I dunno what specifically you guys mean by "groupies", but for me having groups does not equate to any sense of exclusiveness. I look at groups as ways of organizing and presenting content pretty much on the lines of lets say a My Space or Google. Some discussions are best had in large groups and some in smaller groups. Anyone could subscribe to these groups and it this would help customize their Sajha experience to their specific needs. Sajha needs both a Tudikhel/Hyde Park-type open environment, which Kurakani provides, as well as a more controlled discussion environment so that different types of debate can take place IMO. Anyways, I think San bro's probably taken up as many suggestions as he reasonably can for the moment, so it might be a bit premature to talk about groups at this point. Samsara said "Someone needs to put these wannabes back in place and we do need the wildcards WITH VALID REASONINGS to shut a few of these cats down (BC, Bhaley, I are the few who come to mind...Hell no, ain't friggin promoting myself here" LOL. As well intended as your statement was, I am glad you stopped where you did. I think commitment and concern for Sajha and it's content should not translate to vigilantism because it could backfire if not done right or if people perceive you are pushing too much into their space. Just a thought. Loote said "Bring it on" OK here goes: "Loote is SNDY's puppy, nya nya nya nya nya na" Seriosuly, would I ever do such a thing, Loote?