haddock, lol i wasnt into that detail What i was saying that layout sucks. There are 5 -6 kind of bullets( those gif stars..in Rythm style-ughhhh) 5-6 kind of font, color size table borders are all differnt colors. Those moto "bring together..." all over the place... that smthing on the bottom is more than one regular page..i am talking about those natures.Functionality are differnt for differnt website. I cant compalin about this or that...but those are the small things which relatively dont need much time. to be frank with you ..in terms of layout crappiness this site is second to cybersansar... but its gonna take alot of stupid things to topple that ...lol i am the Maverick..so I can be the devil's advocate