i wouldn't say copy... i mean the 3-tier theme system is common on all multi sectioned websites (onion, latimes, watimes...), however I am glad you think it looks like nytimes... beacuse it was kind of my benchmark cant really copy the design from nytimes you know... nytimes has too many lawyers, 1 line of code code and they would sack me.. :) this is totally my creation, no wonder i use all tables instead of divs or spans... i am newbie at css... its just annoying have to learn so many new scripts... but yea.. kudos!! woo copied from nytimes.. you know what would be better?? nytimes clone!!