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You, my friend, may keep calling yourself ‘NEPALI” only if you do not know where you have come from, do not have any ancestry, or are you ashamed to call yourself out and say you have no heretage. We Newars are proud of our heritage and want to be called Newar Nepalese ot Newar American in America where the constitution of America supports and acknowledges unlike in Nepal.
Yes I will call myself Nepali before anything else and for your information I can sacrifice my culture for my country and that is nothing when I compared with the people who sacrificed their life for their country. I have very rich culture we have three Kul debtas and each three represent our culture in different era of our civilization. We know where we come from and we are not ashamed of our ancestry. We have about 1400 yrs of history inside Nepal and of that, 1200 yrs in KTM valley. Be proud of your heritage as much as you want, you being proud of you heritage doesn’t bother me but please don’t say those who call themselves Nepali first don’t have ancestry or culture.
My suggestion to you is, as people in US and other civilized world say “speak for yourself” this is just a suggestion from a fellow Nepali don’t want to accept it, I don’t care, I don’t have control over you nor I have desire to do so.
But let me tell you one thing I don’t need achievement of my grand parents or someone before that to identify myself .I am strong enough to identify myself by my deed in present situation. I don’t say “mero bau le peda khako thyo tesaile mero haat basna auchha sung ta” or like Gyandra “Purkha le Arjey ko muluk” PNS help create modern day Nepal doesn’t mean that Gynandra deserve to rule us, he must prove himself worthy of it. He failed to do so; he lost the crown as simple as that. Likewise your ancestors may have helped develop Newari culture but that doesn’t make you heir of it or that doesn’t automatically makes you well cultured person you know that?? You must proofv in deed that you are really a well cultured person if you can not, please don’t try to cash hard work of your ancestors.
One more point, if you are a religious person; for you god created human so god came to KTM valley and said “Newearm utpattium” (sorry I don’t know Sanskrit) and Newars were created. They were Newars from the beginning of their creation. If you don’t like my idea of the god speaking Sanskrit go and complain to the god by saying hey god why you use Sanskrit while creating us or start in another reply saying that god actually spoke Newari language it were “khas” who later introduced Sanskrit as gods language, you are “master of complain”. Personally I don’t believe in religion and don’t care what language god spoke even if they existed.
And if you are non religious person like me and believe in theory of evolution then you may be thinking that there was a Newar unicellular organism called amoeba which in millions of years evolved into a Newar ape and which again in millions of years evolved into a Newar human. That’s doesn’t bother me. What bothers me is a person who is proud of is Newari identity doesn’t want to recognize and or remembers his ancestors which were there before Newar civilization. What were your ancestors before Newar civilization you know?? And go on claiming that you were created from Newar amoeba and Newar ape. For you there was nothing before Newar civilization and there will be nothing more than Newari civilization. You know what language you ancestors used to speak before they started to speak Newari language? What festivals they used to celebrate before Newari celebrations came into existence? Newari Language/culture started from the time of BIG bang or what?
I went to a website run by Newari group and they claim that Gopal bansi were first Newars which is approximately 2000 yrs ago (while reading that I was wandering what qualifies to become a Newar?) That claim sparkled in me the idea of Newar ape and Newar amoeba and Newari speaking god. I could have given you the address of the web site but following your idea, no copy and paste. At least they should have respected long dead ppl and leave them to rest in peace not labeling them into certain group, sorry to say that culturally rich group could not show that much decency. And even if Gopal bansi were first Newar Mr. Daboo you should start speaking the language they spoke. What is wrong in celebrating festivals of first Newar and speaking the language of first Newar, you are very respectful of your ancestors aren’t you?
Your everything ends up in Newari civilization you even don’t know where Newars originally came from and even if you know you don’t know what were they before becoming Newars? What they were called before they started to call themselves Newar?? May be I am wrong could you enlighten me in this field please? You are claiming that you are proud of you ancestry. Proud of which ancestry? Only up to the beginning of Newar ancesraty and why not before that?? Were not they worth to be proud of or what?? Were they cavemen??
Regarding calling yourself as American first or Newah American its up to you but don’t be odd man out. I have one idea for you, I think during next census in US you should declined to be counted as American because first they count you as American then they sub-divide American into different indigenous group so start a campaign in US to change rule of census which counts you first as American then only someone else. Pleases say that if you are counted as American it hurts your pride. You should practice what you believe is right you know, otherwise you will be a hypocrite not me.
We Newars wanted to be called Newar Nepalese or Newar Amrican
Who gave you the right to speak on-behalf of all Newars?? A lot of other Newars in different posts already suggested that they would like to be Nepali first. You should have curtsey of showing respect to the desire of a fellow Newer. Newar culture doesn’t teaches you that? My friend these days no body believes what you say unless you show that in practice. You failed to show respect to a fellow Newar does that makes you a well cultured person?? Remember culture means not only bhoj and jatra it’s also a behavior
Talking of America Democracy is another story, at least the America people are honest enough to acknowledge the contribution of the native Indians, the black Americans and now plethora of new immigrants and cherishes the sense of diversity of the people separately who make the great country of America.
Yeah I showed you the information that how many Native American languages disappeared during this period and why Native Americans are in reserves? You know how the land was confiscated from natives. I am not copying and pasting here but let me tell you one Native American tribe had big rajya, he in his later stage he was not so aggressive towards whites. He had desire to learn English language so that he can sign his name. Whites taught him basic English taught them how to sign his name and they produced first document in front of him asking him to sign. You know what that document was about? That document was about surrendering his lands to whites. Once he signed the document they say now you gave your land to us and confiscated the land. First kill them, confiscate their land, destroy spoken language, keep them in reserves and later honestly accept their contribution???
If PNS had done same thing and later recognized (may be at after say 50 yrs) about the contribution of Newari cultures in Nepal will that satisfy you?? Was that the correct way?? Pleases think before what you write. Yeah they accept contribution of black now when do you think a pure black American will be the president of US? Remember Obama is half white, only his father was black and when do you think a Newar American will become President of US?
And when do you think America will officially recognized Newari culture, it’s Jatras and Language? How many times you have celebrated Newari jatras in US? Do you really expect to get a govt. holiday for your festivals? Once I was in Mha Puja celebration they were celebrating one day after the Mha puja in Nepal, they were celebrating on Sunday I asked them isn’t it late to celebrate the mha puja, they said other days we are very busy working, many ppl will be able to take off time only during Sunday afternoon so we were celebrating now. I was guest there I said nothing I watch the celebration eat food and left. I paid 25 dollars for that. You know Mha puja is done according to lunar Calendar following the position of moon? It is not my intention hurt them but to ask a proud Newar what is more dearer money? Life style? or culture? if they really wanted to celebrate mha puja religiously they need to find out at what day/time similar lunar position will be in US ? Everyone should have guts to take leave on that day and celebrate the mha puja?? Who is stopping them to do so in US “Khas”? Cultures and religious ceremonies are not joke you know? Why don’t you try to celebrate mha puja like I said next time, or have you even celebrated mha puja when you are in US?
Arabian countries Malasiya also recognize the contribution of cheap Nepali and other south Asian labor you know? US can not survive without the influx of cheap workers from poorer countries. Don’t you read so many posting in kurakani written by Nepali ppl most of the workers how frustrated they are and how their dreams are shattered, yeah yeah I know work is considered great in US and other blah blah, that is the psychological way of sedating the people doing menial job. Work doesn’t matter if you are happy its ok they say what a clever way to make people happy. “Afno desh ma language dekhi harek kura ma complain garni arko ko desh ma gayera kani kuthi uniharu ko language bolni, aani bhai puchni, gas station ma Indian le pelera rakhda pani khusi huni?” That’s really great.
I remember one real life situation I will try to it without revealing the identity of the people.
I met one Newari couple in a Nepalese gathering in one European country. Wife had an excellent paying job, she was non Newari speaking Newar, husband was from KTM, Newari speaking. I have no idea about type of job he had. There were few other couples too; most of them were in very good position making lots of money. Many of them had placed their kids in expensive private schools, more expensive than some US universities. But that couple had enrolled their only son in a local school which was free. According to father at home he always speaks Newari or local language with his son not Nepali, My silent reaction was its your son I don’t care. I met them again after 4 years. Talked with them. They said they have also enrolled their son also in expensive school my silent reaction oh it took 4 long years to you to realize the mistake. And I asked father you still talk with him in Newari he said yes but his son don’t like his father calling him “Baucha” he said he becomes angry when I say “baucha” to him. I said yeah that today’s kids are clever then their parents they want to enjoy new culture.
Chinese are in US for more than 200 yrs now when do you think a Chinese American will become President of US? Why don’t you try to find out how many ethnic groups are in US and how many of them represented in US congress and senate?
Just for the shake of debate saying we love our heritage and doing different things in practice makes you hypocrite not me. How many times you have celebrated Indra jatra in US.
From your answer I am assuming that you are in US and plant to be US citizen if you have not done already then Nepal is not your country not according to Nepali present constitution so don’t try to instigate division in Nepali society .
Because of my job I can get easy immigration to US (some of my friends in similar position have done so) but still I am still Nepali citizen, working as a Nepali citizen and have no desire to immigrate to US. I don’t know what will happen in future but till now I want to live with hope I don’t like it when ppl in the name of culture cast race etc knowingly unknowingly trying to instigate division is society.
US has wonderful economy (I don’t know what will happen in very near future) even if you do regular menial work you can have car and house and a lifestyle which only very few people can afford in Nepal That is why you are attracted to US, the greed, the lust for easy life. Fine for me, I don’t care. Cultural wise you will have more problems in US than in Nepal. You are chasing the easy life even if you have to leave you culture, language and extended family that makes you what? Don’t play innocent in sajha.
Though English is the widely spoken language in the country, it has the maturity, and the audacity, understanding and consideration not to enforce it and compel it into the constitution as the “Official Language” of the country. In the US you can petition in any language you speak or write it will be accepted in all the offices of the US government. This is the challenge they happily want to take upon and help to overcome so that all feel respected and welcome. Nepal is a different story.
It looks rosy in theory isn’t it? Try to do that and when ppl of different language start to do that the processing cost will be very high and you will see the reaction. Or at least they will say hey when you know English why are you creating trouble, and then they will send you the processing cost. Go and do that in Newari language and when govt guy ask tell them in Newari I am sure first he will call police. Just do that once and let us know the reaction. And what about Nepali language isn’t it a widely spoken language in Nepal, census record shows there is highest % of ethnic group are bahuns and chhetris and they speak Nepali so Nepali should be the official language as simple as that.
One of the complains by your ethnic group is: because of Nepali language tests in “Loksheva” they are not able to get govt job. You have the same problem in your new found country, they don’t use your mother tongue in the tests for govt job, and don’t you know that? Then why don’t you start complaining same thing in US. OR its ok for you to learn English and appear in the tests, and your lovely language doesn’t matters to you? what a hypocrite.
You can go to other country learn their language and take tests, its ok for you to do that. But in you own country where everyday you can see so many cultural influences from your culture, you can see wonderful buildings from your culture, you can hear many ppl speaking your language and you can see different ppl happily participating in your cultural festivals, where many of your families live, to learn Nepali language is difficult for you? Why double standard?? That makes you what?
Just because you have to learn Nepali language you are ready to leave everything?? And you still claim you love your heritage and blah blah what a white lie. Please try to justify your concept with your action.
You know what I was so much interested to read constitution of Panchayet, one day I found it and started to read In the goal section it was written that “ Soshan rahit samaj ko srijana garnu” because it is not possible to create a “soshan rahit samaj” ( because of human nature) I started to laugh. Yeah man in theory everything looks so rosy you can say any good things but in practice it’s different exactly like the constitution of Panchayet.
Why don’t you try to run for president of USA in 2012 try that and let us know the outcome. You know you are not even allowed to run for president if you are born outside USA even if you are a bonafide American citizen. Unless one of your parent is US citizen at the time of your birth. You happily gave up that right, left the place where your culture was originated for what?? And still you claim you love your ancestry that not respects my friend that is insult to your ancestors. So all so called first generation USA citizens are not allowed to run for presidency. Don’t you find this law discriminatory against so many ppl? You know some laws are there because there are valid reasons for that?
Now a days Nepal needs “ Nepali huna nasakeka haru hoina ki Nepali huna chahaney haru”
You may cut and paste as many articles and writings from the web as you wish but I also know that there are enough stray writers who wants to re-write history. King Mahendra tried to do during that during the Panchayat Kaleen and failed miserably. It is not important wah tthey think and write. Important is what you and I think of the present situation today at this moment and how we start to understand everybody around us and try to do justice for all the wrongs that has been done to the suppressed, oppressed people and cultures of Nepal by the ruling elite at various stages of the history of Nepal (Not NEPALI_HISTORY as you may think and say). There is a big difference in these two phrases. Choose your words well before you pass any judgments. 
Yeah it you only who has feelings, its you only who writes the truth, its you only who speaks the truth, it’s your culture which is great, its your culture only which is suppressed/oppressed.
When other ppl try to express their feelings “they are stray and trying to rewrite the history” everything is about you and your culture. Feelings of ppl from other culture has no meaning to you and yeah we need to correct what “khas” did to Newar culture but Newar culture was started from bushmen without any culture. Newari culture has not destroyed any other culture.
In Lichhabi era there was no culture, Lichhabi didn’t built anything, and example of Lichhabi era temple is “Changu Narayen” why we find very little things from Lichhabi Era. If Malla kings were so culturally rich why didn’t they preserve the culture of Lichhabi Era. What happened to the festivals of Likchhabi Era was not it converted to Newari fetivals? Can you name some of the festivals started as LIchhabi festivals and ended up being Newari festivals?
May be it never striked in your mind how come temples in Malla era and Lichhabi era are so similar after looking at Changu narayen mandir, who was the architecture? ppl know the designer of great pyramid and many great buildings in Roman era but all the buildings and temples in Malla era was build by kings. For example “Raja Siddhi Narasimha Malla le Patan ko Krishna mandir banaye,” no body knows who was the designer of that building? What a way to pay respect to a creative mind. Similarly who designed famous “Nhyata pole” only the name of king not that of designer, that is not justice to the designer is it?
Excellent examples of Buddhist art of the Lichhabi period are the half-sunken Buddha in Pashupatinath, the sleeping Vishnu in Budhanilkantha, and the statue of Buddha and the various representations of Vishnu in Changu Narayan.
KTM valley had influx of people from different part India/Nepal. Some people even say Jyapus are Lichhabis after the Malla overtook the Lichhabi, Lichhabi ppl were forcibly converted into lower class and forced to do farming while Newars were just collect the harvest build nice buildings ( using Jyapus as workers off course) , temples and organize many entertaining activities (Jatras) . Why Jyapus have khets. At that time job of Jypaus were to plant farm collect harvest and give it to the Mallas. Later when so called “khas” came to KTM valley they followed the same path, that’s why loads of “khet” ended up with Jyapus.
Otherwise tell me why Jyapus are considered lower grade ppl in Newari, no don’t say we don’t do that, I know it very well because my ancestral house is in Newari basti in KTM. So I know the practices. Why in Newari culture Jyapus were not allowed to marry Shrestha or Pradhan or Rajbhandari, tell me, what was the crime of Jyapus?? Why the word Jyapu used to be a derogatory word in Newari culture?? As far I understand Jyapus have not betrayed Malla kings, they were not considered as involved in criminal activities. Or simply they were considered lower grade just because they were doing hard work, like planting farms, construction workers etc? If so why an advance culture had no respect for the people who were doing hard work?? Does my raising these questions hurts you? Why in republic Nepal Jyapus are trying to organize different groups, why you guys can not accommodate Jyapus even though you speak same language and celebrate same festivals? If you don’t know this you are far from reality my friend, yeah you can say I am trying to rewrite the history or blame “Khas” for this too; it’s all “Khas” policy of divide and rule. Yope everything good is yours, all problems, weakness and short comings are created by others, great thinking.
Later Jyapus were made Newars. Otherwise where are the Lichhabis now? Where are they? How they disappeared from KTM where as their cultures (Matsyandra nath jatra, etc) are still there. Why Lichhabi cultural heritage are outside the core of the city for examples are Changu Narayan, Palanchowk Bhagbati and Bung dyo in Bungmati and Budanil kantha. Why a story was created and kings were stopped visiting Budanilkantah based on that story? Why there is unseen tension between so called Newars and Jyapus what is the reason? What were the family names of Lichhabi ppl? Why we don’t recognize them now? Why Lichhabi were not able keep intact their identity? Why Newari cultures speak so much about their cultures but speak nothing about the rulers who were ruling KTM before them and their cultures? Do you know what language ppl of KTM valley use to speak before Newari ? Were not those your ancestors too? don’t you have any respect for the language your ancestors spoke at that time? If not why not?
In history there is mention of Kailashkut Bhaban capable of accommodating 10,000 ppl why Malla didn’t try to preserve the site where Kailshkut Bhaban was? Or was it just a myth?
When you blame other culture don’t you think that your own culture has to pass the acid test? Or you think your cultures is above everything like King was mentioned “above constitution” in Panchayet constitution.
Please don’t act like Bin Laden, who can see only Islam but nothing else. Who wants every culture bow to Islamic culture but shows no respect for any other culture, aren’t you finding similarities here. Bin Laden also says he is Muslim first then only anything else. You decide yourself.
When the cultures have ppl like you they don’t need any outsiders for their demise, your type of thought is more than enough to destroy Newari culture.