Posted by: Captain Haddock February 11, 2008
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Loote -
I dont know what about my commentary you found diplomatic. I have liked Obama for a long time and he is getting my vote. Should Hillary be the nominee she is going to get my vote too. That's an open and shut case as far as I am concerned. While I probably wont be voting for McCain, I am not going to renounce the US and move to Iceland should he win the presidency. I have convictions and vote based on them but not hating my adversaries, or not wishing them ill, does not make me "diplomatic" (or anything else that implies the lack of convictions and the ability to act on them). One of the reasons why Obama appeals to me is precisely because he too is not about "demonizing" people he disagrees with.
Bob -
Two things.
Hillary is my second choice after Obama. There have been times when I have been frustrated with her, like when she and Bill put personal interest above party and country interest in ghetoizing Obama, but I can also see the other, better, side of her. Those frustrations do not amount to hatred. If she wins the nomination, I think Democrats will rally around her just like they will around Obama should he win it. However, many independents find the tone and tenor of her politics to be repelling and will not come over to the Democratic side. Many people - independents, Democrats and Republicans - want to move towards a slightly more toned down version of politics - different from the visceral Karl Rove / Bill Clinton type. Whether that is wishful thinking or not, the next elections will show. People are hungry for change and Obama is making a much more compelling case for it than either Hillary or McCain
Secondly, I don't think Hillary is finished yet. I think she still has as good a chance as Obama. The killer for her might be if Edwards endorses Obama, campaigns for him and helps him make a dent in her white-collar base in Ohio and Pennsylvania. If she can knock him out in Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania and build a 200 delegate lead, the nomination will most likely be hers.
If I have to take sides, I will take Obama's because I believe he has the best shot at a transformative presidency. I am, however, not going to sulk if he loses. To me all politics is pragmatic politics and if you don't get your ideal candidate, which you never will because no such candidate exists, you pick the next best one.
I wish you well.
I dont know what about my commentary you found diplomatic. I have liked Obama for a long time and he is getting my vote. Should Hillary be the nominee she is going to get my vote too. That's an open and shut case as far as I am concerned. While I probably wont be voting for McCain, I am not going to renounce the US and move to Iceland should he win the presidency. I have convictions and vote based on them but not hating my adversaries, or not wishing them ill, does not make me "diplomatic" (or anything else that implies the lack of convictions and the ability to act on them). One of the reasons why Obama appeals to me is precisely because he too is not about "demonizing" people he disagrees with.
Bob -
Two things.
Hillary is my second choice after Obama. There have been times when I have been frustrated with her, like when she and Bill put personal interest above party and country interest in ghetoizing Obama, but I can also see the other, better, side of her. Those frustrations do not amount to hatred. If she wins the nomination, I think Democrats will rally around her just like they will around Obama should he win it. However, many independents find the tone and tenor of her politics to be repelling and will not come over to the Democratic side. Many people - independents, Democrats and Republicans - want to move towards a slightly more toned down version of politics - different from the visceral Karl Rove / Bill Clinton type. Whether that is wishful thinking or not, the next elections will show. People are hungry for change and Obama is making a much more compelling case for it than either Hillary or McCain
Secondly, I don't think Hillary is finished yet. I think she still has as good a chance as Obama. The killer for her might be if Edwards endorses Obama, campaigns for him and helps him make a dent in her white-collar base in Ohio and Pennsylvania. If she can knock him out in Ohio, Texas and Pennsylvania and build a 200 delegate lead, the nomination will most likely be hers.
If I have to take sides, I will take Obama's because I believe he has the best shot at a transformative presidency. I am, however, not going to sulk if he loses. To me all politics is pragmatic politics and if you don't get your ideal candidate, which you never will because no such candidate exists, you pick the next best one.
I wish you well.