Metta,

 

I think you are deviating from the point

 

.... You sound too gibberish now,,,

Lol, if someone doesn’t agree with you he/she sound gibberish, come with some valid logic. “This my way is the high way: types of thinking will not solve any problem.  You are free to call me anything but that will not solve the problem of those women who are suffering.

Why do we need to secure nepali economy only from women and not from men?

 

Do you really know what I am saying? Do you really know the issue here? I am not saying we don’t need to secure nepali economy from men. You just pick up one line and pretest you better read entire reply.

The condition applies to women because women go to India after marrying Indian dude, their kids have right to have Indian citizenship. Why someone wants to take citizenship of Nepal instead of India ? And this situation does not happen when a nepali guys marries Indian gal, she come s to Nepal , Nepali guys doesn’t go to India. Because the situation is like this that’s why it will effect Nepali economy.

 

And don’t say I am against women right, if you are able to think rational I have not opposed the Indian women right when she marries a Nepali guy. If I support Indian women kids  getting Nepali citinzen  when she marries nepali guy , I am just looking for reciprocal, when Nepal women marry  Indian guy their kids have right to be Indian citizen. Now what do you think we should give them Nepali citizen too> dual citizen? just because he /she was bor from Nepali women. I am not in popularity competition in sajha. I don’t want to support things which has big hole in it, not as a fashion, I will not support blindly just because it is a trend.

 

Who is ultra nationalistic here me or you ?  Just because someone says he/she is my son/daughter we have to believe and give citizenship without any prove?  Whereas Indian women marrying Nepali guy has to renounce her Indian citizenship to get Nepali citizenship. They need to produce paper of their marriage, marriage registration, birth registration. But when women is Nepali I have to accept whatever she says if right just because she is Nepal?

When Indian women married to Nepal guy need to produce citizenship Nepali women should also do that. When Indian women married to Nepali guy need to produce marriage certificate Nepali women also requires meet such regulation. Just because she is Nepali she can not avoid by laws. Doing that will be discrimination between Indain women married to Nepali men and Nepali women. You sound ultra nationalistic not me. 

 

I think you are blinded by your own logic you failed to see my support for Nepali citizenship for kids born from Indian women married to Nepali men. Are Indian women are not women only Nepali women are women? Here you are seeing only one side of the coin, your side please try to see  the other side of the coin too.

 

Are you the type of guys during old days of sati pratha who blamed women refusing to be burned along with their dead husband? Are you the one who cited all the texts blaming women and teaching them their responsibility that women should be RESPONSIBLE to die along with their husband?

 

Lol---Such a irrelevant logic, which western world you are talking about. The western world you are talking about does not exists any more. May be you are dreaming. I AM TALKING ABOUT THAT WESTERN WORLD Which DO NOT ACCEPT VERBAL evidence when it comes to birth and death. In many European schools you cannot admits your child unless you have vaccination card or a written letter from doctor saying that the child was given all necessary vaccination. Verbal is not enough. You gave the example of western world which existed may be 500 years ago.

And I accept at those time city state accepted verbal evidence if mother said the child is mine then Kings or government accepted that. BUT not Now ,Now they will ask you papers.

ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT WE should ACCEPT middle age EUROPEAN system?  A western educated person and a western administrative system will never accept when issuing citizenship card/passport a verbal from mother, they need to see paper which proves  what she is saying. Yes I lived in western world for many years that’s why I don’t accept verbal from mother that the child is her kid. I will accept offcourse if there are supporting paper. In the name of western education teach us not to support anything blindly.

 

What kind of responsibility are we talking about? Why does this apply to only women and not to men?

Again picking one line and opposing it without grasping the meaning of entire posting.

It applies both to men and women I never said that it applies only women did I. I was telling a clever woman will understand that her partner is not willing to fulfill his duty so she will not continue the partnership and save herself from trouble. I said there are good people and there are bad people if you are able to recognise bad people earlier that will be good. Empowering women will help her to understand this and you opposite this. Looks like you don’t know what is good and what is bad. May be you do not qualify to talk about rights and equality.

 

You’ve no right to blame women. They’ve their right to marry whoever they want and protest against discrimination by state and you. I support this cause.

 

What are you saying? Did I said they don’t have right to marry whomever they want? I said when they practice their right to marry whomever you want they must also be ready to bear the responsibility. Rights come with responsibility your decision.

If I get married with some gal and in due course of time she ran away with another man who is responsible for choosing wrong women, me isn’t it? In western world people are responsible for their action whether it is men or women. If you choose wrong partner for your life, it is you who is responsible no one else. That is why we need to make women wise enough to choose right partner so that she won’t face any problem in future.

 

  What are you talking about? What papers are you talking about? Don’t you understand that current law doesn’t grant citizenship unless the children bring their father’s citizenship? All other documents come second. The first document they’re looking for is evidence from father.

 

Lol,  I think you are dreaming again. Once someone get married, it has to be registered within 35 days. This is within the honeymoon period. Both husband and wife can go to municipality or ward office to register their marriage. In VDC VDC secretary will issue marriage registration certificate.  Every FM radio once a while runs advertisement about marriage registration. It is the job of both husband and wife. And this is also job of mother in law (who is also a woman) and father in law too.

1990 many ingo, ngo are getting money in the name of women empowerment. Government is running many program. Women education is almost 50%. Also when women give birth in birthing center (Nepal is praised by UN for setting birthing center in almost every village in Nepal. Now Birthing center, hospitals issue birth certificate wher they include fathers name/mothers name , time of birth and address. They don’t need husbands citizenship there.

In terai area If you go to birthing center for birth cost is free and women will get 500 RS, In Hilly area they get 1000 rs and in mountainous are they get 1500 rs from government. Plus free medicine free check ups.

Those birthing centers are not excellent not upto the standared but it is free .better than giving birth at home and child willget birth certificate. That money coves the transportation cost.

Also if women makes visit to the doctor four times (doctor suggested time) during pregnancy they get free medicine, check up is free and in the end they get about 400 RS.

During those visit doctor/health assistant will give valuable information about birth certificate.

So husband’s citizenship will be in municipality or in VDC once they registered their marriage. IF women insist on giving birth in birthing center she will get birth certificate too so she is getting some money, free check ups and papers for her child.

Once you have copy of husbands citizenship in municipality you can request a copy of it. Or even CDO office can ask municipality to provide one. You see where there is a will there is a way. The system is not 100% perfect but it do works in many instances.

Also if the husband had some property transfer form his father to his name in “malpot office” they don’t do property transfer without citizenship so one copy of citizenship is in land revenue office too.

Because in Nepal by law husband are required to provide his paper for child citizenship. It is not optional for him.

Husband is responsible BY law, it is not optional for him, I think I said it loud and clear. Yes

 

  Why do you want to teach responsibility only to women? I thought you knew better. Are you saying that women should be able to forsee if their husband will disappear or not? You make no sense here.

 

hasna pani katti hasnu..... Because they are facing hardship because of ther husband. What you want me to do go and catch every one of those men and bring in front of their wife? Tell me what option do you have? What will you do? Just come in sajha are and criticizing me won’t solve the problem of those women. As I said before there are good people there are bad people. Bad people always run away from their responsibility.

One way is to giving them enough education so that they know what to do after marriage what are the papers required etc. You can not control the person who ran away can you?

Have you herd about prevention is better than cure.I am looking for prevention rather than proposing cure which has loophole.

Your examples of US and European citizenship doesn’t apply here.

 

Yep, here you go again  when it comes to education, women right US and European system  applies but when try to apply their system that does not apply. yes my friend rights applies ,responsibilities and system does not apply very good reasoning.

 They don’t need your sympathy. I clearly see now you want to CONTROL women, don’t you? Do you ALWAYS like to blame women?

 

Lol, Just because someone is women I should not blame?? Is it against the law?? I want to control women re? I don’t want to control anyone I want people controlled by the system, law. No one should above the law Western law teaches you to be responsible and abide by the law if the law is democratic you should abide by it. One can not say whatever I say is right everything else is wrong.

  You’ve no idea what you’re talking about. Can you make a guess who is likely to or does cheat more often? Men or women?

 

I do not have statistics. If you have some reliable statistics please do provide I will be grateful. What I know is can you clap with one hand only. How can men cheat if there is no other part?

 

For rest of your reply yeah you can blame me for every suffering, I don’t mind but that will not end the suffering. Because it is esy to blame someone for someone else syffering when someone says need to be careful.

 

MOST importantly, you have already agreed to put some restriction. That is what all wanted.  Rest is just side talk.

Hurray,

It is ok my friend. No problem. If you fail to understand what I am saying then it is not my problem.  By labelling me not rational  the problem willnot disappera. And I dont expect everyone to understand my points. This is a free world.

It is very easy to popular slogan. But reality is different. If reality was  like as easy as accepting the popular slogan, majority of the world population would not live in poverty and crimeless socety.

aalukojhol

lol, I am not denying anyones right. My concept was a situational judgement. Popular judgement , well, you dont need to make one, just follow the crowed. That is what Prachanda is doing in Nepal just acepting what the crowed says,and the crowed too his own followers crowed. 

He acepts one thing in meeting goes out to consult with his crowed crpwed says otherwise. He denies the  points he acepted before. Prachanda has just became a messenger of the crowed between rulling allience and opposing allience.

Yeah it was also very easy for me to accept the popular slogans but ground situation in Nepalis different so I come to the concept outlined above.

Nepalilaure ji 

तिब्बती जस्तो देखिने लाई नागरिकत बिना सपोर्टिङ् डकुमेन्ट् नागरिकता दियो भने तिब्बती पर्ला भन्ने डर, तिब्बती हरुले त्यसरी नागरिकता लिएर नेपाल मा  चाइना  बिरोधी  गतिबिधी गरेर, चाइना  ले भित्र भित्रै पेल्छ नेपाल लाई नागरिकता दिन मा कडाइ गर भनेर.

एक साल अघी  सुन्न भएन घुस खाएर नगाल्यन्ड को बिद्रोही लाई नागरिकता दिदा भरत ले पेलेको। अब घुस पनि दिन नपर्ने कसैले बोलेको भार मा नागरिकता पैने भये के हाल होला?

राजाबादी हरु को पपुलर नारा को पछी  लागेर, राज्गढ्ही गुम्दा ज्ञानेन्द्र ले पत्तै पाएनन, हुस्सु भएपची के गर्नी। अब हामी पनी पपुलर नारा को पछाडि लागेर हुस्सु हून त भएन नि  

भरत बाट आउने मुसल्मान ले नेपाली नगरिल्त लिएर नेपालबाट भारतीये बिरोधएे कारबाही गर्छन् भनेर भरत ले कडाइ गरी र छ।अहिले त घुस खाएर दिये पनि त्यो गल्ती हो पछी रध्ह गर्न मिल्छ, तर एक जन महिलले भनेको भर मा नागरिकता दिदै जने हो भने, नागल्यन्द्, मिजोरम

सिमाबर्ती भारतीये  क्षेत्र का  मुसल्मान, तिब्बती हरु लाई नागरिकता लिना स्जिलो हुन्छ र त्यो गाई कनुनी पनि हुँदैन अनी पछी नेपाल मा गन्जागोल हुन्छ कि हुँदैन।  तेसो गर्द नेपाल मा ब्ल्याक् मनि, ड्रग् मनि बढ्छ। पछी दुख्ह पाउने त नेपाली ले नै हो।प्रचन्ड ले पपुलर हुन जस्लेजे वन्योतेही मन्दै हिनेन आखिर अहिलेजोकर जस्त भको छ।  प्रमाण नभाइ  बन्सज को नागरिकता संसार मा कही पनि दिदैन, सारा  संसार एका पटी हामी अर्को पत्टी  हून पर्ने किन? कुर तेती मात्र हो। 

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