I am surprised they were getting Nepali passport this far at all.

Kiddo · Aug 13, 2014 12:06 PM

Chor, Ghusya, Kisam bata Lutera,Soja Janata ko Hatya garera Satta ma pugne Maobadi Neta Haru ko Chai Rato Passport hune, Ani Bichara Uniharuko dar le Aru ko desama lunkera basnu parne Eistithi akka Sojha Jana ta lai Chai Passport pani banauna nadine.Kasto Niyam ho yo.

satrianic · Aug 13, 2014 12:21 PM

For some reason I am thinking you have to give up your passport (and maybe citizenship) if you accept the asylum visa, is it not true?

Kiddo · Aug 13, 2014 1:30 PM

None of them is true. Only rule is that Asylee cant travel back to their home country. IF found doing so, their asylum status will be terminated. And US government doesn't provide us with American Passport when we asylum application is accepted. So basically, if this new rule comes in action. All Aslyee are stuck here in US and Cannot travel anywhere in the World.

satrianic · Aug 13, 2014 1:38 PM

I see, that was my question. I can sympathize with the asylees. That's deplorable action from the Government.

Kiddo · Aug 13, 2014 1:57 PM

This is not going to happen..yeuta Nirnaya garna nasakne desh ma ...yo pani hudaina..

jholejindagi · Aug 13, 2014 5:17 PM

There is a thing called travel document which all asylee should qualify. You should be able to travel to any country with that. Its like a US passport but you need the visa. Will not have problem re-entering US

Oh_Gaathe · Aug 13, 2014 8:14 PM

According to USCIS (http://www.uscis.gov/humanitar... Refugee status or asylum may be granted to people who have been persecuted or fear they will be persecuted on account of race, religion, nationality, and/or membership in a particular social group or political opinion.  Now using common sense: Why on Earth you need the passport of the country where you can not live?  In English: If you say that you are no longer safe in Nepal and want to live in US why should you need a passport of a country that can not protect your life? If you need to travel to different country that where you have filed asylum; see Oh_gaathe's answer.

KaliKoPoi · Aug 13, 2014 8:46 PM

Well, just because you are granted an asylum to another country, doesn't mean you get a citizenship (and hence passport) of that country. What would then the asylee do? Passport is not to go back to Nepal, but to travel to other countries so from that sense, it does make sense to retain the passport of the original country until the asylee has a new passport.

Kiddo · Aug 13, 2014 8:53 PM

asking for asylum means telling govt of annother country that their own country could not guarantee their safety. Thus asking for a place to live and start a new life without fear of returning to the home country. Using passport from home country means that the person trusts his/her govt to provide safety and other diplomatic help incase of emergency. Asylee should not use passport of home country, instead they can be issued travel document and can return back safely. Tara sajilo chahi ghar ko rahadaani bokyo bhane nai hunchha bhanne hami lai layi raachha

goddamn · Aug 13, 2014 11:56 PM

Think before you apply you fake asylees. Immigration will know you got green card through asylum as it will be printed on green card as A1, C1 whatever it is.

mno · Aug 14, 2014 5:50 AM

If true, this is sheer stupidity in part of Nepal government. Just because someone gets asylum in another country, that person does not cease becoming the citizen of the country of origin. This is a simple fact, isn't it? By not providing the passport to these folks, Nepal government is either unilaterally revoking their citizenship, which it cannot do as per UN convention it has signed against statelessness; or it is creating two classes of citizens, one entitled to the passport and the other not. What kind of monkeys are running the country these days?

yotabhayananisom · Aug 14, 2014 6:41 AM

This is to discourage fake asylees. The real asylees, bhutanese, are not given nepalese passport, I guess. So they are not worried about nepalese citizenship or passport. I guess most of the so called asylees (maoist pidit) are fake. The real maoist pidit are still back in nepal.

mno · Aug 14, 2014 7:25 AM

Mno bro: I'm sure a lot of asylees are not genuine, but once granted asylum by the authority, they do have their rights unless otherwise proven. How can you justify denying rights of one genuine refugee by adopting a policy to discourage 99 fake asylees? On the other hand, will it really deter people from seeking asylum? Last edited: 14-Aug-14 07:36 AM

yotabhayananisom · Aug 14, 2014 7:30 AM

" Using passport from home country means that the person trusts his/her govt to provide safety and other diplomatic help incase of emergency." Nope! Has nothing to do with trust and safety. Has everything to do with travelling other places. Think about it, someone threatens you and you have to leave your country as an asylee. But you have to travel to other countries; there's a good chance you will get travel documents from the asylum granting country, but if not, you still have a choice to use your passport. Has nothing to do with your feelings towards your country. What you are mixing this with is the question many asylee ask about returning to their country, specially those who obtained asylum via illegit documentations. This is not the same case (I made that mistake on assumption as well).

Kiddo · Aug 14, 2014 7:32 AM

The nepalese government knows most nepalese asylees (not bhutanese) are fake. That is why they took this step, I guess. :) By the way after staying in america for 5+ years, don't these fake asylees get american citizenship? Or they become asylee in america for the rest of their life? If they want to travel to Nepal when they are asylee in america, does US allow to do that? Or these fake asylees go to India and sneak into Nepal? I think most asylees after getting greencard don't go to Nepal directly. They go through India their whole life I think. But now when these greencard holder fake asylees nepalese passport expire in 2015, they cannot even go to India. Last edited: 14-Aug-14 07:47 AM

mno · Aug 14, 2014 7:42 AM

"By the way after staying in america for 5+ years, don't these fake asylees get american citizenship? Or they become asylee in america for the rest of their life?" It's a choice they make. They can retain their Nepali citizenship and US Permanent Residency for rest of their lives. Why does it even matter what they do with their private lives? "If they want to travel to Nepal when they are asylee in america, does US allow to do that? Or these fake asylees go to India and sneak into Nepal?" I think this is true. But there's gotta be time limit to when they are not allowed to trave back to Nepal. It cannot be rest of their lives. Once granted US citizenship (if they choose to take up one), I don't believe they would be bound by such rules. All US citizens would and should have the same rights. Having said that, if their fraudulent asylum application is ever discovered by the authorities, they can revoke their citizenships and subject them to criminal proceedings and of course deportation. I don't think there will be stature of limitation in such cases... Last edited: 14-Aug-14 07:52 AM

yotabhayananisom · Aug 14, 2014 7:49 AM

Must be Nepalese embassy getting a lot of passports from nepalese asylees and that raised a question. It is illegal for embassy to issue passport to fake asylees I guess. Don't talk about the rights of citizenship when you are wrong doer. मुखमा राम राम बगलीमा छुरा | The legitimate asylees record will be in the nepalese embassy (like bhutanese). I think 100% of all nepalese asylees are fake fake ( not bhutanese)

mno · Aug 14, 2014 8:45 AM

This is not about right or wrong anymore, if this was about right or wrong, then passport from all those corrupt politicians should be seized. This is a classic situation of "play of power".

satrianic · Aug 14, 2014 8:50 AM

Mno bro, you are implying "Guilty till proven innocent" not the other way round... If they have obtained asylum in the US after satisfying US authorities, you and I can have only opinion about their authenticity. But we have no right to demand they be denied their rights until they are proven to be fraudsters. I agree most of them most likely are....

yotabhayananisom · Aug 14, 2014 8:51 AM

Who is discouraging who? All the family of 20000 who were killed by Maoist should apply for asylum.

magorkhe1 · Aug 14, 2014 11:18 AM

@kiddo if you look at the very first thing in page no 1 of nepali passport you will see The ministry of Foreign affairs request and REQUIRE in the name of governemnt of nepal all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance and to afford him or her every assistance and protection.... La asti bhakhar iraaq ma yuddha bhako bela ma nepal sarkar le nepali haru lai firta lina manche pathayo ni, japan ma storm aauda nepali haru lai prabhabhit chettra bata tokyo samma lyayo, tyo sabai nepali rahadaani le garda ho. If you are not still satisfied look around.

goddamn · Aug 14, 2014 11:22 AM

"La asti bhakhar iraaq ma yuddha bhako bela ma nepal sarkar le nepali haru lai firta lina manche pathayo ni, japan ma storm aauda nepali haru lai prabhabhit chettra bata tokyo samma lyayo, tyo sabai nepali rahadaani le garda ho". WELL SAID. Ani Nepali ko kahile pragati hune wala chaina....India bata ayeka "madde" haru lai Ghuus Khayera nakkai nagarikta dina hune......Ani Nepalmai Janmeka Nepali lai Asylum garyo bhandaima Passport nadine.....Diye pani yetro mahina kurnu parne. News ma hera ....katro line cha jamal ma .....pararastya mantralaya agadi.

satrianic · Aug 14, 2014 11:35 AM

Asylum is based on braod UN mandate and most of the democratic countries are signatory, so most countries are obliged to provide to give refuge if applicant prove the fear beyond doubt. As like eth else countries try to make it harder and mostly they do not want flood of people. So they make asylee as second class citizen without giving them full rights. In america its different immigration is based on humanitarian approach, so they give asylee green card after one year and citizenship /passprt too. But thats not the case with other countries so 150 sth odd countries are required to provide refugee travel document. Its not like they want too. I know if any country don't want to, then it will simply say thats a diffferent story. Heres the difference, asylum is broadly general everywhere but what to do with the displaced is based upon the host country's capacity and will. Nepal ma tetro aayeko haru bichara lai nepal sarkar ka ghusyaha neta haru le k hi garennan. And they were moved to USA. And about travelling with green card, it is only for return to america like a visa. Nothing else. If you ask for asylum first question would be why you are asking me, but not with police of your own country. And if your government /surakshya nikayale surakshya pradhan garna sakena bhanne matra aayija yeha bhanchha. If you have own saranarthi that means you have already declared timi lai timro sarkar ma bharosa chhaina bhanera.

goddamn · Aug 14, 2014 12:13 PM

Nepal government should have taken this action long time ago...but good they're doing now..... Most of the nepalese students who come here in F1 apply for Asylum and that's fake...and i believe illegal...One shouldn't follow that path..do the right thing. US government needs to know that and revoke their asylee status and green card and send them back home ...that's what i think is the right thing to do. Do the right think and you'll be fine. . fraud will come hunt you down..... Yes...say whatever you want to say now.

racheeta · Aug 14, 2014 12:25 PM

तपाईहरु कोहि कोहि असायेलीहरु हो कि के हो ?

mno · Aug 14, 2014 12:31 PM

Whatever, I don't have sympathy for these fake asylees. Bichara real maoist/army bata pidit haru ko ta yeha aaune access nai hudaina. Kehi tatha batha haru le tehi dwanda ko galat faida uthayera fake story banayera asylee bhai ra ka ta hun ni. sabai lai thaha cha 99% asylee haru fake nai hun. Baki 1% chai benefit of doubt diyeko natra tesma pani sanka ta chaina. Yeha chai asylum garda Nepal ma basna sakina bhanne feri green card paune bittikai India ko chor baato bhayera Nepal nai jaanu parne. Ek jana testa mahanubhav ta last year ko NRN conference ma NRN bhayera participate garera FB bhari pics rakhera hairaan. Nepal ma ta katro furti layo layo ajha yeha ko sathiharu jaslai usko sab secret tha cha sanga pani kehi laaj chaina baa. Yesta yesta chan asylee haru.......waiyaat.

True Nepali · Aug 14, 2014 12:45 PM

@True Nepali However you get greencard from dv lottery, joining US army, IT consultancy or Asylum the goal is to get settle here. If you talking about ethics here, non of the above is ethically & patriotically right for a 'deshbhakta' Nepali.

kaalubaby · Aug 14, 2014 1:11 PM

SO it boils down to ethics and whats wrong and whats right F-1: Nepal ko US Embassy ma Interview ko bela US ko degree liye pachi Nepal Farkinchu bhanera Jhuto bolna hune............ DV lottery: Nepal ko police ko certificate 500 tirera banayera...Aflai samet DV bharna naaune manchelai E-spot bata DV paryo bhandia ma Kunai background check nagari america ko green card dina hune.... Consultancy: 2 mahina training ko bhar ma 5 barsa ko resume banayera. jhuto boli boli kam garna hune..... Ani asylum garda chai fake aslyee re...........Ko chai sacho cha yo madhe ...Which one of these is fair..........K Suru ma US ko visa ko interview ma ...Ma nepal farkin chu bhanera juto boleko chaina kasaile Ke Luck ko adhar ma nepal ko BAto bata JPT manche lai DV paryo bhandai ma DV dinu fair ho ta.........Yetra sara dhoti ko consultancy bata jhuto boli boli afno petpali rako chan.......is that fair.......And of all that asylum waiyaat?

satrianic · Aug 14, 2014 1:28 PM

@goddamn That's actually a good argument. But is that why you have a Nepali passport? So that Nepal would protect you? If you still have a Nepali rupees, any denomination, it says "नेपाल सरकारको जमानत प्राप्त यसको रुपैया भुक्तानी माग्न आएमा नेपाल राष्ट्र बैंकबाट .. रुपैया तुरुन्त पाइञ्छ." Now, is that the purpose of a Rupee? To get the भुक्तानी back from Nepal Rashtriya bank? Hope you got my point.

Kiddo · Aug 14, 2014 1:35 PM

@Kaalubaby, seriously?? Green card through asylum and through employment are both ethically and

Kiddo · Aug 14, 2014 1:37 PM

@Kaalubaby, seriously?? Green card through asylum and through employment are both ethically and patriotically wrong?

Kiddo · Aug 14, 2014 1:37 PM

गजब गजब का नमुना छन् साझामा| यति भनेर धागो बाट आज्ञा चाहन्छु| जय नेपाल|

yotabhayananisom · Aug 14, 2014 2:08 PM

@kiddo thats not how i use nepali rupees, but that is the reason why i use nepali rupees coz it has a value and backed by nepal govt.

goddamn · Aug 14, 2014 2:21 PM

@Kiddo I was talking about fake asylee and fake resume holder.

kaalubaby · Aug 14, 2014 2:21 PM

I don't see anything wrong when F1 students apply as students and mentioned they'll return back once the degree is complete (it's the intention at the time of obtaining visa). At that time they had "intention" of going back to Nepal after they finish their degree and the "Intention" changes after they finish their degree so they apply H1b and get green card through legal process such as Eb2 which is not similar to getting green card by faking the asylum and lying that they're in danger when they go back to Nepal. They're two different things. You can't say F1 students lied at the time of F1 interview when they said they had intention of returning at that time and that intention may change after they come to US... It's like you get your green card thru your Employer and people change jobs after working few years. So it's the intention at the time of applying green card through Employer. "Employee had intention working for unlimited time for the employer when he/she applied for green card". But that intention might change and they're allowed to change the employer. Asylum fraud is a severe fraud. I have seen most of the students going through that route in past few years. They go to states like California and apply asylum mentioning maoist threat which maybe true in very few cases but most of the time it's not. and it's true most of them travel via india. Let's see if Nepal government does what they're saying now or they change the policy again.

Racheeta · Aug 14, 2014 3:15 PM

Do I have to mention the visa status while renewing passport? It is not Nepali government job to know our status. Which direction our country is heading? In some point it is encouraging people to go oversees and get more remittance. What makes difference if some one is in Middle east or Europe or USA ?

magorkhe1 · Aug 14, 2014 4:16 PM

Racheeta darling ko kuro sahi lagyo hai...hasne bela vayeko jasto cha.....

giordano · Aug 14, 2014 6:02 PM

After reading all these opinions, I feel like we Nepalese don't want to see other getting the things which are not able to or we already have. What's wrong in getting green-card through Asylum.If American government is granting,anyone can take that. It is US government to decide whom to give and whom not to,not us. Don't forget that our country still runs from huge portion of remittance and obviously some portion of that is contributed by most of the green card holders in USA. We students can't send a SHI*. I would say, if US gives, take it. Jai Nepal

jholejindagi · Aug 14, 2014 7:19 PM

Also adding to the above comment, I have a Green card today and citizenship by 2016 so all you guys can bite your heart out. There is no such thing as right or wrong as long as you dont hurt anyone. You guys can fight and argue all you can but its everyone right to file for asylum. If you want to talk about right or wrong and whats moral...find out who killed my king birendra who was the one behind 9/11 where almost 3000 people died. Find them first and talk with me later...............peace. Also supporting anyone who wants to get GC through Asylum. Talk to the hand.

satrianic · Aug 14, 2014 7:25 PM

I have seen this argument too many times. First of all, I support your claim on getting a passport; even though from a nation's point of view, if my citizen is leaving me and seeking asylum from another country, I really shouldn't care about giving him/her any document, be it passport or anything else. I supported it because genuine asylum seekers will be at a serious jam for no fault of their own. Now talking about envy and people criticism, well you should expect that. I wouldn't necessarily call it envy. Say, there is an apple tree and everyone is eligible for the apple as long as they put in an honest day of work. You work your ass off and go collect your apple, while Chankhey there is just sleeping idly through out the day. Then he goes and gets the apple, lying that he also was working the whole day. Be honest, you will feel a little mad about Chankhey gaming the system and getting the apple. That's not envy. Sure if the gardner is dumb enough to believe Chankhey and grant him the apple, it's his fault, but you still feel a little irate, woudn't you? As for Criticism, you can't expect people to keep quiet when somebody asks a question like how an asylee can get entry back to his country w/o losing the asylum status. As much as you have the right to that status, the critics have right to criticize the way you have gotten it. Hope you got my gist.

Kiddo · Aug 14, 2014 8:17 PM

well said kiddo

satrianic · Aug 14, 2014 8:40 PM

@kiddo agreed

goddamn · Aug 14, 2014 8:59 PM

don't matter who gets green card or citizenship thru how many ways, Americans don't give a rat butt about nobody, most probably they think all of us as poor people coming here to live a life that we couldn't get back then and we all will drown in that melting pot of so called American dream

divorceguy · Aug 14, 2014 11:12 PM

Dovorceguy: It does matter. Those who are fake asylees should be ashamed of themselves. Because of them, real asylum seekers lose credibility and visa process for the rest of the population gets tougher. Satrianic: "Also adding to the above comment, I have a Green card today and citizenship by 2016 so all you guys can bite your heart out. " - Good for you. Sounds to me like your life's ultimate goal is to get the green card. "There is no such thing as right or wrong as long as you dont hurt anyone." - Yes, there is as you have just cheated the system. Because of people like you Nepali passport gets frowned upon. You are also hurting those genuine refugees, who are in real fear of persecution. Stop calling yourself an asylee. You are a mere fraudster. "You guys can fight and argue all you can but its everyone right to file for asylum." - No. Only genuine refugees in the fear of persecution have the right. Frauds like you just fool the system. "If you want to talk about right or wrong and whats moral...find out who killed my king birendra who was the one behind 9/11 where almost 3000 people died. Find them first and talk with me later" - Just because there are more sinister criminals in the world than fraudsters like you, it does not give you any kind of amnesty. "Also supporting anyone who wants to get GC through Asylum." - What more can we expect from crooks like you... Good luck with rest of your life with GC that people like you earned at the expesnse of ruining the reputation Nepali passport. And don't come back complaining later on that your brother's visa got rejected by the US Embassy... Last edited: 15-Aug-14 07:01 AM

yotabhayananisom · Aug 15, 2014 6:54 AM

I have known about 10 of my friends who received their green card via asylum. To the best of my knowledge, all of them filed the asylum since they were thrown out of the school because of poor GPAs. This poor GPAs are the result of their negligence (drinking, moj masti, gaaza etc). Nothing more to say. And now, they complain they cannot go back home blah blah blah.

collegefootballrocks · Aug 15, 2014 7:47 AM

समस्या यस्तो हो ! राहदानी को अवधि समाप्त भए पछि, नबिकरण गर्दा राजदूतावास मा बुझाइने फारम संगै, अमेरिका मा कुन भिषामा हुनुहुन्छ तेस्को प्रमाण नि चाहिने रे ! अर्थात् ग्रीन कार्ड, H1B , F1 के हो खुलस्त देखाउनु पर्ने रे राजदूतावास लाई. अब ग्रीन कार्ड को प्रतिलिपि दिने हो भने तेस्मा अस्य्लुम बाट आएको ग्रीन कार्ड हो भन्ने स्पष्ट देखिन्छ ! अर्को देश मा शरण लिएको व्यक्ति लाइ नेपाल सरकारले राहदानी दिइ रहनु नपर्ने नियम बनेछ ! उपाय यस्तो हो ! पुरानो म्याद नसकिएको राहदानी र यात्रा अनुमति पत्र लिएर सुटुक्क भारत हुदै नेपाल जाने अनि नेपाल मै MRP राहदानी बनाउने अनि खुरुक्क फिर्ता आउने .... फेरी वाइस्याल ले देख्ला ....पुरानो म्याद नसकिएको राहदानीमा नि खै कहिले देखि त यात्रा बन्देज नै छ ... त्येइ भएर यो दशैँ तिहार मज्जाले चंगा उडाउदै, टुबोर्ग beer र ह्याकुला चपाउदै, कृष्ण मन्दिर पछाडीको छ्याङ्ग र चतामरि हान्दै आरामले MRP राहदानी बनाएर भारत हुदै आउने...

ramprasadneupane · Aug 15, 2014 10:30 AM

Thanks for the solution RamPrasadNeupane.

satrianic · Aug 15, 2014 11:42 AM

कुरा खुलस्त पार्दिनु भएकोमा र समस्या हल गर्ने उपाए बताईदिनु भएकोमा धेरै धन्यवाद राम प्रसाद न्यौपाने जी !! केहि न बुझेका कुराहरु पनि थप सोधैछु.. १-- MRP asylee ले मात्र न पाउने कि उसका मुनि भएका Derivative ले पनि न पाउने? २-- नेपालमा गइ MPR बनाउने संदर्वमा,, नेपाल सरकारले पासपोर्ट नदिने भनि बनाएको कानुन के नेपालमा चाही लागु नहोला र?

Purpple Smoke · Sep 6, 2014 8:37 AM