Goodness me!!! Devil's Advocate? You sure that you're talking about Glenn Donald Mcgrath, the Legend and ARGUABLY the best seamer of this era?! Agree that I chose a wrong word abt him, wanted to use "pacer" in stead of a seamer but that doesn't entitle my original opinion to be blown out of the proportion. You must be one among less than 1% of all the knowledgable cricket fans all over the globe that doesn't consider this lad to be a great bowler. I find it absolutely disgraceful and shocking that you think that he was an ordinary bowler. As a matter of fact, you contradict yourself by saying that he achieved towering height through his hard work and discipline ( mostly his consistency with length ). If there's ONE thing that Mcgrath has that any other paceman who doesn't have is the consistency that can only be matched by the lethal pacers of yesteryears with the likes of Dennis Lillee and Curtly Ambrose to name a few. I'd probably rate Shaun Pollock as good as him but his dramatic drop in the speed of deliveries compared to Mcgraths 82 MPH/132-135 KMH is what makes Mcgrath better. Furthermore, like you said, more than 90 % of his deliveries are slighty shorter of good length and outside the off stump. That's what made him lethal and a GREAT bowler. Nobody else can brag about it. It's the consistency factor that makes him such a prominent and key figure who spearheaded the Aussie attack for a number of years. Sachin ( Batsman ) , Steve Waugh ( Captain ) , Warney ( Spinner ) , Rhodes ( fielder )and Him as a bowler are always going to be talked about for a long long time because of nothing except consistency. While we can discuss about Tendulkar and co in other threads I want you to go through his record, 563 Test Wickets at an Average of 21.64 with the strike rate of 51.95 ( 50 is considered to be out of this world strike rate ) and 381 wickets in ODI's with an average of 22.02 with an econ of 3.88!!! Compare that with any of the "great" bowlers in your catagory or any bowlers and find out for yourself what defines greatness! PS I consider myself a knowledgable fan just like yourself and tons of others but when someone makes such ridiculous remarks about such "GREAT" players, it just drives me nuts and makes me go f***ing mental! As far as the toss is concerned, for many toss might've been vital but on my view, it could have MAYBE given Sri Lanka some hope but I wouldn;t rule out the chances of Lankans being bundled out for 150 against this kind of uncanny Aussie bowling attack! There was NO WAY that australia was going to lose. Also, I'm a die hard indian fan and prior to the WC, I had said that if there was one team that could challenge Australia, then it'd be India purely because of their batting. There were many who thought that South Africa / New Zealand / Pakistan and Sri Lanka could topple Aussies but Indians' records against Australia is truly admirable. They mightnot have won that many matches but ask an AUSSIE who they fear the most, they'll always say India who could come closer. Lets not get fooled by these ridiculous rankings.