XYZ (23:37:28) : Good elaboration on “Bahunist” NepalBlood (23:49:32) : This is By Far the Best Article I’ve Read Here (or Anywhere). I Have No Choice But to Admire UWB for Posting such a Hard-Hitting Piece. Nevermind (03:07:23) : People dont have much choice, do they? either GP Koirala, MK Nepal or PK Dahal. jatti jogi aaye pani Kanai chireko, Be it bahunist or bahun-baadist. Gotta vote and pick the best of the Devils. Hmm… out of frying pan and into the fire. lol Captain Crash (04:44:40) : Oh another propaganda on UWB. Do that really matter… bahun baad or the bahun-baadist? So the current situation of Nepal is not because of the incompetent politician but because of bahun baadist. This means all those fighting and killing done by maoist was insane. They were fighting for the wrong purpose they should have killed all the bahun…. gm (05:06:49) : Not all brahmins are bad. There are good ones as well. However, the writer is right on target in many aspects. The writer portrays the actions and behavior of our bahun leaders really well. Bahunists know who they are. If they were to read this article, it should hurt them. No one has articulated the present current affairs better than this writer. From beuracracy to judiciary, congress to maoists, royalists to UML, media to police are all dominated by Bahunists. I would think that with improvment in education and communication, and democracy, other castes and ethnicity will have more access to the power. Nope! instead Bahunists consolidated the power and solidified their base and used everything in their means to keep non bahunists away. On top of that, in every field where bahunists are leading, corruption and nepotism have increased. What does this tell us? Kudos to UWB for publishing this article. Heretic (05:51:10) : How more progressive can you get that some of my nepali peeps? Keep on classifying people,it will do so many wonders for Nepal. बद्रि पहाडि (08:52:48) : जात= जात भनेको मानिस को पेशा हो; जात ले कोहि ठुलो र सानो हुदैन ब्राह्मण भनेको सबै भन्दा ठुलो जात भनेको होइन, यो त एउटा अरुलाइ निस्वार्थ आध्यात्मिक सेवा गर्ने, शाकाहारि भोजन गर्ने, आफ़्नो ब्यक्तिगत सम्पत्ति मा कुनै सन्कल्प नलिने पेशा हो; हाम्रो शास्त्र मा भनेको छ; ब्राह्मणम् क्शेत्रियम् बिशाम शुद्राणाम परन्तप कर्माणि प्रविभक्तानि स्वभाव प्रव वैर्गुणै!! जन्म ले कोहि ब्राह्मण हुदैन, कर्म ले मात्र हुने हो; नेपाल को हाल को निलम्बित राजा को राजगुरु, दर्बार का चाकडीबाज तथा-कथित बाहुन हरु कोहि ब्राहम्ण होइनन्; माथिको परिभाशा एउटा पनि उनिहरु सग मिल्दैन; दिउसो राजा को चाकडी मा अनेकौ अपराध बुन्ने, राति राजाले दियेको गाडी मा नोकर चाकर आरे पासी सहित भट्टि मा सेकुवा र बियर धोक्ने, लोभ लालच र भौतिक नरक मा डुबेका पिचाश हरु ब्राह्मण हुदैनन् यि भन्दा हिमाल को फ़ेदि को गुम्बा वरि परि भेडा चराउने कर्म योगि ध्यान मार्गि सरल लामा ब्रह्मण हुन सक्दछन्! जन्म भनेको केहि होइन! कर्म को शुद्धता, जिवन शैलि को सरलता र आध्यात्मिक शुद्धता भनेको ब्रह्मण हो; यि पापि राजा को पाउ पुजा गरेर राति व्हिस्कि डकार्ने अनि छोरा छोरि बिदेश पलायन गर्ने मान्शाहारि नर-पिशाच हरु ब्राह्मण होइनन१ त्यस् अर्थमा नेपाल मा ब्रह्मण कति नै बाकि होलान हो, तेस्ता राजा का चाकड चोर हरु लाइ गालि गर्नु पर्छ तर यो लेख् लेख्ने लेखक अलि पुर्वाग्रहि जस्तो लाग्यो; नेपाल का चोर हरु लाइ अमेरिका को कु कुक्स क्लान सग अलिक दाज्न मिल्दैन! यि कु कुक्स क्लान हरु भनेका मान्छे को मासु खाने शैतान हुन, तेति शैतान चाहि नेपाल मा ग्यानेन्द्रे र प्रचण्डे बाहेक कोहि छैन अर्को कुरा धार्मिक द्रिस्टि ले हज्जारुअ बर्श देखि शान्त् नेपाल मा धार्मिक असहिश्णुता का कुरा पनि न गरिदिउन, है? सन्सार मा क्रिश्चियन् र मुसल्मान हरु १४०० सय बर्श देखि लड्दै आयेका छन्, आज को बिकसित सन्सार, अमेकिका जस्तो ठाउ झन झन् धार्मिक अन्ध् बिश्वासि हुदै गै रहेको छ; नेपाल लाइ यो रोग बाट सबै मिलेर बचाउ नेपाल मा पनि सबै को ध्यान राजनिति मा मात्र गै रहेको ले क्रिश्चियन् मिशिनरि र मुसल्मान् हरु पसेर धमा धम नेपालि हरु लाइ धर्म परिवर्तन् को खरिद बिक्रि गर्दै छन् यो सम्बन्ध मा चाहि केहि गर्नै पर्ने जस्तो छ, नभये नेपाल को सबै भन्दा पहिला आदि बासि सन्स्क्रिति सम्पूर्ण रुप मा लोप भयेर जान्छ telic_op (09:12:54) : wow, excellent job, realy liked this article. most of all written by koirala dude. hope the people engulfed in this bahunbad shiiit realize this for wellbeing n better of whole diversely cultured people living in nepal. we all r proud nepalese. Ananta Risal (09:42:52) : My dear friends, This whole world is driven by 3 ‘gunas’ - characteristics. I think you all are comparing oranges with apples. Don’t get mis-judgmental on the professions vs. our innate nature. It is not the Brahmin, Chhetriya, Baisya or Sudra is any hireachical orders. It’s the social doctrine to define labour of division. In olden days we were what our professions were. The ’sankars’- your identiy is all the combination of - your nature. It all comes all from the food that you eat. Who you gang out with, what your education system is. Education here doen’t mean the modern or western I am defining. It could be your home-grown knowledge. Your grand-mother given stories. Your thoughts make you what you are, words that you speak makes you what you are. Ravan was a born-Brahmin but look what he has become. Off course he was a great scientist but look what he did to Sita and her pure thoughts. The education that provides you fearlessness, unites you with the divinity, teaches you to believe in charity, giving and distributing, compassion to all being, modesty and determination, absence of pride and ego, forgiveness, fortitude and truthfullness. These are the symptoms of a well being. Now look at your surroundings- no matter where you are and identify those beings who you can trust and rely on. Make use of your OWN knowledge and truly identfy now who the real Brahman is. The Buddha within you is what you’re looking for. But leave all these places, politics, the country, society, family - that you’ll never find anywhere the true person in your life who can save any other human being. You have to turn towards your own innate nature. It is you who you’re looking for and can represent your inner-self. Be a leader and let this world know that you can give the world a true democracy, you are the one who can give this world a great wisdom of oneness. Rest is all BULL-SHIT. Paribartan (10:16:23) : I had already read it elsewhere. Somewhere I find it little bit subjective without academic vigor. “Bahunbad” or “Bahunism” -this terms itself is a pariah for many bahuns because they perceive that it is a lathi to hit them with. Reasons are obvious becasue Bahunbad is grossly mininterpreted. It is being touted as making Bahuns jobless. This is not true. Bahunbad is divisive, discriminatory and justifies heinous actions of powerful ones. Please give a dekko at my take on bahunbad here. Paribartan (10:47:02) : मनुस्मृति र अन्य हिन्दु ग्रन्थहरुमा उल्लेख गरिए अनुरुप ब्राह्मणहरु भगवान ब्रम्हाका मुखबाट पैदा भएका हुन रे, तसर्थ ब्राम्हणहरु मानव मात्रमा सर्वोत्तम हुन भन्ने सोचाई हाम्रो परम्परागत समाजमा व्याप्त छ । धर्मलाई ढाल बनाउने तत्वहरुका लागी मनुस्मृती र अन्य धार्मिक ग्रन्थका यी शब्दहरु अन्यलाई होच्याउने, खसाउने र समाजमा आफ्नो र आफ्नो जातीविशेषको वर्चश्व राख्नका लागी त्यसरी नै सहायक सिद्धहुन गयो जसरी गाँउघरमा जमिन्दारहरुका लागी तमसुकमा निरक्षर गाँउलेका घरखेत खाने ल्याप्चे सहयोग हुन पुगेको थियो । हुन त, स्वामी विवेकानन्दले बाहुन भनेको कर्मले हुन्छ जन्मले होईन भनेर नभनेका होईनन, तर आफ्ना हाली-मूहाली चलाउनेहरुका लागी न गान्धीका भनाईहरु स्वीकार्य छन न विवेकानन्दकै । यसर्थ, वाहुनवाद भनेको जातीय उच्चताका आधारमा समाजको हरेक क्षेत्रमा हाली-मूहाली चलाउन खोज्ने जातिवादीहरुले खडा गरेको गोप्य सँजाल हो र एउटा सामाजिक वितन्डा हो । भारतमा वाहुनवादका विरुद्ध गान्धी देखि लिएर पेरियारसम्मले आ-आफ्नै आन्दोलन चलाउनु परेका थिए भने नेपालमा पनि वाहुनवादी सोचलाई नष्ट गर्नका लागी प्रयास नगरिएको होईन । तर, हाम्रो नेपाली राजनितिको सन्दर्भमा भने सामाजिक क्रान्तीका नाराका रुपमा समानता, र समावेशीतालाई जति सुकै अँगालेता पनि व्यवहारमा भने वाहुनवादी सोच त्यतिकै हावी छ । पहिले जस्तो तल्लो जात र समूदायका मान्छेलाई सिधै छि:छी: दुर-दुर गर्नुका सट्टा गुपचुप रुपमा केही नबोलिकनै अन्य जातका मान्छेलाई तल पार्ने र आफ्नो जातका लाई माथी लाने रणनितिमा अहिले वाहुनवादीहरु लागेका देखिन्छन । अन्य जात-जातिका मान्छेहरु सत्ता र राजनितिमा पछाडी पर्नुका प्रमुख कारक तत्वका रुपमा उनिहरुका सँख्यात्मक कमजोरी मात्र नभएर हामी नै माथि जानु पर्छ र अरुलाई तल पार्नु पर्छ भन्ने वाहुनवादिहरुका सोच प्रमुख हो । Prakash (12:22:45) : This is wonderful article that can very much correspond to the ground reality of Nepali politics and power. Just as puritans (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puritan) landed in North America from England (Anglo-saxons) to govern the terrory in the name of religion - Christian protestainism so the Bahuns from Northern India in Nepal to rule in the name of Hinduism. Bahunsism is the way of life of Caucasian race http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race and Caucains need the power - power of politics, power of religion, power of money, power of sex. Their genes are coded with the power. Bahunism have possessed religious and political powers not only in Nepal but in all over south Asia. The most of the religious gurus of India are advocates of Bahunism. Even in Pakistan the people in power both in politics and religions are converted Muslim Bahuns. As a matter of fact Bahunists do not care democracy or autocracy. But what they care is the power. If the institutions of the monarchy is going to give them power then they would not mind to call the king the incarnation of the god. Devinism of the mocarchy must assure their power. So the democracy must guarantee their power share in the bodies of government - executive, legislative and judiciary. Those who do not get the power they become rebel to strike the insurgency. The Maoist People’s Revolution is one of the examples even though it has triggered so much positive and negative socio-political outcomes for change in public thinking. Bahunism and Hindu: Every on knows by this time (at list watching Mahabharata Movie, if not ever read the Bhagavat Geeta) that the attributions of Bahuna or Chetrya or any other family name (caste) are determined by the actions (way of life) of the individual or family or community. In none of the Vedic literature the word ‘Hindu’ exists, scholarly evidence are all over the scripts, in the library and the web. The word ‘Hindu’ was given by the Persians to the people of ‘Sindha delta’ in the beginning of the 7th century. Refer to Origins of the word Hindu: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu Hindu is derived from the Persian pronunciation of the Sanskrit word Sindhu (Sanskrit: सिन्धु, the name for the Indus River), located in what is now Pakistan.[13] The Persians, using the word “Hindu” for “Sindhu”, referred to the people who lived near or across the Sindhu River as “Hindus”, and their religion later became known as “Hinduism.” The hirarchy of Bahunism: Upadhya = Pujari, Puraheta (who knows vedas at list karmakanda - family ritual and puja-ajas Jaisi = those who did not are degraded as haliya (farmer) of Upadhya Kumaiya Bahun: Pandye, Panta, Bhatta, Joshi, Upreti, Paneru, etc Prubiaya Bahun: Bhattarai, Dhahal, Koirala, Sitaula, Dhakal, Wagle, etc Modern terms: Sharma for all Bahunas Since the Bahunism stands for power - any power at any cost with any consipirasy and insurgency! It will be good for all Nepali people if power hunger Bahuna elites seek power through competetive electoral democracy. This will be fair and just for all no matter how much descripancy will be there in the electoral procedures. At list people have chance to compete. The best democratic governance system for Nepal is Federal system that will give people right in the most local level to govern thier constituency through the competative electoral procedures. This procedures will eliminate the government employees’ appointments by the central governments to rule the constituencies of the nation - unitary or feudal oligarchic system. The employees of the local governments in the federal system must be the local residence of the local state. This will give opportunity to all ethnic people to jobs in their own constituencies. No individuals from Bhojpur are going to rule Jumla or Humla as state employees. This will eliminate a lot of Brahamins in executive, legislative and judiciary bodies of local government who live in Kathmandu and go to run the district administration, police office and court of Jumla or Doti or Taplejung. The majoriy employees of the current government of Nepal are Bahunasists. So there is some hope for Nepali people to share political power with the Braminists. No Braminists will have to seek power competitatively with the list nepotism and favoritism through family lobby - oligarchic lobbism. All Braminists democrat, royalists, Maoists, Socialists must see their power seeking genetic drives in Federal Democratic Republic. It is the ground reality that supporting monarchy or any extrime polity will not make them powerful anymore. No matter how extrimely they support monarchy they will have to step down and learn how to practice competative electoral democracy. This is the destiny of Nepal and I am sure they are smart enough to drop all the extrimist attitudes towards democracy for power in the name of the institution of monarchy and Hindu nation. In this modern time no Braminists have Vedic wa y of life. If there are in Nepal they will be not more than ten fingures of both human hands. The religion for Bahunists are the means to get power in the society. Everybody knows this plainly. Now the competative electoral democracy will be the best means for all Nepali people to get opportunity and for Braminsits to get power. If Braminists will find the way to get power from competative electoral democracy Nepal will move ahead for successful accomplishment of CA elections. If not as writer has pointed out the extrist Braminists will try to obstruct. I think CA election will be successful and Braminists in majority will support it. But when the time for the restructuring the nation under the Federal Governance Structure might bring problem. The Interim Constitution of Nepal 2063 that I have downloaded yesterday has still some terminoligical descripancies especially Bhaga - 18 article 143 and 144 under ‘Local autonomy governance system - “Swayetta Ganatantra and Local Nikaya”. It has mentioned that according to the New Federal Structure nation will have “Kirat Ganatantra (Repulic), Madhesi Ganatantra (Republic), Tamang Ganatantra (Republic), Newa Ganatantra (Republic), Tamuwan Ganatantra (Republic), Magar Ganatantra (Republic), Tharu Ganatantra (Republic), Veri-Karnali Ganatantra (Republic), and Seti-Mahakali Ganatantra (Republic). I have not understood the ‘Ganatantra’ and with my best knowledge I can translated it to Repulic. In my understanding under Federal System each local state should be called in Nepali ‘Prantiya Sarkar.’ It is Nepal which will be called ‘Federal Democratic Republic of Nepal.’ Such Republic will have autonomous self-governing local state government ‘Prantiya Sarkar.’ Also, with in the state governments (Prantiya Sarakar) there will be village and city governments which will have to some extend the autonomousity and self-governance status. How can this be clear to the Braminists elites in government and politics is challenging. If this gets messed up then Braminists will have old way to get the power. Again the marginalized people will remain behind. I hope Mr. Wagle will be able to get authenic information on it to make the young generations aware of the fact so that the fundamental federal structure will get established from the local level of governance in Nepal. Nepali People's Rights Forum (12:42:43) : Excelent article. Bahunism is pretty dominant all over the government power and polity of Nepal! The Federal government system will be fundamental to bring Braminism under fair and just democratic system. Unitary system as feudal oligarchic must be dismantled. This will be the solution to equilize the opportunity for all. ck2 (13:10:17) : This is really a well written and thought provoking article. I have read Dor Bahadur Bista’s book (let me remind people here, that he dissappeared soon after the book was published), but this article really puts the final nail in the coffin. If I could add that as the author has suggested that all Bahuns do not fall under this category, I would also say that there are others who are’nt “Brahmin” who do. Time for the fatalists to let go, then we will truly be a country to speak of - inclusiveness, democracy, and yes giving everybody space and meaning it. sprasha (16:41:29) : There a lot truth in the article. Well written. Can the author or somebody suggest what to do to resolve the issue of Bahun Baad. What do we do?? Kill all the bahuns or put in the constitution that eligibility for member of the parliament should be only non-bahuns. The autrocity of the Chettris is non less than that of Bahuns. The bahun baad syndrome should be applied for both these groups. Patriot (19:27:14) : Now this is wht i mean by catching the bull by its horns … this movement against bahun-baad must continue. they are the biggest obstacle to Nepal’s progress. Mero Desh (20:31:23) : I am a bahun and I myself say that let this bragging about caste system dissolve once and for all. Instead of giving a person a chance based on caste, let there be selection based on caliber. Thats all I have to say and lets not get tangled in some caste issue. Any Nepali must be treated equally and anyone who treats others unequally must be punished whether the person be bahun or chettri or janjati or madhesi. Only solution for this is to have the leaders address all the issues and amend the constitution that clearly states no discrimination based on caste. There also must be very strict punishment who exercises this caste system. Let us all live in peace and harmony without accusing each other based on caste. We are Nepali first and then janjati or madhesi or chettri or bahun. We have other issue to resolve like building new Nepal from the root level, striping maoist of their weapons, most important of all provide freedom and basic necessity to people of Nepal Jai Nepal and Pashupati Nath le sabai lai buddhi pradan garun. kaale dai (21:10:24) : लेखकको ग्याने बचाउने दाउ ! प्रष्टै देखिन्छ । तर बचेको बचै हो । बिचरा । हुन पनि हो । ग्याने लाई ङ्याक्ने र तिनका बाउ बाजेलाइ सजिलो गरी खान नदिने बाहुन नै हुन् । अनि किन रिस नउठोस् ? तर बाहुनलाई जति गाली गरे पनि बाहुनको केही खुल्किने होइन । किनकि बाहुनको न भाषा छ, न संस्कृति छ । पहिले परम्परामा बाँधिएर (यो खानु हुँदैन, त्यो गर्नु हुँदैन) धेरै कुरामा खुम्चिएर बसेकाहरू अहिले सबै कुरामा फुक्किएर हिँडेका छन् । सायद, अहिले गाइ खानेमा सबैभन्दा ज्यादा बाहुन नै छन् । अन्य जातकाहरू हाम्रो भाषा, हाम्रो संस्कृति भनेर कुदेका छन् । यो बाहुन छेत्रीहरूको र शक्तिमा पुगेका मतवालीहरूको चाल हो भन्ने तिन्ले खै बुझेका ? बाहुन छेत्रीहरू नेपाली पनि छाडेर अंग्रेजीको पछि दौडेदै छन् प्रगति को खोजीमा । अन्य जातहरू उल्टो बाटो हिड्दैछन । Kirat (21:25:02) : Hats off for the author for thinking out of the box and to UWB for publishing the article. Not all Bahuns are bad and janjatis and madeshis are guilty of many shortcomings too but what an honest attempt by the author to explain the strange conditions we find ourselves in, in this ‘modern’ day. Hats off! sprasha (22:50:09) : It is amazing. This is the first time almost all the bloggers have a common view. Are Bahuns really the culprit of the chaos and ill effect in Nepalese society? The religious corruption practiced by the pundits to keep their no-good siblings continuity of the status is and has been the main issue. I do not think we can put restriction to Bahuns not to fight for election. The cultural side of praying and temple duties would still be needed. The answer is to bring up the educational and economic levels of those who are being oppressed and the new political environment is an opportunity. I am hopeful that some of the issues in this regard will be addressed.