Posted by: lootekukur October 21, 2008
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here comes no_quiero with his same ole comparison game once again hahaha....he has all the stats from his strenuous research to back up his claim (which a part of me tend to commend...NOT the conclusion or his derivation but his effort as i appreciate people bringing different varieties of arguments on the table) but on the flip side of it, it is interesting to note that this guy tends to enjoy and feel heroic about the vicarious satisfaction he tends to get by putting his "favorites" over another legend of the game in his argument which i can't help but laugh at, time and again hahaha...
Curtly Ambrose is no doubt one of the greats the game has seen-- no one would argue on that. His stat would possibly look better than many of the other greats--no one's denying that too. but as prabhat k pointed out, there are things (other than stats) that you see in each sportsman and that make them special.
if we were to argue that stat is the sole metric in measuring who's better than his counterpart, then we can bring all the stats from the grave and do a correlation analysis (w.r.t. time, w.r.t. individuals and all) and prove that Ravi Shashtri was a tad bit better player than Sachin Tendulkar because in his heyday, he played better than the "average Tendulkar" that we know as of now and over the last 19 years. Ravi had also won one or two more important games for India than Sachin has so far. Ravi had more success as a bowler than Sachin has, as of now, as a bowler. To top the fact, Ravi was a part of the 1983 Indian cricket team, which won the SOLE (as of now) world cup for India. Was Sachin a part of such delight for India? - NO, not so far..
Go on, bring forth the same comparison shit and prove that Diego Maradona was inferior to Salvadore Schilachi, or the latter was a better soccer player than the former. Did Maradona win the golden boot ever? NO. Shillachi did.
You would not want to admit that the quality and value (the opponent against which those goals were made, the importance of those matches and all) of those goals are important and not always their number.
I have a deep respect for the legends of the game (in cricket, that is) whether it be Wasim, or Ambrose, Sachin or Lara. I don't feel the comparison is needed in the first place and we need to choose one and put him over the rest (although at some instances, comparisons are inevitable but it's better to keep it with you rather than blowing your trumpet with it).
For me, just for the simple fact that Wasim Akram was somebody who was a bowler of a kind (for his action and strength)..he can NOT be compared to anyone (not even god --if he is really UP there, and if is to show the rest of the world how he bowls). For me Wasim is someone who pioneered the Art of Reverse swinging (which later became a lethal weapon for other bowlers) and the deadliest of all bowlers at any point in the game (throughtout the most of his career).
I typed my stuff really fast so I am not sure if I put my point across well. I know for a fact that you, no_quiero, are a great fan of Lara. Now here's what your lord has to say about the greatness of a bowler we all know by the name of Wasim Akram:
“ Over my 15 or 16 years of playing international cricket in Tests and one-day internationals, Wasim Akram is definitely the most outstanding bowler I've ever faced" - B.C. Lara. (source: Wikipedia)
(now don't tell me Lara didn't have to Face Ambrose so the statement doesn't qualify for my argument. You don't say that to the bowler of another team when you have someone "better" (in your term) than that player in your own team)
So long....
Curtly Ambrose is no doubt one of the greats the game has seen-- no one would argue on that. His stat would possibly look better than many of the other greats--no one's denying that too. but as prabhat k pointed out, there are things (other than stats) that you see in each sportsman and that make them special.
if we were to argue that stat is the sole metric in measuring who's better than his counterpart, then we can bring all the stats from the grave and do a correlation analysis (w.r.t. time, w.r.t. individuals and all) and prove that Ravi Shashtri was a tad bit better player than Sachin Tendulkar because in his heyday, he played better than the "average Tendulkar" that we know as of now and over the last 19 years. Ravi had also won one or two more important games for India than Sachin has so far. Ravi had more success as a bowler than Sachin has, as of now, as a bowler. To top the fact, Ravi was a part of the 1983 Indian cricket team, which won the SOLE (as of now) world cup for India. Was Sachin a part of such delight for India? - NO, not so far..
Go on, bring forth the same comparison shit and prove that Diego Maradona was inferior to Salvadore Schilachi, or the latter was a better soccer player than the former. Did Maradona win the golden boot ever? NO. Shillachi did.
You would not want to admit that the quality and value (the opponent against which those goals were made, the importance of those matches and all) of those goals are important and not always their number.
I have a deep respect for the legends of the game (in cricket, that is) whether it be Wasim, or Ambrose, Sachin or Lara. I don't feel the comparison is needed in the first place and we need to choose one and put him over the rest (although at some instances, comparisons are inevitable but it's better to keep it with you rather than blowing your trumpet with it).
For me, just for the simple fact that Wasim Akram was somebody who was a bowler of a kind (for his action and strength)..he can NOT be compared to anyone (not even god --if he is really UP there, and if is to show the rest of the world how he bowls). For me Wasim is someone who pioneered the Art of Reverse swinging (which later became a lethal weapon for other bowlers) and the deadliest of all bowlers at any point in the game (throughtout the most of his career).
I typed my stuff really fast so I am not sure if I put my point across well. I know for a fact that you, no_quiero, are a great fan of Lara. Now here's what your lord has to say about the greatness of a bowler we all know by the name of Wasim Akram:
“ Over my 15 or 16 years of playing international cricket in Tests and one-day internationals, Wasim Akram is definitely the most outstanding bowler I've ever faced" - B.C. Lara. (source: Wikipedia)
(now don't tell me Lara didn't have to Face Ambrose so the statement doesn't qualify for my argument. You don't say that to the bowler of another team when you have someone "better" (in your term) than that player in your own team)
So long....