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Sir, you have asked very good question. your question of "I am very interested in knowing where did Nepali people come from? How did we get divided in to Brahmin, Newars , etc…..?" will come very soon. Sir, I will certainly raise this question. This question will no doubt help to resolve some Nepali identity crisis. Please wait.
My dear brothers and sisters, please do not pressurize me to hurry up with so many question at one time. It's will be very confusing for all of you which i had initially too when i was doing my research and study.
Time will tell. So please be patient.
Shantipriya
Sir, yes you are correct to say that i have so far only done my research by Google, copy, cut and paste. But you need to remember that info. on the websites are not false either.
The info. given out by these sites do contains valuable piece of work which is just the finding.
Anyway so i am going to continue my findings.
Scriptural
texts mention a number of tribes that inhabited the region, such as the Sakas, the Nagas, Khasas, Hunas, and Kiratas....etc.
Most importantly Kiratas has been mentioned the most number of times in the
vedic literature and because several scholars have done extensive research onto this unique race, i have quite a findings to share with you.
http://www.tripura.org.in/origin.htm
Now from my own research;
Let me quote some paragraphs from the book by Suniti Kumar Chatterji.
The name Kirata is for the first time found in the Yajurveda (Sukla Yajurveda, Vajasaneya, XXX, 16;
also Krsna Yajurveda, Taittiriya Brahmana, III, 4,12,1).
In connexion with the Purusa-medha or ‘Man-Offering’ sacrifice, where a list of all kinds of human beings and animals symbolically or figuratively offered to the gods as sacrifice is given, we find the
following passage:–
guhabhyah Kiratam; sanubhyo Jambhakam; paravatebhyah Kimpurusam
which upon translation will read ‘A Kirata, for the caves; a Jambhaka (long-toothed man?) for the slopes; a Kimpurusa (an ugly man, a wild man, an ape?) for the mountains.’
Then
in the Atharvaveda (X,4,14) we have a reference to a Kirata girl
(Kairatika) who digs a herbal remedy on the ridges of the mountains:–
Kairatika kumarika saka khanati bhesajam:
hiranyayibhir abhribhir girinam upa sanusu.
‘The young maid of Kirata race, a little damsel, digs the drug:
Digs it with shovels wrought of gold on the high ridges of the hills.’
(Translation by R.T.Griffith.)
“Macdonell and Keith have the following note in their Vedic Index on Kirata:
‘Kirata is a name applied to a people living in the caves of the mountains, as appears clearly from the dedication of the Kirata to the caves in Vajasaneyi Samhita (also Taittiriya Brahmana), and from the reference to a Kirata girl, who digs a remedy on the ridges of the mountains.
The Manava Dharma-sastra regards the Kiratis as degraded Ksatriyas (ref. X, 44).’
When a non-Aryan or foreign people is describes in an old Indian text as being of degraded Kshatriya origin, there is always an implication that they were, to some extend at least, advanced in civilisation or military organisation”. — Suniti Kumar Chatterji (KIRATA-JANA-KRTI)
The book said the Kiratas were 'gold-like', i.e, yellow in color (and not dark or black like the Dasas
and Dasyus and the Nisadas and other pre-Aryan peoples of the plains).
Here's the quote from the the book taken from Kirata-parvan section of Varna-parvan of the Mahabharata.
Kairatam vesam asthaya kancana-druma-sannibham
"Taking up a Kirata resemblance, like unto a tree of gold" (IV,35,2);
dadarsatha tato jisnuh purusam kancana-prabham
"Then the Victorious One(Arjuna) saw a Man, shining like gold" (IV, 35,17)
na tvam asmin vana ghore bibhesi kanaka-prabha
“O thou that art shining like gold (addressing Siva in the form of
Kirata), dost thou not fear in this terrible forest” (IV, 35, 18)
The Ramayana also mentions the golden color of the Kiratas; thus
Kiratasca tiksna-cudasca hemabhah priya-darsanah,
antar-jala-cara ghora nara-vyaghra iti srutah
(Kiskindhya-Kanda, 40, 27, 28, qouted by N.N Vasu)
upon
translation is The Kiratas, with hair done in pointed top-knots,
pleasant to look upon, shining like gold, able to move under water, terrible, veritable tiger-men, so are they famed.
In Yoga Vasistha 1.15.5 Rama speaks of "kirAteneva vAgurA", "a trap [laid] by Kiratas", so about BCE Xth Century, they were thought of as jungle trappers, the ones who dug pits to capture roving deer. The same text also speaks of King Suraghu, the head of the Kiratas who is a friend of the Persian King, Parigha.
Secondly
The Kiratas in Sanskrit (Sanskrit: किरात) mentioned in early Hindu
texts are the tribals of the forest and mountains with this sanskrit
phrase “kiram atati bhramati yah” meaning one wandering over the forests.
There are two analogy from this findings:
1. All the non-aryan people in an ancient india were referred to as Kiratas.
2. That the Kiratas(Mongoloid) are the tribes/indigenous people of ancient India.
Now ladies and gentleman please get ready for more confusion and surprises. I too was shock and dumbfounded initially but you get to see the point and light slowly as we go on.
But this will be provided when i have the time. stay tune then!
Now we know who the Kiratas were, ASK
where and when did they first arrived in ancient India?
and
what contributions did they make in the early civilizations of India and Nepal?
work cited:
KIRATA-JANA-KRTI
The Indo-Mongoloids:
Their Contribution to the History and Culture of India
by Suniti Kumar Chatterji (1951)
see you soon,
JPG
Sir, you have asked very good question. your question of "I am very interested in knowing where did Nepali people come from? How did we get divided in to Brahmin, Newars , etc…..?" will come very soon. Sir, I will certainly raise this question. This question will no doubt help to resolve some Nepali identity crisis. Please wait.
My dear brothers and sisters, please do not pressurize me to hurry up with so many question at one time. It's will be very confusing for all of you which i had initially too when i was doing my research and study.
Time will tell. So please be patient.
Shantipriya
Sir, yes you are correct to say that i have so far only done my research by Google, copy, cut and paste. But you need to remember that info. on the websites are not false either.
The info. given out by these sites do contains valuable piece of work which is just the finding.
Anyway so i am going to continue my findings.
Scriptural
texts mention a number of tribes that inhabited the region, such as the Sakas, the Nagas, Khasas, Hunas, and Kiratas....etc.
Most importantly Kiratas has been mentioned the most number of times in the
vedic literature and because several scholars have done extensive research onto this unique race, i have quite a findings to share with you.
Kirata in Ancient Religious Text, Epic and
Mythology:
Mythology:
Rajmala mentions that Tripuri used to be known as Kirata in older times. The root word of Kirata is not clear, it may be Kwrak, meaning strong, or Kirithaya>Kiritya>Kirata what is fearless. Kirata is mentioned in the Yajur and Atharva Veda. Similarly the Kirata is mentioned along with Huna, Andhra, Pulinda, Pulkasa, Abhira, Sumbha, Yavana, members of the Khasa races in Srimad Bhagavatam. The Kirata is mentioned in the Ramayan in Ayodhya kanda's sarga 15 section, with their hair tied up in knots, shining like gold and pleasant to look upon, bold enough to move under water, terrible, veritable tiger-men, so are they famed. Similarly Kirata tribe was mentioned in Mahabharata on the Vanaparva section 39. The Kirata had been described as golden yellow people which are the skin color of modern Tripuri, though over the thousand of year of living in present Tripura the colour had changed more yellow to Dark golden. One of the most skilful archer of that time Eklabya was none than a Kirata. Bhima's wife Hadimba was a Kirata women and Ghototkoch of Mahabharata was a Kirata king, apart from the facts mentioned in the Rajmala that Tripuri king Trilochana had participated in the mythological Kurukshetra war.
http://www.tripura.org.in/origin.htmNow from my own research;
Let me quote some paragraphs from the book by Suniti Kumar Chatterji.
The name Kirata is for the first time found in the Yajurveda (Sukla Yajurveda, Vajasaneya, XXX, 16;
also Krsna Yajurveda, Taittiriya Brahmana, III, 4,12,1).
In connexion with the Purusa-medha or ‘Man-Offering’ sacrifice, where a list of all kinds of human beings and animals symbolically or figuratively offered to the gods as sacrifice is given, we find the
following passage:–
guhabhyah Kiratam; sanubhyo Jambhakam; paravatebhyah Kimpurusam
which upon translation will read ‘A Kirata, for the caves; a Jambhaka (long-toothed man?) for the slopes; a Kimpurusa (an ugly man, a wild man, an ape?) for the mountains.’
Then
in the Atharvaveda (X,4,14) we have a reference to a Kirata girl
(Kairatika) who digs a herbal remedy on the ridges of the mountains:–
Kairatika kumarika saka khanati bhesajam:
hiranyayibhir abhribhir girinam upa sanusu.
‘The young maid of Kirata race, a little damsel, digs the drug:
Digs it with shovels wrought of gold on the high ridges of the hills.’
(Translation by R.T.Griffith.)
“Macdonell and Keith have the following note in their Vedic Index on Kirata:
‘Kirata is a name applied to a people living in the caves of the mountains, as appears clearly from the dedication of the Kirata to the caves in Vajasaneyi Samhita (also Taittiriya Brahmana), and from the reference to a Kirata girl, who digs a remedy on the ridges of the mountains.
The Manava Dharma-sastra regards the Kiratis as degraded Ksatriyas (ref. X, 44).’
When a non-Aryan or foreign people is describes in an old Indian text as being of degraded Kshatriya origin, there is always an implication that they were, to some extend at least, advanced in civilisation or military organisation”. — Suniti Kumar Chatterji (KIRATA-JANA-KRTI)
The book said the Kiratas were 'gold-like', i.e, yellow in color (and not dark or black like the Dasas
and Dasyus and the Nisadas and other pre-Aryan peoples of the plains).
Here's the quote from the the book taken from Kirata-parvan section of Varna-parvan of the Mahabharata.
Kairatam vesam asthaya kancana-druma-sannibham
"Taking up a Kirata resemblance, like unto a tree of gold" (IV,35,2);
dadarsatha tato jisnuh purusam kancana-prabham
"Then the Victorious One(Arjuna) saw a Man, shining like gold" (IV, 35,17)
na tvam asmin vana ghore bibhesi kanaka-prabha
“O thou that art shining like gold (addressing Siva in the form of
Kirata), dost thou not fear in this terrible forest” (IV, 35, 18)
The Ramayana also mentions the golden color of the Kiratas; thus
Kiratasca tiksna-cudasca hemabhah priya-darsanah,
antar-jala-cara ghora nara-vyaghra iti srutah
(Kiskindhya-Kanda, 40, 27, 28, qouted by N.N Vasu)
upon
translation is The Kiratas, with hair done in pointed top-knots,
pleasant to look upon, shining like gold, able to move under water, terrible, veritable tiger-men, so are they famed.
In Yoga Vasistha 1.15.5 Rama speaks of "kirAteneva vAgurA", "a trap [laid] by Kiratas", so about BCE Xth Century, they were thought of as jungle trappers, the ones who dug pits to capture roving deer. The same text also speaks of King Suraghu, the head of the Kiratas who is a friend of the Persian King, Parigha.
Secondly
The Kiratas in Sanskrit (Sanskrit: किरात) mentioned in early Hindu
texts are the tribals of the forest and mountains with this sanskrit
phrase “kiram atati bhramati yah” meaning one wandering over the forests.
There are two analogy from this findings:
1. All the non-aryan people in an ancient india were referred to as Kiratas.
2. That the Kiratas(Mongoloid) are the tribes/indigenous people of ancient India.
Now ladies and gentleman please get ready for more confusion and surprises. I too was shock and dumbfounded initially but you get to see the point and light slowly as we go on.
But this will be provided when i have the time. stay tune then!
Now we know who the Kiratas were, ASK
where and when did they first arrived in ancient India?
and
what contributions did they make in the early civilizations of India and Nepal?
work cited:
KIRATA-JANA-KRTI
The Indo-Mongoloids:
Their Contribution to the History and Culture of India
by Suniti Kumar Chatterji (1951)
see you soon,
JPG
Last edited: 25-Apr-09 01:00 PM