awwite!! ive been seein' this thread on top for a long time.....it seems to go down for a while...and then its back on top again...so after I noticed the exponentially increasin' number of posts...i cudnt help but have a look.....i dint go thru' all the previous posts..but after readin' a few of them....which were repetitive....I assumed I knew what was in the other posts..and the CONCLUSION I derived was..that...."this discussion is never gonna converge to a point,no matter how much convincing arguments are put forth by either side" Its not an argument anymore...its more of a personal war now. The reason being "maile bhaneko thik ho..taile mannai parchha" attitude. The 'ego' factor has crept in and there sure aint anythin' sensible thats gonna come out of it....extreme chauvinism and liberalism (not sure if thats the right word) sure dont go hand in hand...after all!! so i think its about time u gave each other and yor poor li'l keyboards a "much needed break" ..and the sajhaites too..altho' most of 'em must be deriving immense pleasure out 'o it all....!!!..n then u might say that I always have the option to "not open this thread"...and.."mind my own business" .but then....aafu pani nepali ta pariyo...ramita herna ta man lai halchha ni....he he he!!!!! ..no offence