oldmaven.....i didn't start this thread to show that i am wise or to prove that i'm different . i just wrote wat i'd been thiking for quite a long time. y people had to kill people in a way that is so objectionaable.......i mean if i had to kill some1 , i would go and shoot him /her and just finish his/her chaper of life but not skinn him alive or break his leg or had and enjoy him suffer .........