@____bro, my goodness you are all over the place with your logic. Christianity by definition starts AFTER Jesus Christ. The old testament about Adam and Eve is the story of creation. So what should christians do in your opinion?. What answers are you waiting for?. What fault does Jesus have in this?. Christians already know about the Incest part in Creation, so what are you trying to prove?. You know Jesus talked about morality. He spoke againsts the bad practices in those times. He talked about sin and the sanctity of marriage.  See you questioned why they need to evolve. The answer is many followers did not lead by example. Of the many who did, they changed life with what they did based on their faith of Jesus's  teachings. Mother Teresa and Florence Nightingale did it in the service of God. Those with Faith grew over time. Moral values have started deteriorating again. People were greedy last time, they are greedy now. People have lost Faith since they equate God to candy. Faith has begun to disappear.  This is the whole problem. Religion plays an important role in shaping a positive society.  Bro, i understand where you are going with the cruelty thing, yes it is cruel i do agree. But at least as a society, people do get fined for being cruel to animals. Stray dogs and cats are taken care of. It is not a perfect world out here. Yes, life is still cruel. It will never be perfect regardless which religion is supreme.  But we must strive to make it egalitarian and meritocratic as best as we can.  Religion understands life as a suffering. There is no Utopia out here.   

freedom2012 · Jan 12, 2013 9:35 PM

This posting is not for everyone, but who does read it, you are exceptional. Every week, billions of people all around the world attend religious ceremonies in their respective buildings.  Muslims go to their mosques, Christians go to their churches, Jews to their synagogues, Hindus to their Mandirs, and so on and so on. National Mosque of Nigeria Believers of these different faiths gather for prayer and worship, fellowship with fellow believers, and to get a chance to hear text that they consider to be the “Word of God”.  These sites are considered to be sacred places. They often are seen as the literal house of the God or gods which they are dedicated to. Hindu temple in Delhi Within these structures, elaborate murals, shrines, scultpures are put up to represent different gods, angels, and saints. Followers of these faiths will often go to these places to speak to these representations in hopes of getting them to intercede in their lives. Statue of St. Peter Within these “Houses of God”, people will hear stories about the divine revelations and experiences of their prophets, saints, and holy men and women. But the most ironic thing about these stories is that most of the people described in them did not have their spiritual awakenings, revelations or experiences in a temple or building of any kind. In fact, most of them had their spiritual experiences in nature. Don’t believe me? Consider the following examples: Moses Moses experiences God through a burning bush Considered to be the most important prophet in Judaism, Moses had his first experience when he heard a voice speaking to him through a bush that was on fire, yet was not burning.  His second divine revelation from God came to him on a mountaintop. Moses receives the Ten Commandments on Mount Sinai Gautama Buddha Buddha under Bodhi tree After trying different paths to find an end to human suffering, Siddhārtha Gautama decided to meditate under a Bodhi tree. After 49 days of non stop meditation, he reached Enlightenment, and became a Buddha, which means an “Awakened One.” Those that follow his teachings today call themselves Buddhists. Jesus Christ The man known as Jesus Christ is said to have begun his ministry when the spirit of God descended upon him during a baptism ritual performed by John the Baptist at the river Jordan. He then spent the next forty days and forty nights fasting and praying, not in a temple, not in a synagogue, but in the wilderness. Jesus in the wilderness According to the scriptures, he remained in the wilderness throughout his ministry,  and  did the vast majority of his preaching in nature, including the famous sermon on the mount. Sermon on the Mount Prophet Muhammad “When Prophet Muhammad [pbuh] was nearly forty, he had been wont to pass long hours in retirement meditating and speculating over all aspects of creation around him. This meditative temperament helped to widen the mental gap between him and his compatriots. He used to provide himself with Sawiq (barley porridge) and water and then directly head for the hills and ravines in the neighbourhood of Makkah. One of these in particular was his favourite resort — a cave named Hira’, in the Mount An-Nour. It was only two miles from Makkah, a small cave 4 yards long and 1.75 yard wide. He would always go there and invite wayfarers to share him his modest provision. He used to devote most of his time, and Ramadan in particular, to worship and meditation on the universe around him.” [Rahmat Al-lil'alameen 1/47; Ibn Hisham 1/235,236; Fi Zilal Al-Qur'an 29/166] Cave in Hira where the Prophet Muhammad received the Koran “When he was forty, the age of complete perfection at which Prophets were always ordered to disclose their Message, signs of his Prophethood started to appear and twinkle on the horizons of life; they were the true visions he used to experience for six months. The period of Prophethood was 23 years; so the period of these six months of true visions constituted an integral part of the forty-six parts of Prophethood. In Ramadan, in his third year of solitude in the cave of Hira’, Allâh’s Will desired His mercy to flow on earth and Muhammad [pbuh] was honoured with Prophethood, and the light of Revelation burst upon him with some verses of the Noble Qur’ân.” [Fath Al-Bari 1/27] So here you have the founders of four of the major religions in the world receiving divine revelation in nature, and yet today, their followers are literally stick themselves inside in large boxes of sticks, stones, glass and metal.  Does anyone else see something wrong with this picture? Its not only religious people that have become delusional, its also people who proclaim to be scientists as well. Ancient scientists used to learn about nature by actually being a part of it. Sitting around watching the heavenly bodies in the sky, and seeing how different things interacted in nature. Nowadays, they are stuck behind computer screens or locked away in laboratories. The interesting thing is that most of their “theories” and “laws” stem from people like Sir Issac Newton, who “discovered” gravity after an apple fell on his head while he was sitting under a tree. I guess you can call him the Buddha of Physics. Did you get what's the message of all religion??  Be close to nature, be with yourself, live the present moment and help others in your reach. This should be the main mantra to follow and lead your life. 90% of population are just living/leading their selfish life with no simple realization of contemplating present moment and being with nature.  

bittertruth · Jan 13, 2013 12:03 AM

Christianity has killed the least. You have to do more research. How many have died in Hindu vs Muslim wars?. There are no proper records.  If you believe in Mahabharat war, do you know how many people were killed? Atheists have killed more than religion if you exclude the Mahabharat war. Didn't your god wipe out the entire humanity from the face of the earth with his great flood? I mean that is something, isn't it? And here we are debating how many got killed in hindu/muslim and mahabharat conflicts. Your god has serious issues with humanity dude. I mean he is a mass killer of biblical proportions. Stalin, mao,, polpot ain't got nothing on your christian god when it comes to killing. There, I have proved that you christians are savages and have killed more than any other people. And all the arguments that you will present to contradict it are INVALID.

ashishme · Jan 13, 2013 9:56 AM

I think all fanatics need some psychiatric help. so you do Ashish and others.. you all fanatics do really need help.

bittertruth · Jan 13, 2013 11:45 AM

 

BathroomCoffee · Jan 15, 2013 11:43 AM

http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DO...  When my son was around 3 years old, he used to ask me a lot of questions about heaven. Where is it? How do people walk without a body? How will I find you? You know the questions that kids ask.        For over a year, I lied to him and made up stories that I didn’t believe about heaven. Like most parents, I love my child so much that I didn’t want him to be scared. I wanted him to feel safe and loved and full of hope. But the trade-off was that I would have to make stuff up, and I would have to brainwash him into believing stories that didn’t make sense, stories that I didn’t believe either.        One day he would know this, and he would not trust my judgment. He would know that I built an elaborate tale—not unlike the one we tell children about Santa—to explain the inconsistent and illogical legend of God.        And so I thought it was only right to be honest with my children. I am a non-believer, and for years I’ve been on the fringe in my community. As a blogger, though, I’ve found that there are many other parents out there like me. We are creating the next generation of kids, and there is a wave of young agnostics, atheists, free thinkers and humanists rising up through the ranks who will, hopefully, lower our nation’s religious fever.        Here are a few of the reasons why I am raising my children without God.   God is a bad parent and role model.      If God is our father, then he is not a good parent. Good parents don’t allow their children to inflict harm on others. Good people don’t stand by and watch horrible acts committed against innocent men, women and children. They don’t condone violence and abuse. “He has given us free will,” you say? Our children have free will, but we still step in and guide them.   God is not logical.      How many times have you heard, “Why did God allow this to happen?” And this: “It’s not for us to understand.” Translate: We don’t understand, so we will not think about it or deal with the issue. Take for example the senseless tragedy in Newtown. Rather than address the problem of guns in America, we defer responsibility to God. He had a reason. He wanted more angels. Only he knows why. We write poems saying that we told God to leave our schools. Now he’s making us pay the price. If there is a good, all-knowing, all-powerful God who loves his children, does it make sense that he would allow murders, child abuse, wars, brutal beatings, torture and millions of heinous acts to be committed throughout the history of mankind? Doesn’t this go against everything Christ taught us in the New Testament?        The question we should be asking is this: “Why did we allow this to happen?” How can we fix this? No imaginary person is going to give us the answers or tell us why. Only we have the ability to be logical and to problem solve, and we should not abdicate these responsibilities to “God” just because a topic is tough or uncomfortable to address.   God is not fair.      If God is fair, then why does he answer the silly prayers of some while allowing other, serious requests, to go unanswered? I have known people who pray that they can find money to buy new furniture. (Answered.) I have known people who pray to God to help them win a soccer match. (Answered.) Why are the prayers of parents with dying children not answered?        If God is fair, then why are some babies born with heart defects, autism, missing limbs or conjoined to another baby? Clearly, all men are not created equally. Why is a good man beaten senseless on the street while an evil man finds great wealth taking advantage of others? This is not fair. A game maker who allows luck to rule mankind’s existence has not created a fair game.   God does not protect the innocent.      He does not keep our children safe. As a society, we stand up and speak for those who cannot. We protect our little ones as much as possible. When a child is kidnapped, we work together to find the child. We do not tolerate abuse and neglect. Why can’t God, with all his powers of omnipotence, protect the innocent?   God is not present.      He is not here. Telling our children to love a person they cannot see, smell, touch or hear does not make sense. It means that we teach children to love an image, an image that lives only in their imaginations. What we teach them, in effect, is to love an idea that we have created, one that is based in our fears and our hopes.   God Does Not Teach Children to Be Good      A child should make moral choices for the right reasons. Telling him that he must behave because God is watching means that his morality will be externally focused rather than internally structured. It’s like telling a child to behave or Santa won’t bring presents. When we take God out of the picture, we place responsibility of doing the right thing onto the shoulders of our children. No, they won’t go to heaven or rule their own planets when they die, but they can sleep better at night. They will make their family proud. They will feel better about who they are. They will be decent people.   God Teaches Narcissism      “God has a plan for you.” Telling kids there is a big guy in the sky who has a special path for them makes children narcissistic; it makes them think the world is at their disposal and that, no matter what happens, it doesn’t really matter because God is in control. That gives kids a sense of false security and creates selfishness. “No matter what I do, God loves me and forgives me. He knows my purpose. I am special.” The irony is that, while we tell this story to our kids, other children are abused and murdered, starved and neglected. All part of God’s plan, right?       When we raise kids without God, we tell them the truth—we are no more special than the next creature. We are just a very, very small part of a big, big machine–whether that machine is nature or society–the influence we have is minuscule. The realization of our insignificance gives us a true sense of humbleness.        I understand why people need God. I understand why people need heaven. It is terrifying to think that we are all alone in this universe, that one day we—along with the children we love so much—will cease to exist. The idea of God and an afterlife gives many of us structure, community and hope.        I do not want religion to go away. I only want religion to be kept at home or in church where it belongs. It’s a personal effect, like a toothbrush or a pair of shoes. It’s not something to be used or worn by strangers. I want my children to be free not to believe and to know that our schools and our government will make decisions based on what is logical, just and fair—not on what they believe an imaginary God wants.

lamopuri · Jan 17, 2013 10:44 AM

  'मलाई बुवाले बलात्कार गरे'   (0 Votes)   1 2 3 4 5         प्रतिमा बाँस्कोटा ०         काठमाडौ, माघ ५ - बिहानको दश बज्नै लाग्दा काँडाघारी प्रहरी बिटमा एक बालिका दौडदै आइन् । सडक बाहिर घाम तापेर उभिरहेकी महिला प्रहरीलाई समातिन् । अनि बोलिन् 'आन्टी मलाई बाबाले जथाभाबी समात्यो' ड्युटीमा रहेकी ति महिला प्रहरी झस्किन् । अनि सोधिन्- के भो ? ति बालिकाले (झड्केलो) बाबुले आफ्नो यौन शोषण गरेको बताईन् । ति १० बषिर्य बालिकाले आमा चर्चमा प्रार्थना गर्न गएका बेला बाबुले आफु माथी यौन शोषण गरेको बताइन् । काँडाघारी चौकीका प्रहरी तुरुन्त ति बालिकाले देखाए तर्फ लागे । उनको घर पुग्दा एक महिला चिच्याइ रहेकी थिईन् । 'नानी बोकेर उता भाग्यो, सर' भन्दै कराउँदै थिईन् । ति महिला बालिकाकी आमा थिईन् । प्रहरीहरु छरिएर त्यो ब्यक्तिलाई खोज्न थाले । अलि पर ति ब्यक्ति ६ महिनाकी नानी च्यापेर दौडिरहेका बेला प्रहरीले समात्यो । जवर्जस्ती करणी अभियोगमा खोटाङका राई महानगरीय प्रहरी बृत नयाँ बानेश्वरको हिरासतमा छन् । खासमा के भएको हो ? ति बालिकाकै शब्दमा -   मेरो घर सिन्धुपाल्चोकको तातोपानी हो । मेरो आमाले २ बर्ष अघि यो बाबा -जङबहादुर राई)संग बिहे गरेको हो ।  आमाले यो बाबासंग बिहे गरेपछि तातोपानीको बुवाले मलाई काँडाघारीकै एक जना आन्टीको घरमा राखिदिनु भएको थियो । म आन्टीको घरमा बसेर न्यु स्टार स्कुलमा ३ कक्षा पढ्दै थिएँ । अस्ति दशैंमा घर -तातोपानी) गएको बेला मैले बुवालाई आमाको बारेमा सोधेँ । मामाघरको हजुरआमालाई आमा बस्ने ठाउँ थाहा रहेछ । हजुरआमाले मलाई र बहिनीलाई आमाको घर ल्याइदिनु भयो । मैले त्यो बेला घर जाने बाटो याद गरेकी थिएँ । आमालाई भेटेर म काँडाघारीमा आन्टीको घर गएँ । तर मलाई आमा बिना बस्न मन लागेन । पढ्न पनि मन लागेन । अनि म भागेर आमा भएको ठाउँमा आउँथे । स्कुल पनि जान छाँडे । आमाले मलाई नआईज भनेर धेरै पिट्नु भयो । पढाउने, खुवाउने मसंग पैसा छैन भन्दै गालामा पिटेर पठाउनु हुन्थ्यो । आन्टीको घरमा पुर्‍याउन जानु हुन्थ्यो । तर म फेरी भागेर आउँथे ।   म धेरै भाग्न थालेपछि आमाले मलाई आफैसंग राख्न थाल्नु भयो । म र बहिनी आमासंग बस्न थालेको २ महिना जति भयो । आमासंग बस्न थालेपछि फि तिर्न नसकेर स्कूलले निकालिदियो । आमा सधैं बिहान संगतीमा जाने भएकाले म नै खाना बनाउँथे । बाबा घरमा रङ लगाउने काम गर्नुहुन्छ । यो बाबाले मलाई पहिले पनि मेरो छाती र पिसाब गर्ने ठाउँमा छुने गर्नुहुन्थ्यो । अस्ति पुष २८ गते दिउँसो बाबा खाना खान घर आउनु भयो । मेरो बहिनीलाई घाम ताप्न बाहिर पठाएर मलाई कोठामा काम छ भन्दै भित्र लगेर जबरजस्ती गर्नु भयो ।  म रोएँ, चिच्याएँ । उहाँले मेरो मुख हातले थुन्नु भयो । आमा वा अरु कसैलाई सुनाइस भने तँ, तेरो बहिनी र आमा दुबै जनालाई मार्छु भन्नुभयो । अनि मैले डरले भनिन । अस्ति १ गते सक्रान्तिको दिन पनि आमा संगतीको लागि भनेर बिहानै सानो बहिनी बोकेर जानु भयो । म घरमा बहिनीसंग थिएँ । बिहानै कता जानु भएको थियो कुन्नी बाबा दिउँसो खाना खान आउनु भयो । बहिनीलाई त्यसरी नै घाम ताप्न पठाएर मलाई खाना पस्किन  बोलाउनु भयो । भित्र पस्ने बित्तिकै बाबाले मेरो हात समातेर ओछ्यानमा लैजानु भयो । म रोएँ । आमालाई भनिदिन्छु भन्दै भागेँ । उहाँले लखेटेर मलाई फेरी समात्नु भयो । अनि मुख थुन्दै कपडा खोलेर पहिलाको जस्तै गर्नु भयो । बाहिर घाम तापेर बसिरहेकी बहिनी म धेरै बेर नआएपछि कोठामा आउन खोजिछ । ढोका नखुलेपछि उसले झ्यालको पर्दा हटाएर हेर्दा बाबाले मेरो मुख थुनेर जबरजस्ती गरेको देखेपछि ऊ पनि कराई । बाबा हतपत ढोका खोलेर बाहिर गएर बहिनीलाई भित्र ल्याउनु भो । दुबै जनाको हात समातेर कसैलाई सुनायौ भने सबैलाई मारिदिन्छु भन्नु भयो । बाबा खाना नखाई जानु भो । म र बहिनी अंगालो हालेर रोयौं । म, बहिनी र आमालाई पनि मारिदिने भनेपछि डरायौं । आमा ३ बजे तिर चर्चबाट आउनु भयो । हामीले केहि भनेनौं । एकछिन पछि म ट्वाइलेट गएँ । पिसाब पोलेकाले म ट्वाइलेट भित्रै रोएर बसेँ । आमाले ढोका ढक्ढक्याउँदै किन यत्रो बेर लाग्यो भनेपछि खोलेँ ।   आमाले मलाई तेल किनेर ल्याउन पैसा दिनु भयो । म केहि नभनि पसलमा गएँ । म पसल गएको बेला बहिनीले आमालाई बाबालाई नसुनाउने भए दिदिलाई आज दिउँसो के भयो सुनाउँछु भनिछ । अनि आमाले बहिनीलाई बाबा घरमा हुनुहुन्न भन भन्नु भएछ । बहिनीले दिउँसो उसले देखेको कुरा सुनाउँदै गर्दा म पुगेँ । अनि आमाले मलाई सोध्नु भयो । मैले बाबाले मार्नुहुन्छ भन्दै सुनाउन मानिन । तर आमाले बाबा छैन म बाबालाई सुनाउँदिन भनेपछि सुनाए । बाबाले त्यस्तो गरेको भए प्रहरीलाई भन्नुपर्छ । जेल पठाउनुपर्छ भन्नु भयो । अनि मैले पहिला देखीको सबै कुरा  सुनाए । आमालाई सुनाउँदै गर्दा बाबा आइपुग्नु भयो । आमा बाबासंग झगडा गर्न थाल्नु भयो । मेरो छोरीलाई किन त्यस्तो गरेको भन्दै झगडा गर्नु भयो । म त्यो बेला बाबालाई छलेर बाहिर निस्किए । बाहिरबाट आमा बाबाको झगडा सुन्दै थिए । आमाले प्रहरीलाई भन्छु भन्दै हुनुहुन्थ्यो । बाबाले त्यसो गरिस भने सबैलाई मारेर म भाग्छु भन्दै हुनुहुन्थ्यो । बाबाले आमालाई कोठबाट बाहिर निस्कन दिनु भएन । अनि म दौडदैं प्रहरीमा आएँ । अनि आन्टीलाई सबै कुरा लगेर सुनाए । अनि प्रहरी गएर बाबालाई सानी बहिनीलाई लिएर भाग्दै गर्दा समाते । अब बाबालाई कारबाही हुन्छ रे, जेल जानु हुन्छ रे ।

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