Metta,

 

You’ve cited so many problems that comes with giving women their rights as if sky will fall after that

 

I never said that we should not give women their right, what I am saying is because of our poor economy, because of our open border, there is possibility of misuse of that provision by easy life seeking people from across the border so in order to minimise (100% avoidance is not possible) such possibility wanted to put some restriction so that it will be difficult for those profit seeking people to misuse our system.

I don’t know why you are still me not agreeing women to give their rights inspite of you agreeing to put some restriction to it.

 

Those restriction are not restriction put on womens right those are the preventive measures taken to avoid misuse.

 

 I am not convinced that there will be any significant threat to Nepal’s national economy or security

 

You know US economy is more than 1000 times bigger than Nepal and they have approximately 10 million illegal immigrants who are in US for work and make money so that they can feed their family back home. There is always a big talk about how to deal with immigrants (economic immigrants). In 2014 they deported more than 100K immigrants. You see world’s largest economy is worried about economic immigrants taking opportunity from US citizens are legal immigrants.

So, economy wise Nepal should be worried if there are 10,000 profit seeking people from the other side of the border.

 And I am sure if we put no restriction there will be more than 10,000 ppl will be legally able to take nepali citizenship which will badly affect our economy.

Actually Nepal has no economy at all, we are run by poor Nepali people working  in middle east and sending money back home. You and me actually don’t help Nepal’s economy.  Those poor Nepalis working hard and sending dollars to Nepal  rupiyah and dollar exchange rate is approx 100, If some how middle eastern countries stop recruiting Neplese, Nepal will run out of dollar in a year and exchange rate will easily be 200 rs per dollar. In such case those 10,000 will cost us a lot.

If US is careful about economic immigrant then why should not we.

जुन गोरु को सिङ छैन उस्को नाम तिखे bhanya jasti bhayena ?

Second, How many Tibetian refugees in Nepal? Approximately 20,000 or even less, China world’s largest economy, largest population is always careful that those people and always ask Nepal to check on them.

Nepals population and economy in comparison to China is peanut, and still we should close our eyes about possible economic downfall? How could that be logical?

Third

Nepal has already got enough of that.

I agree with you here. Because of many obstacles Nepalese economy is fragile, one small kick can render it defunct. This demands us to be extra vigilant about possible predators, instead of becoming indifferent.

Building a country, building a economy requires long lasting endeavour. But few misplaced decision will easily destroy a country or a economy.

You’re contradicting here. Are you saying that children born of nepali girl marrying with indian guy will be more interested to get Indian citizenship than nepali citizenship? Then why’re you so worried? I don’t think India allows dual citizenship either. So that kid either have a choice to become nepali or indian citizen.

 

My answers were getting longer so I escaped the explanation here.Actually it was a short of Sarcasm. Theorticall because India is richer than Nepal, opportunity is more there so they are supposed to be interested in taking Indian citizenship rather than nepali. But reality is different MAJORITY of those like to take Nepali citizenship.

 WHY? according to data provided by UN and other agencies life of average people in Nepalis better than India, life of average women in Nepal is better than in Indian, life of average kids in Nepal is better than in India.

Average Nepali women and kids get more nutritious food than in India. And many of Nepali women married to Indian guys are either average or below average (economy wise) so for them Nepal can provide better life than India, this is the reason.

Now in the name of equality should we give citizenship to them without any restriction? This will destroy our economy. 10,00 of such people will be enough to make our economy unstable.

How muc you are helping Nepali economy personally? We all know  that Nepals economy is sustained by hard work of Nepalis working in middle east. every day at least two nepalis die in middle east because of poor working condition.

Metta I don’t know where you live, but if you live in US, Europe or some other rich country you don’t have right to create a situation where contribution from those people will misused to the welfare of people who has right in different country.

अर्का को दुख्ह को कमाइ मा आफ्नो अधिकार खोज्ने होइन आफ्नो अधिकार को लागि आँफैले contribute गर्न पर्छ

In terms of GDP, Nepal spends more in health and education than India, Bangladesh, Pakistan and Sril Lanka (World factbook).

I do care because My Company deducts tax from my salary and sends to Nepal government account every month. I DON’T WANT some easy life seeking people get Nepali citizenship and enjoy the benefits generated by tax paid by me and other hard working fellow Nepalese.

My dear friend Metta,

How much do you contribute to Nepali budget? Do you pay tax from the money you earn? If not why you are so interested to tell how Nepal should increase mouths instead of increasing working hands. Till date I have paid a lot of tax, much more than a “sachib” of Nepal woild have paid. And I want my tax money to be used for eligible Nepalis only.

These days it has become so fashionable among politician and ppl living in western countries to adopt a popular slogan to gain popularity but they close eyes how the population will be supported economically. Social security to ppl who didn’t had job in their life time, Free school, free health service, free birthing centers cost money you know ? (Although 50% of these will be siphoned by corrupt politicians.)

In India there are little more than 20 million Bangladeshi and Indians always hate those, don’t want them and always complain that those Bangladeshi taking away opportunity from Indians. Why should not Nepali worried about easy life seeking migrants the from other side of the border.

 For that, certificates from school, marriage certificate in Nepal, birth certificate in Nepal, evidence of living in Nepal from state agencies can be added. Does that address your concern? If no, please tell me what other concerns you have.

 

My point from the beginning was this, these are the documents we need and if misused badly may be need to add few more, but I don’t know yet. Also, if life of the average population of India become richer, their life quality become better than nepali, we need to reduce restrictions, may be birth certificate will be enough. Similarly if Nepal’s economy becomes far better and if we need more manpower then also we need to reduce these restriction

These are done to save nepali economy from possible downfall from easy life seeking people who want to take advantage or misuse facilities provided by Nepal and India. These restrictions are strategic and changes with time and economic condition both in Nepal and india. These restrictions should not be seen as anti women’s right and anti India. thats is all

 

If the children of nepali girl or indian guy chose to stay in Nepal and has been living in Nepal for certain number of years, these children should get nepali citizenship. Period.

 

Here I would look the situation in different way. The question is why someone wants to live in Nepal instead of India where he has full right?

 What is the reason?

 Was he/she convicted In India? Do they want to stay in Nepal because many things are free in Nepal compared to India?  Are they paying taxes or not? Do they have criminal record in Nepal? Are they involved in illegal activities as defined by nepal’s law?

If they are convicted in India, they can not stay in Nepal, they should be deported.

If they are not contributing (by working here, by paying tax or by providing speciality services) they can not live in Nepal.

They will be burden to our society. They have full right in India so they should live in India, use Indian Tax payers money, not nepali taxpayers money.

My friend,

If you are not paying tax to Nepal, you don’t have right to increase the burden of other Nepal tax payers.

I pay tax to Nepali  govt so it is my right to ask nepali govet not to provide citizenship forpeople who have rights in other country, because THIS  will increase burden to me, by government increasing tax.

I live abroad, but haven’t taken citizenship of any country, use nepali passport, do not have passport of any other country I pay tax to nepal govt. That is why I do Have right to say how nepali government should spent my tax money.

Do you do the same? If you are living abroad, do you have only Nepali passport? Are you citizen of Nepal ONLY ? not any other country?

If yes, or if you are living in Nepal then you have right to say how Nepal government should do or not do about citizenship.

It has become a fashion in sajha or in other nepali websites for  ex Nepalis to gain virtual popularity by posting, accepting popular slogan. I would like to request those people stay away from interfering nepals policy. Once you gave up Nepali citizenship you already lost that right.  Positive contributions are always welcome off course.

 

Parent’s information have to be filled. But Nepal gives MAIN importance to FATHER, not MOTHER. It doesn’t care who the mother is or where it come from as long as father is from Nepal. Are you still saying that women in Nepal are treated equally?

Yes I agree, our law gives main importance to father, this is because by tradition properties family properties in fathers name, he gets that from his father. So if father helps someone else to get citizenship in Nepal he has to think many times. If he says he is the father of someone then that guy will be legally able to ask for “ansa”. Once women will start to have property in their name they will also think twice to say someone else is her son/daughter because he/she can legally ask for property from mother too. Although this measure isnot that effective for people which do not have much property.

These things changes with time depending upon the structure of nepali society.

Exactly. That was one of the responsibilities during ‘Sati Pratha’. Women were asked to be responsible by getting burned alive with their dead husband to BEAR the

You got me wrong here.we live in modern day so we follow modern day western world,not the ancient world.Modersn day society says rights comes with responsibility. If you pay more , you get more. If you pay for pension more, during you youth you will get more penson when you retired otherwise  just the basic which is not enough forliving.

That is why when politicians say “pahichan” in Nepal.Present day “Pahichan” was build in ancient times so don’t look to continue same pahichan now, make new pahichan. Olden days pahichan is just a history, and should be used only for reference. That’s all.

 Here you go again on your crusade to make women WISE. Do you seriously think women are dumb till now and YOUR WAY to make them WISE is by denying their rights?

 

Here I don’t have to say any thing you compare Nirmala adhikari who had such a tragic time in her life and those women who failed to prepare proper documents for their kids.

Tell me which law prevents me to say dumb to dumb people? Western society teaches you to tell truth. I am not saying dumb to all women am I?  I posted this thread because I was impressed by courage Nirmala adhikari and her husband showed. You failed to notice that. What do you think? all women are intelligent or what. I will always say dumb to dumb people be they be a man or women. Intelligent to intelligent people, I don’t discriminate based on gender.

And, I am sorry, who are you to take away my right to say dumb to dumb people.

LOL on your accusation. I’m talking about RIGHTS, you’re talking about NATIONALISM. Go figure, who’s who. Did I accuse you of becoming ultra-nationalistic? I don’t remember.

I have not checked but I f I have done so, I take back my statements.

 

 Here you go again on your crusade to make women WISE. Do you seriously think women are dumb till now and YOUR WAY to make them WISE is by denying their rights?

 

You got me wrong here. What I meant to say was, if some one is father he can not say no to provide his citizenship copy for his son/daughter. He is obliged by Law to do so.

A legally married wife can take him to court at no cost. Government will pay for it there is free legal help from government.

What if there’re tons of people with illnesses? Are you still going to insist about Prevention or CURING? We’re talking about people with problems here, and we need the SOLUTION for these people. Prevention is not going to cure them.

In such case prevention and curing should go side by side. If someone fails to take proper prevention whose fault is that?

Here prevention is for future so that there would be not many such cases and cure is such cases should be handle case by case basis not writing a blank cheque. I never said that those people should not get citizenship. Only not with blank cheque that’s all.

 

I’m asking for change in such discriminatory laws

 

I think everyone agrees on that. we differ just in types of solution that’s all. I also prefer to change law with some restriction that’s all and that too not with intention of denying equal rights but with intention to prevent possible economic fallout. And those restrictions will changes with time. Restriction to ask the evidence not for anything else,is that too much to ask?