Posted by: samarthan August 10, 2010
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Gadhikari ju,
As Kiddo ju has mentioned above, being yourself a refugee, you do have authentic information than any of us commenting in this thread.
In the above quoted line, I should have written
"If you migrate in mass, and try not to integrate
within the local community, they will certainly be conscious. If they
feel a risk, then they will try to chase you out because they are there
before you. If you are strong enough, you will resist or even win up to throne. If not, you may need to surrender or suffer. They won't accept you until they are fearless with you."
This is a general trend for all migrating communities in Asia, Africa, Middle East or even in Americas, not only in Bhutan.
It is the responsibility of Bhutanese Government and Lhotsampa to keep the record of migration, and find out historic evidences to settle the debate. The stories based on "hearsay" has been the source of trouble in many conflicting claims. Is there any documentation or standing reference about the treaty with Ram Shah? The Bhutanese officials accept bringing of Newar craftsperson in request, and some architectural evidences support that claim, but Ram Shah was not a king of Newar people in his time. I therefore asked "Did they (the migrated newars) merge with "Dzonkha" or "Nepali" or remain a separate tiny group within Bhutan?" I am expecting your answer.
In the days of traditional governance, all migrations were legal. The concept of "illegal" is not relevant unless there is documented records or census. For example, Bhutan identifies 1958, to officially separate legal and illegal status of nepali community. Does that mean everyone migrated before 1958 is legal (no matter whether from Tibet, Nepal, India or any other region)? Then, how the people migrated at the time of Ram Shah cannot present the proof of residency?
Nepal is a conservative country when it comes to accepting foreign citizens. It hesitates accepting returning mass of its blood. See the conflict and problems of NRNs, who are not welcome in Nepal even though they flied out of the country with Nepalese passport in hand.
The Bhutanese refugee case has larger complexities. Perhaps there was a bigger political and diplomatic game behind this saga. It is the bitter truth that Nepal failed to meet the expectation of Bhutani Khas speakers. Nepal had plenty of issues to deal with while Bhutani mass in Nepal was suffering. Nepal can not provide feastful rice or comfortable shelter to its own citizen (see how people are living in caves and jungles in some remote parts). Nepal at least provided free shelter and a conducive environment for Bhutanese people to survive, struggle and land in better opportunity. You guys need to be thankful to that rather than spitting sour for your hardship.
I am not aggressive to Bhutani Khas speakers. I have full sympathy and I always wished to have Nepalese government to help solve this problem with adequate support. I personally have fought and debated badly with my own friends who have abused and extort Bhutanese brothers and sisters in their hard days. I do not want to detail my experience of Beldangi region (2055-2057) here, but it hurts me when you blame I am aggressive toward Bhutanese mass in Nepal.
As a student of social science, I am curious to know why Khas migrants have problem with other locals all over the region in and out of the boundary of Nepal. For example, they are disliked by local inhabitants in Bhutan, Meghalaya, Burma, Assam, Silliguri, Dehradun etc. They are also disliked by local inhabitants in Magarat, Tamu-region, Limbu and Khumbu regions in the hill, including Koch-Tharu-Maithil-Abadh region in Terai and Kathmandu valley within Nepal.
The similarity I see in all those places is none other than "the lack of cultural integration, mutual respect, and assimilation". It is recorded that wherever the Khas community migrates, they kill culture and language of local inhabitants, which is very very wrong. If a lesson is learnt from this entire episode, it would benefit to the entire Khas community. You guys should be the first people to properly analyze and realize what went wrong with you all. Emotional recitals (such as mentioning your days under leaking plastic roof and stitched clothes ) would not be helpful at all to understand the true problem and solution.
I hope you will answer my questions and try to understand what I am talking about.
As Kiddo ju has mentioned above, being yourself a refugee, you do have authentic information than any of us commenting in this thread.
In the above quoted line, I should have written
"If you migrate in mass, and try not to integrate
within the local community, they will certainly be conscious. If they
feel a risk, then they will try to chase you out because they are there
before you. If you are strong enough, you will resist or even win up to throne. If not, you may need to surrender or suffer. They won't accept you until they are fearless with you."
This is a general trend for all migrating communities in Asia, Africa, Middle East or even in Americas, not only in Bhutan.
It is the responsibility of Bhutanese Government and Lhotsampa to keep the record of migration, and find out historic evidences to settle the debate. The stories based on "hearsay" has been the source of trouble in many conflicting claims. Is there any documentation or standing reference about the treaty with Ram Shah? The Bhutanese officials accept bringing of Newar craftsperson in request, and some architectural evidences support that claim, but Ram Shah was not a king of Newar people in his time. I therefore asked "Did they (the migrated newars) merge with "Dzonkha" or "Nepali" or remain a separate tiny group within Bhutan?" I am expecting your answer.
In the days of traditional governance, all migrations were legal. The concept of "illegal" is not relevant unless there is documented records or census. For example, Bhutan identifies 1958, to officially separate legal and illegal status of nepali community. Does that mean everyone migrated before 1958 is legal (no matter whether from Tibet, Nepal, India or any other region)? Then, how the people migrated at the time of Ram Shah cannot present the proof of residency?
Nepal is a conservative country when it comes to accepting foreign citizens. It hesitates accepting returning mass of its blood. See the conflict and problems of NRNs, who are not welcome in Nepal even though they flied out of the country with Nepalese passport in hand.
The Bhutanese refugee case has larger complexities. Perhaps there was a bigger political and diplomatic game behind this saga. It is the bitter truth that Nepal failed to meet the expectation of Bhutani Khas speakers. Nepal had plenty of issues to deal with while Bhutani mass in Nepal was suffering. Nepal can not provide feastful rice or comfortable shelter to its own citizen (see how people are living in caves and jungles in some remote parts). Nepal at least provided free shelter and a conducive environment for Bhutanese people to survive, struggle and land in better opportunity. You guys need to be thankful to that rather than spitting sour for your hardship.
I am not aggressive to Bhutani Khas speakers. I have full sympathy and I always wished to have Nepalese government to help solve this problem with adequate support. I personally have fought and debated badly with my own friends who have abused and extort Bhutanese brothers and sisters in their hard days. I do not want to detail my experience of Beldangi region (2055-2057) here, but it hurts me when you blame I am aggressive toward Bhutanese mass in Nepal.
As a student of social science, I am curious to know why Khas migrants have problem with other locals all over the region in and out of the boundary of Nepal. For example, they are disliked by local inhabitants in Bhutan, Meghalaya, Burma, Assam, Silliguri, Dehradun etc. They are also disliked by local inhabitants in Magarat, Tamu-region, Limbu and Khumbu regions in the hill, including Koch-Tharu-Maithil-Abadh region in Terai and Kathmandu valley within Nepal.
The similarity I see in all those places is none other than "the lack of cultural integration, mutual respect, and assimilation". It is recorded that wherever the Khas community migrates, they kill culture and language of local inhabitants, which is very very wrong. If a lesson is learnt from this entire episode, it would benefit to the entire Khas community. You guys should be the first people to properly analyze and realize what went wrong with you all. Emotional recitals (such as mentioning your days under leaking plastic roof and stitched clothes ) would not be helpful at all to understand the true problem and solution.
I hope you will answer my questions and try to understand what I am talking about.