(CONTINUED) ��. manish 321 pointed out shiva sena, what more do i need to say? Think about it, is it not possible to justify violence against non-hindus by using the Gita? ... � You are not doing yourself any favor by quoting Mr. Manish. His posting was quite incoherent and foul one. Yes, you do need to elaborate the point you are making. Can you paraphrase what Siva Sena said and why it is relevant here. Can you quote relevant passages from Shiva Sena�s publication or web site. What is your point by waving the flag of Shiva Sena? If you are saying that Gita justifies violence against non-Hindus. Then forget Shiva Sena and please give the relevant passages from Gita itself. Do not work too hard. There are none. ��. The book starts with Arjuna saying that he thinks killing is wrong and throughout the book, Krishna pressures him into lifting up his bow and fighting and lo! that's what happens in the end. Arjuna goes out on a killing spree, thanks to Krishna's wise words. But, see how Gandhi, who lived by the same Gita started a non-violent revolution that drove the British out�.� Here you go again. You are the master of misquoting. Please read my response to Mr. Sali on Sept. 20. Krishna�s teaching is about Karma yoga, not about killing spree. When did Arjuna go on killing spree? He fought against armed Maharathis like Drona, Ashwasthama, Karna. However, the Mahabharat war itself is merely a backdrop. The message is about the Karma yoga. If you do not want to reflect on the core message of Krishna, that is your prerogative. Your ignorance hurts you, not me. It may be shocking to you but Mahatma Gandhi was not practicing Karma Yoga � Niskam karma. Because he has personal attachment for India�s freedom. He was actually practicing Sankhya yoga. The knowledge that we are all connected and whole universe is one. That is if Gandhi rise moral stake visa vie British empire then there is natural force like Gravity which will compel British to respond in higher moral plain. If he seats down in a corner, fast and suffer; then the British empire also will suffer. ��. The take-home message, again, is that there is very little inherently wrong with religion and religious verses, blame the people who interpret it differently to justify their crimes�.� If you want to stick your head in sand, it is your privilege. They say if you do that then some other end will be exposed. Matter of fact I do not blame the people, but the ideology which makes people do bad thing. Because people come and go, but the ideology remains. If you do not want to read Quran, Islamic history of aggression and statement of Ansar al Sunna; that is your prerogative. But do not preach us that Islam does not preach hatred and war against infidels. Islam does. As I wrote in response to Mr. Kali, you really do not have to preach tolerance to us. We are for tolerance, coexistence and brotherly love. What you need to do is talk to Muslim brothers if they are for same, condemn anti-infidel passages in Quran, and practice secular democracy in their countries. May their responses, if not mine, illuminate you. THANKS.