tell me why you call Nepal army terrorist even they are not in the world terrorist list...options is it because they kicked your dad or because they once kicked prachande's ass/ NA is not Terrorist, because any organation who is in Power is not called Terrorists, they are called Tyrants and Murderers. NA is a demoralized organisation who has no interest to serve its people and given the situation they are willing to follow the same path a terrorist would follow eg: the torture and killing of a 15 year old Child. So it doesnt matter if they are on the list or not. I am sure in your theory the tibetians fighting with arms in china are also terrorists...lol 5) how can you proudly say Nepal army was not able to wipe out maoist....is everything hidden from you? We saw how incompetent, worthless Army was during the 10 year insurgency. They didnt even have an estimate of how many PLAs there were. While PLAs could get inside info of army on where they would locate and operate but NA would have no clue of PLAs whearabouts. Yes. the actual work needed to be done and those inept team couldnt deliver. You cant expect much from the group who just sits there and eats "maasu bhat" in barrack on poor tax payers money. And gues what happened at the end, the mere 5000 strong PLA got some of what they wanted. That is seculism and Republic. Two of the demands that they went to Jungle for. What did Army get?.....Nothing....Thats why they were not able to defeate Maoists in the conflict. What does NA know about work ethic and responsibility. They are just happy to wash their bosses's wives peticoats and eat Masu bhat paid by poor nepal Tax Payers. 6)why you think maoist temporarily came to peace agreement? do you think they were growing so large in numbers or do you think they were in the verge of extinction? Maoists would like to think that they came to peace agreement as prachanda said in his video, which is to fool the political parties and buy more time to regroup and continue their goal of state capture. But i think Maoist temporarly came to peace agreement because india wanted them to do so. India needed to get rid of King KG and they used Maoists to get rid of KG. Its in India's interest to get Rid of Kings which were seen as obstacles for Nepal to become a full statelite of India. sidster please don't be offended i call you opportunist and a thugs who wear a blanket with a potrait of gandhi coz i have figured them out from a long discussion together.... You can call me whatever you want. You have proved you intellegence in this thread. You are nothing but emotions. I dont get offended if you call me oppurtunists, maoists or Peticoat washer sympethiser. My views are with me regardless of your light arguments. Last edited: 31-May-09 01:17 PM

sidster · May 31, 2009 1:14 PM

Peter, Baburam is not my hero and i would care less about preserving his heroism. I am only an observer and i have observed Baburam to be the best finance Minister in Nepal with his output in nepal's history. If the new finance minster outperforms Baburam in finance ministry, the new dude will take the No. 1 on my list and if Ram Sharan comes back with a result he will climb up to the No 1 rank. Get my other answers from message to Raju. You want to sound like an intellect but you lack rationality. The principle of  " Anyone who is not with me is with them " is old now, caused Bush to cost the republican party's fall. I know you would like to label me as a Maoist Sympathesizer but i know that you are too smart to believe that i would believe you. Sid

sidster · May 31, 2009 1:51 PM

Sidster – You mentioned about Maoist victims being vindictive, given your diatribe against the army, what does that make you, especially, now that we know that your gripe against them goes back to your papa’s thrashing in 2046? I am not trying to personalise the issue, but you need to seriously calm down on this one and try to be little less vindictive and more objective.  I also detect a certain amount of nostalgia for the monarchy in what you have stated, in particular, going back to your initial support for that couhon, Gyane. Yes, the Indians used a lot of things against Nepal, but there can be no doubt that if they did get rid of the monarchy, that’s probably one of the better outcomes. Now let’s get to the point. Barring individual cases of malfeasance, the men and women of the security forces can sleep soundly at night having fought these Maoist terrorists and prevented their outright takeover of Nepal. Notwithstanding the lack of clear strategy at the macro-political level, shortcomings of command and logistics, including communications, the failure to deploy adequate air power in a timely manner and the poor quality of field intelligence and its analysis, they fought splendidly in the most difficult of terrains. They need not apologise to anyone on this score, especially, factoring in the limitations imposed on them at the operational level by virtue of the shelter afforded to these terrorists from across the border to the south. Their efforts truly merit appreciation no matter the many, intense and the repeated assaults they have been subjected to from some quarters, which have sought to vilify and castigate these brave and dedicated men and women as terrorists and their opponents, the Maoists, as the heroes. In contrast, the Maoist terrorists know that sooner or later, their time of reckoning will come. They have no one but themselves to blame for banking on terrorism as their strategy. With this they fought the wrong war and the outcome for them is certain, annihilation. The world has moved on from giving any leeway to terrorists. Now there can be no second chances. It’s a question of when, not whether they will be finished off. It’s too late for your chum, Baburam – he’s going to get it both ways. For those who are no longer are prepared to submit to the dictates of these terrorists and live the rest of their lives in subservience to their warped ideology, the willingness, freedom and the ability to fight back is a necessary condition of self-defence, which, in turn, will assist to promote, preserve and nurture a way of life that values plurality and individual freedoms over tyranny. Apparently, you disagree.

Peter Bagdas · May 31, 2009 2:17 PM

nepal army are murderers!!! and terrorists Example no 1-Nepal army organizing blood donation program

raju161 · May 31, 2009 2:48 PM

nepal army are groups of hooligans and corrupt institute!!! example no 2- Nepal Army in development

raju161 · May 31, 2009 2:50 PM

Nepal army involved in destroying Bridges!!! Example no 3-

raju161 · May 31, 2009 2:52 PM

Nepal army spreading terror in the villages exaple no 4

raju161 · May 31, 2009 2:53 PM

nepal army in diinishing womens rights exaple no-5

raju161 · May 31, 2009 2:55 PM

nepal army no to old and disabled example no-6

raju161 · May 31, 2009 2:57 PM

Nepal army destroying future of Nepal exaple no 7

raju161 · May 31, 2009 2:59 PM

nepal ary for killing and torture not for welfare exaple no 8

raju161 · May 31, 2009 3:00 PM

nepal army not showing commitment to the future example 9

raju161 · May 31, 2009 3:03 PM

Peter, I can agree with everything you have said about Maoists party and i care less about what people decide for Maoist party as i have decided to honor the rule of democracy be content with what people select to lead the country, but i do not agree with what you have to say about NA. I had already heard those excuses for that corrupt, inefficient, Master and Slave cultured, backward, inept, and law disobeying NA.Just because i do not agree with Maoist ideologies of torture and murder it will not force me to label another equally bad institution a good one. I would also like to see "what goes comes around" theory applied to Baburam for his directions on tortures and murders to civilians. Lets  hope that Nepal gets a finance minister who is more efficient and productive than Baburam before it comes to him. Sid

sidster · May 31, 2009 3:08 PM

finally to all the blood sucking hypocrites who does not support rule of law ....ever committing nepal army and who supports terrorist and their ideologies

raju161 · May 31, 2009 3:18 PM

Raju, I saw YCL pictures of the same context you have posted above. Bunch of YCL and PLA members building roads, schools, digging wells, routing rivers to the village for drinking water which are good attempts but it still doesnt compensate all other crimes like murder, torture, harrassment, and rapes. Sid

sidster · May 31, 2009 3:26 PM

Sidster - Calling a spade, a spade, sounds like straight-talking to me. That’s what I am about. Maoists are terrorists, Baburam is a terrorist and there is full stop after that. You are the one insisting on adding a whole lot of bull after that – that’s what really stinks.  I am not particularly bothered about how you choose to see me, “a dumbo”, “a pseudo”, “a soothsayer”, “a bimbo” or anything else. This is not about me; it’s about everyone’s right to resist terrorism and to annihilate this monster wherever it raises its ugly head. Equally, it matters not what you are, a PsyOps officer with the NA, Manushi Yami’s lover or Khaptad Baba’s cousin thrice-removed. The only issue where your stance has any bearing is when it comes to the question of whether you support terrorism as a strategy as the Maoists have chosen to do. If you don’t, and I suspect that that is the case, then the only differences we are likely to have is about the means and the timing as to their usage when it comes to fighting against terrorism. Without rehearsing all that has been repeated above, I happen to think that this is the right time to hit these Maoist terrorists from all sides as the key conditions that proved inimical to their destruction have now been removed or substantially negated (e.g. Gayne’s departure, change in the Indian coalition politics, etc). What I don’t want to see happening, although you have every right to do, is you simply wasting all your time bitching about the army because they beat up your pops. You have done a good job in terms of saying the army is not without imperfections and I would second that and go one further to say that there needs to be substantive reform to bring this institution into the 21st century in spirit. But we simply cannot wait for this to be completed before taking steps to defend ourselves against this continuing terrorist menace. There are some tough choices to be made and the work will not be easy. In tandem, I hope that you and I can agree that no cost-benefit-analysis done by any sane person can ever produce a result that makes it alright to give into terrorism – in our case, to Maoist terrorism, with or without Baburam as its leading functionary.

Peter Bagdas · May 31, 2009 3:47 PM

Peter, I would not choose to  see you as , “a dumbo”, “a pseudo”, “a soothsayer”, “a bimbo” or anything else.  I can sense that you are informed and at least you have some of your facts together, so when you present your argument it has some weight in it. Your guess on story on my pops is not fully correct. It may appear that my views are influenced by that event but the truth is not that. The truth is, that event certainly helped me read and find out more about NA and why things occur certain ways in Nepal. The search helped me find out more about what NA was about and what culture they have in them and also made me become politically aware. You are right...NA needs an overhaul...a total change in its leadership who has gotten there with the petticoat washing culture. They need to bring professionalism in Army. Strong actions should be taken against Army members who are involved in crimes like rape and murders. Those army officers who think/practice that the lower class officers are their own properties should be put on probation. And Army should stay out of politics. About Baburam...lets hope that Nepal will get more productive and efficient ministers like Baburam who would not have a taint of terrorism in their forehead and would outperform Baburam's work so that we can call the new guy the best finance minister for Nepal to date. Sid  

sidster · May 31, 2009 4:52 PM

Sidster - The bottom line here is this: the army should be reformed; the Maoist terrorists (or other terrorists) eliminated – that includes terrorist No. 2 (or is it No. 3 now), Baburam; & a future built based on the principles, practices and goals of a functioning liberal democracy. Agreed?

Peter Bagdas · May 31, 2009 5:04 PM

I can agree with reforming army, and building a future based on principles, practices and the goals of a functioning liberal democracy with the minimum requirement of Minimum Work Ethics expected from the leaders. Maoists should be fully disarmed and the ones who want to go back to the path of Violence with arms should be dealt with by National Army be it capturing or eliminating them. It is not possible to entirely eliminate the Maoists as 35% of people of Nepal appear to be Maoists or their supporters but the Militias who want to go back to the previous path should be eliminated or captured. Sid

sidster · May 31, 2009 5:41 PM

Sidster - I couldn’t agree with you more on holding our “netas” accountable and dealing firmly with those Maoists that wish to continue down the path of terrorism. So far they have got away with much due to the weaknesses of the opposition – the buffoon Gyane being a case in point. As with any bully, they’ll back down if you show sufficient resolve to take the fight to them and win. That’s what has been sorely lacking in Nepal and there may be some room for optimism due to the changes in the scenario. For the rest that don’t listen, they can look forward to hell. And for Baburam, he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t - now that Gayne is not around to save his neck this time. Honestly, what a wasted life!

Peter Bagdas · May 31, 2009 7:51 PM

Yeah.. Baburam Bhatatatatatatata-Rai is CHOR.. Insane mad man.. his brain is a screwed poka of organic matters which are rotton. Baburam deserves Hisila Yemi.. ha ha..

Ved555 · May 31, 2009 8:12 PM

काठमाडौं । गत साता बिहान नयाँबानेश्वरबाट माओवादी नेता डा. बाबुराम भट्टराई सहितको एक टोली तीनवटा अलग-अलग गाडीमा गोर्खा जिल्लातर्फ लाग्यो । गोर्खा क्षेत्र नं. २ बाट नेपालभरिमै सबैभन्दा बढी भोट ल्याएर चुनाव जितेका डा. भट्टराईको एउटा नयाँ खालको बानी रहेछ, प्रत्येक महिना आफ्नो गृहजिल्ला जाने र मतदाता एवं जनतासित घुलमिल गर्ने । चुनाव जितेपछि उत्तरी गोर्खाका एकाधबाहेक सबै गाविसमा पुगिसकेका रहेछन् । घुम्दै जाँदा गोर्खाको च्याङ्लीमा भने उनी शनिबार १४ महिनापछि पुगेका थिए । आफूलाई भोट हालेर जिताउने जनतालाई एकपटक पनि फर्केर नहेर्ने नेताहरूका लागि डा. भट्टराई एकजना नयाँ उदाहरण रहेछन् । गोर्खामा उनलाई जनताले आँगनमा गाग्री र लोहोटामा पानी राखेर स्वागत गरे । एकाबिहानै गोर्खाको च्याङ्लीमा ०५२ साल फागुन २ गते जनयुद्धको प्रारम्भ भएको प्रथम कारबाहीस्थलमा डा. भट्टराईले भाषण गरे । उनले सो स्थलमा जनयुद्धको स्मारक बनाउन चाहेको बताए । आफूले जनयुद्धका क्रममा च्याङ्लीमा बैंक कब्जा गरेर ऋणी किसानलाई धनीपुर्जा बाँडेको र तमसुकहरू जलाएको स्मरण गर्दै आफूहरू सरकारमा आएपछि त्यस्ता गरिब किसानको ऋण मिनाहा गरेर बोलेको कुरा पुर्‍याएको उनले बताए । माओवादी सरकारले ३० हजारभन्दा कम ऋण लिने किसानको पूर्णरूपमा सावाँ-ब्याज मिनाहा गरिदिएको र एक लाखभन्दा बढी ऋण लिनेको ब्याज मिनाहा गरिदिएको डा. भट्टराईले बताए । ऋण मिनाहा गर्दा सरकारले बैंकलाई १० अर्ब तिर्नुपर्नेमा आफ्नै पालामा पाँच अर्ब चुक्ता गरिसकेको पनि उनले किसानलाई बताए । कार्यक्रममा माओवादीका केन्द्रीय नेता हितराज पाण्डे -उत्तम) ले च्याङ्लीको बंैक कब्जा कसरी गरिएको थियो भन्ने कथा सुनाएका थिए । एकताकेन्द्रबाट माओवादीमा प्रवेश गरेका केन्द्रीय सदस्य एवं पूर्व विद्यार्थी नेता प्रकाश पोखरेल पनि कार्यक्रममा थिए । जनयुद्धको ऐतिहासिक स्थलको कार्यक्रम सकेर डा. भट्टराईले बिरुवा-गुठीमा आयोजित किसानसँगको अन्तरक्रिया कार्यक्रममा भाग लिएका थिए । उक्त कार्यक्रममा प्रौढ किसान शारदा लुईंटेलले बुँदागत रूपमा किसानका १० वटा समस्या डा. भट्टराईलाई सुनाएका थिए । लुईंटेलको प्रश्न थियो, पाँचवटा टाहार भएको त्यस क्षेत्रमा सिंचाइको व्यवस्था कसरी गर्ने ? कृषि कलेज चाहिएको छ, कसरी ल्याउने ? छेपाटार-पालुङ मोटरबाटो कालोपत्रे कसरी गर्ने ? पालुङटारलाई नगरपालिका कसरी बनाउने ? किसानका लागि बजार व्यवस्थापन कसरी गर्ने ? गरा सुधार कार्यक्रम कसरी गर्ने ? वन तस्करी कसरी रोक्ने ? खानेपानीको समस्या कसरी हल गर्ने ? दूधको बजार व्यवस्थापन कसरी गर्ने अनि टाहारहरू जोड्ने पुल कसरी र कहिले बनाउने ? कार्यक्रममा गोर्खाका अर्का सभासद् ज्ञानेन्द्र कुमाल पनि सँगै थिए । डा. बाबुराम भट्टराईले फटाफट किसानहरूका प्रश्नको जवाफ दिए- बजार व्यवस्थापनका लागि गाउँ-गाउँमा सहकारी आवश्यक छ । गरा सम्याउनेभन्दा सुर्कासुर्कीमा फलफूल, जंगल आदि लगाउनु र टाहारमा खेती गर्नु राम्रो हुन्छ । दूधको बजारका लागि दूध पाउडर फ्याक्ट्री खोल्नुपर्छ । सिंचाइका लागि चेपे दरौंदीबाट नहर ल्याउने, बिजुलीबाट मस्र्याङ्दीको पानी तान्ने आदि गर्न सकिन्छ । उनले त्यस क्षेत्रको सिंचाइ एवं विद्युत् विकासको सम्भाव्यता अध्ययनका लागि आफू अर्थमन्त्री हुँदा दुई करोड छुट्याइएको जानकारी आफ्ना मतदातालाई दिए । डा. भट्टराईले किसान क्रान्ति एवं किसानको समस्याबारे केही प्रश्न उठाउन लायक अभिव्यक्ति पनि दिए । उनको तर्क के थियो भने एकीकृत माओवादीको पहिलो जोड उत्पादनका साधनमा किसानको पहुँच पुर्‍याउने, जसको जोत उसको पोत लागू गर्ने, क्रान्तिकारी भूमिसुधार लागू गर्ने र जमिनको पुनर्वितरण गर्ने कार्यमा रहने । उत्पादकत्वको वृद्धि, सिंचाइ, बजार व्यवस्थापन आदिलाई आफ्नो पार्टीले दोस्रो प्राथमिकतामा पारेको भट्टराईले बताए । तर, उनले पहिलो प्राथमिकताभित्रका विषयलाई त्यस क्षेत्रमा कसरी कार्यान्वयन गर्ने भन्नेबारेचाहिं केही बताएनन् र खाली दोस्रो प्राथमिकताका कुरा जस्तै, सिंचाइ, बजार, सहकारी आदिका विषयमा मात्रै मन्तव्य दिए । शनिबार डा. बाबुरामले मन्तव्य दिएको च्याङ्ली गाविसको जनसंख्या करिब आठ हजार पाँच सय रहेको गाविस सचिव आनन्दकुमार श्रेष्ठ बताउँछन् । यस गाविसमा ५२ प्रतिशत कुमाल जातिको बसोवास छ । डा. बाबुरामले मन्तव्यमा भन्दै थिए, 'यहाँका टारी खेत निश्चित वर्गका हातमा छ, किसानहरू भूमिहीन छन्, त्यसैले जसको जोत उसको पोत लागू हुनुपर्छ । तर, गाविस सचिवका अनुसार पहिले-पहिले बन्दीपुरका नेवार एवं स्थानीय क्षेत्री-बाहुनका हातमा रहेका टारी खेतको स्वामित्वमा यतिवेला परिवर्तन भइसकेको छ । सचिव श्रेष्ठले त के दाबी गरे भने च्याङ्ली गाविसमा मोहीहरू नै छैनन् । पत्रकारले तथ्यांक हेर्न खोज्दा माओवादीले गाविस जलाएका कारण भिलेज प्रोफाइल वा कुनै पनि प्रमाण त्यहाँ रहेनछन् । छेउछाउका अन्य गाविसमा पनि माओवादीले कागजात जलाएका रहेछन् । डा. बाबुरामले भनेझैं कृषि क्रान्तिलाई जोड दिन, भूमिको पुनर्वितरण गर्न वा जसको जोत उसको पोत लागू गर्न जसरी उत्पादनका साधनमाथिको स्वामित्वबारे अध्ययन गर्नुपर्ने हुन्छ । तर, त्यसतर्फ माओवादीको कुनै ध्यान गएको पाइएन । बरु माओवादी नेताहरू 'विकासे मानसिकतामा मात्रै केन्दि्रत हुन थालेको डा. भट्टराईकै मन्तव्यले स्पष्ट पारेको छ । गोर्खाको कार्यक्रम सकेर डा. भट्टराईसहितको टोली तनहुँको दुलेगौंडामा आयोजित जनसभामा सहभागी भयो । बीच बाटोमा राजेन्द्रराज पन्त नामका किसानले तीन सय २२ वटा गाई पालेका रहेछन् । डा. भट्टराईले त्यसको निरीक्षण गरे, एक गिलास दही खाए । अनि, मेरो पनि यसैगरी व्यावसायिक रूपमा खेतीपाती वा पशुपालन गर्नुपर्छ भन्ने मान्यता रहेको धारणा राखे । पन्तले मासिक ७०/८० हजार रूपैयाँ कमाउँदारहेछन् । तनहुँमा डा. भट्टराईले करिब तीन सय ५० को नाम पढिएकोमा तीन सयजतिलाई टीका लगाएर माओवादीमा प्रवेश गराए । माओवादीमा आउनेमा बढीजसो एमालेका थिए । कार्यक्रममा अर्का नेता सुरेश आलेमगर पनि थिए । डा. भट्टराईको भाषण सुनेपछि मञ्चपछाडि एकजना वृद्ध भन्दै थिए- 'यो मान्छे सय वर्ष बाँच्नुपर्छ ' हुन पनि डा. भट्टराईको जनताप्रतिको लगाव र अर्जुनदृष्टि देख्दा लाग्थ्यो, उनी देशका लागि सय वर्षभन्दा बढी बाँच्नुपर्छ । अन्य पिएचडी गरेका बुद्धिजीवीहरू यतिवेला अमेरिका-युरोपतिर बसेर आफ्नो पेटका लागि सोचिरहेका छन् । यस्तो वेलामा डा. भट्टराई गाउँ-गाउँमा जनताका बीचमा जानु, नेपालीले गर्व गर्नैपर्ने विषय थियो । सम्भवतः: यही कुराबाट प्रभावित भएर होला, च्याङ्लीबाट र्फकने क्रममा पत्रकार रेवती सापकोटाले भने- 'म स्यालोट गर्छु यार भट्टराईलाई ! सबै नेताले यसैगरी जनतातिर र्फकने हो भने देश स्वर्ग बन्ने थियो ' बाटामा एक प्रहरी अफिसरले डा. भट्टराईको गाडी रोके । पत्रकारको टोलीसमेत होटलमा पस्यो र चिसो खाने कार्यक्रम सुरु भयो । ती प्रहरी हाकिमले आफ्नो १२/१३ वर्षको छोरोलाई डा. भट्टराईसित हात मिलाउन लगाए र भने- 'हेर्, उहाँ नेपालको बोर्डफस्र्ट हो । तैले पनि त्यसैगरी पढ्नुपर्छ । त्यही भएर तँलाई हात मिलाउन ल्याएको हुँ, बुझिस् ?' विचरा हाकिम साबले छोरो मात्रै होइन, श्रीमती पनि ल्याएका रहेछन् । श्रीमती गाडीमै थिइन् । आखिर सेतो प्लेटको सरकारी गाडीमा श्रीमती र छोराछोरी हालेर हिंड्नु प्रहरी र सेनाका अधिकारीहरूको पञ्चायतकालदेखिकै रोग पनि त हो । जनआस्था साप्ताहिक, ३१ असार २०६६  

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