ब्रो: अंग प्रत्यारोहन को प्रतीक्षा ४ देखि ५ बर्स लाग्छ , हाल सुँगुर को मृगौ सफलतापुर्बक प्रत्यारोहण गरे | तपाइँ र तपाइका परिवारका निकटम सदस्य मृगौला फेर्न लाइ पर्खेर बस्नु भएको छ | यस अबस्थामा तपाई सुंगुरको मृगौला प्रत्यारोहणको लागि तयार हुनुहुन्छ? कि अर्को २ - ३ बर्स यो पछि यसमा थप सुधार हुने र विश्वास योग्य हुन्जेल पर्खिएर बस्नु हुन्छ ? कि कोभिड आफै निको हुन्छ, यो ठुला ठुला फर्मा कम्पनीको नोट छाप्ने मेलो मात्रै हो भनि प्रत्यारोहण नगर्न सल्लाह दिनु हुन्छ ?

Logan · Oct 22, 2021 11:26 AM

Logan, not everything is black and white like your example. There is a great concept of placebo effect that you have to consider as well. On top of that, the narrative on the vaccine has kept changing from day one. Vaccines are supposed to stop person from getting infected with the virus. Many people keep getting infected even after the vaccine while lot of people without vaccines are not infected in the same setting. So you don't know even if the vaccine is effective or it's just the placebo effect. The mind and the body are very powerful agents in the universe. The universe has many medicines to ailments which are more powerful than any man made stuff which thesedays are geared more towards profit than anything else. The medical industry wants to keep you their customer and they want you to keep coming back. That's the harsh reality whether you accept it or not. To make it worse, the politicans get kickbacks from these super profitable corporations and at the end of the day it ends up being your faith that makes you a believer or a skeptic. Noone is wrong because you base your belief on the exposure and experience that you get personally. But some things are very weird as far as covid and covid vaccines go.

independent · Oct 22, 2021 1:17 PM

Hi Independent, I am not trolling, just trying to have a rational conversation "the narrative on the vaccine has kept changing from day one." - Science is always evolving. eg : in earlier days we used to consider only 3 states of mater now there is 4th. "Vaccines are supposed to stop person from getting infected with the virus." - not sure about this, cause from when I know I knew about efficacy rate. "Many people keep getting infected even after the vaccine while lot of people without vaccines are not infected in the same setting." - this is true, but mortality rate is higher in unvaccinated "The medical industry wants to keep you their customer and they want you to keep coming back. That's the harsh reality whether you accept it or not." - this is true, capitalism "the politicans get kickbacks from these super profitable corporations and at the end of the day it ends up being your faith that makes you a believer or a skeptic." - this is true, we need to take money out of politics

Mr33Sajha · Oct 22, 2021 5:54 PM

Mr33Sajha Always open for rational conversation. Keep it up.  "the narrative on the vaccine has kept changing from day one." - Science is always evolving. eg : in earlier days we used to consider only 3 states of mater now there is 4th. You are right in claiming that science is always evolving. But there is one crucial thing that you are missing. Science evolves slowly like it takes years for one scientific fact to change. For example science believed in 3 states of matter for decades if not century and then science gradually evolved to embrace 4 states of matter after much due process. Similarly difference perspectives of science such as the solar system and many other aspects have evolved gradually over time. But not the narrative on Covid and covid vaccine. In one year we have heard tens of contradicting and questionable statements attributed to science as if the people in power are taking advantage of the steadfast standing of science to spread their approved message with the threat to 'believe in science' otherwise you are dumb stupid, while at the same time manipulating the almost holy solid shrine of science into a sporadic faltering waves of changing facts attributed to evolving science. Thus hoodwinking the public into turning science into a belief systems like religion instead of an all encompassing emblem of truth or close identification thereof. "Vaccines are supposed to stop person from getting infected with the virus." - not sure about this, cause from when I know I knew about efficacy rate. According to traditional definition of vaccines they are meant to stop the virus but now with the 'new' 'fast' evolving science more friendly towards the medical corporations, the definition is getting changed to something that decreases the effects of the virus, efficacy rate and what not. "Many people keep getting infected even after the vaccine while lot of people without vaccines are not infected in the same setting." - this is true, but mortality rate is higher in unvaccinated As mortality rate has been calculated erratically counting unrelated deaths as covid deaths in many institutions and using inaccurate testing methology of PCR testing to assert the death numbers, the whole statistics of covid is questionable if not just unbelievable. "The medical industry wants to keep you their customer and they want you to keep coming back. That's the harsh reality whether you accept it or not." - this is true, capitalism Agreed. That's why one needs to be extra vigilant with regards to covid which is being championed by this same industry. "the politicans get kickbacks from these super profitable corporations and at the end of the day it ends up being your faith that makes you a believer or a skeptic." - this is true, we need to take money out of politics Agreed. Last edited: 24-Oct-21 10:16 PM

independent · Oct 24, 2021 9:38 PM

Hi Independent, "Science evolves slowly like it takes years for one scientific fact to change. " - the discoveries in 1800s were so slow, but it evolved lot faster in 1900s, right now there are so many people studying covid and the known facts are evolving a lot in short period of time. "As mortality rate has been calculated erratically counting unrelated deaths as covid deaths in many institutions and using inaccurate testing methology of PCR testing to assert the death numbers, the whole statistics of covid is questionable if not just unbelievable." - say if what you are saying is true and they are chalking it up as covid death as you said, then should not vaccinated death/hospitalization rate and unvaccinated be proportional? not lopsided on 1 side.

Mr33Sajha · Oct 24, 2021 10:58 PM

Mr33Sajha This is definitely one of those discussions which is never going to end but we can agree on the following: 1. You could be wrong 2. I could be wrong 3. There is a growing concern that medical corporations are in cahoots with politicians to increase their profits Let's end that that.

independent · Oct 25, 2021 8:50 AM

1. You could be wrong - agreed 2. I could be wrong - agreed 3. There is a growing concern that medical corporations are in cahoots with politicians to increase their profits - agreed, I am all in for socialization of health care industry 4. till now data shows vaccinated individuals have less mortality rate and hospitalization rate Last edited: 25-Oct-21 02:42 PM

Mr33Sajha · Oct 25, 2021 2:42 PM

5. Across history, we have seen data has been cooked many times to fit the narrative of the ruling class. 6. FDA has recalled many medicines that they had approved before 7. FDA approved medications have caused injury and death in the past.

independent · Oct 25, 2021 2:44 PM

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Sanaklaal · Oct 25, 2021 2:49 PM