@harkhe7 I understand what you are talking about. I have felt the same way. However, this is a different scenario. Because here we don't have a choice. It is India's way or no way. That is the hard reality.To turn India's way into a deal that is a win-win for both countries requires diplomatic finesse which we certainly do not possess. Certainly not when we are too busy begging with no shame. It is important to remember the 1989-90 blockade. The parties then were happy about the blockade. They asked India to continue the blockade to get what they want and they got it. King lost the power and an unfortunate system of government was installed in Nepal. The Madhesis are playing by the same book. It is also important to remember that the Maoists gave false hopes to everyone and anyone to recruit child soldiers, calling it for what it is. They told Limbus you can and should have Limbuwan. They told laborers that the land they work on should be theirs. Somehow capitalism was at fault and they would bring communism and solve the problems. Well the communism they brought bought Prachanda a nice house and a nice watch and millions in the bank. But I digress. In that process, they agreed to a ek madhes ek prades in order to get the madhes parties to support their movement. Madhes parties agreed and Maoists got their andolan. Well, now they want what was promised to them. Also important to remember Bhutanese refugee crisis. How did thousands of Bhutanese end up refugees in Nepal. Nepal does not share border with Bhutan. India does. What happened? When Nepali speaking Bhutanese were being discriminated and feared for their life, India didn't intervene. They didn't institute a economic blockade on Bhutan. And that was a real humanitarian crisis. Military killing and raping people. Forced evictions. Even after living in Bhutan for so long they were not considered Bhutanese. The national census had "Genuine Bhutanese" as an option, whatever that meant. India didn't speak for the minority. They put them on a bus and dropped them off at Nepal border. Someone should put biharis on a bus and drop them off at Raxaul border. And give citizenship to the refugees living in camps instead. After all they are the only group that want to be called nepali. Some want to indentify themselves as madhesi(not nepali), other want to identify themselves as tibetan (while holding nepali passport) and badmouth nepal wherever they go, apply for asylum once they get state side. Born in Nepal and never visited Tibet, who are these Nepali hating Nepali passport holding Tibetans?

dctroll · Dec 8, 2015 11:07 PM

@dctroll why? are you surprised? well, I am not and I have two reasons. Firstly, I am a bahun. I grew up with bahun values and customs. My bahun values and customs were different from my newaar friend's values and customs and also were different from my gurung friend's values and customs. However, our common Nepali values were our hate towards India and love for the Indian music and cinemas. Yes, I was a part of the riots against an Indian actor Hrithik Roshan in 2000. When I think about that dreadful moment, I feel lucky to be not be among the four unfortunate people who died during the riots. Secondly, we know that the political hemisphere in Nepal has been dominated by three political players after the fall of the Rana regime - the royalists, the political parties and the Maoists. What did these players do when they were in power? Did they reach common Nepali people? I think that it is safe to say - NO. Instead, they just accumulated wealth for themselves as you mentioned and tried to increase their power and influence through nepotism and keeping the power in the inner circle. This is no surprise that the most of the top leaderships in all three political systems were/are assumed by the people of two jaats - Bahun and Chetrri. And, you are surprised why some people are not as patriotic. Have you thought that maybe they don't have any faith and trust in any system? You know, when my parents were looking for a potential match, they were not only looking for a Nepali woman. They were specifically looking for bahuni woman. This is how segregated our society is. It is a different story that I married a wonderful bahuni woman, and I feel really lucky to have her in my life. You have really good insights in the history and the situation at hand. I really appreciate that you sharing your knowledge with me and other readers in sajha. My point is pointing finger is easy thing to do, but it does not solve the problem at hand. I am of the view the more you understand yourself it is easier to deal with an outside problem. You would have better understanding of your weaknesses and strengths, and know exactly what you can get out of the situation. Rather than beating around the bush. The problem is the divided people, and the solution is creating the real Nepali values (not just anti-Indian sentiments) that every body will wear with dignity, pride and integrity.

harkhe7 · Dec 9, 2015 7:28 PM

@dctroll why? are you surprised? well, I am not and I have two reasons. Firstly, I am a bahun. I grew up with bahun values and customs. My bahun values and customs were different from my newaar friend's values and customs and also were different from my gurung friend's values and customs. However, our common Nepali values were our hate towards India and love for the Indian music and cinemas. Yes, I was a part of the riots against an Indian actor Hrithik Roshan in 2000. When I think about that dreadful moment, I feel lucky to be not be among the four unfortunate people who died during the riots. Secondly, we know that the political hemisphere in Nepal has been dominated by three political players after the fall of the Rana regime - the royalists, the political parties and the Maoists. What did these players do when they were in power? Did they reach common Nepali people? I think that it is safe to say - NO. Instead, they just accumulated wealth for themselves as you mentioned and tried to increase their power and influence through nepotism and keeping the power in the inner circle. This is no surprise that the most of the top leaderships in all three political systems were/are assumed by the people of two jaats - Bahun and Chetrri. And, you are surprised why some people are not as patriotic. Have you thought that maybe they don't have any faith and trust in any system? You know, when my parents were looking for a potential match, they were not only looking for a Nepali woman. They were specifically looking for bahuni woman. This is how segregated our society is. It is a different story that I married a wonderful bahuni woman, and I feel really lucky to have her in my life. You have really good insights in the history and the situation at hand. I really appreciate that you sharing your knowledge with me and other readers in sajha. My point is pointing finger is easy thing to do, but it does not solve the problem at hand. I am of the view the more you understand yourself it is easier to deal with an outside problem. You would have better understanding of your weaknesses and strengths, and know exactly what you can get out of the situation. Rather than beating around the bush. The problem is the divided people, and the solution is creating the real Nepali values (not just anti-Indian sentiments) that every body will wear with dignity, pride and integrity.

harkhe7 · Dec 9, 2015 7:28 PM