Nepe Dai, I respect you very much ... isn't Dai title not enough for testimony :)? I not only respect you but love you too. Nepe Dai, Here is my last try to tell you a universal truth.....I have illustrated as much as I can. You need " Intelligence, attention and discipline all three to learn something, if anyone of these is missing, you can not learn". This is not Buddhism, this is universal truth and science. You wrote: Then the MOST IMPORTANT thing for learning is sufficient degree ofINTELLIGENCE required for that particular whatever is being learned. For a given thing, a more intelligent person can AFFORD being less "disciplined" and learn the same thing with the same or more EFFICIENCY than a less intelligent person with more "discipline". So, intelligence rules. Discipline does not. Did you find me anywhere saying that intelligence dosn't rule. I am repeatedly saying that Intelligence is the most important factor but it is not sufficient. I told you earlier as well, if you are intelligent but you are not attentive, you can not learn. Since you are intelligence, you can learn things with less attention, but you need attention. You are intelligent but you do all short of disturbing things, like killing, stealing, hurting others, indulge in sexual misconduct, indulged in gambling, and all short of nasty things. There will be a lot of disturbance in your mind. You will not be able to keep your attention for long time because your mind will be disturbed. Yet you will be able to learn because you have good intelligence. However, you can't learn as effectively as you could have if you were disciplined. Moreover, you can't learn those subtle things with instentanious attention which needs fairly long undisturbed atttention, no matter how intelligence you are. You can not get non-perturbing attention until you have fairly good conducts. Intelligence (Wisdom) is very importance factor but it is not sufficient. Its property is to know, it can not know until you become attentative, no matter how intelligent you are. Attentativeness can not last long if you are wild. This is another fact. You have limited experience of learning. To learn your Biology, you don't need continious attention. While reading one page your mind goes out many time. It goes out for short period of time sometime, you don't even notice. You believe that you are so focused. I don't wonder, why you are not getting my point. You know just that world where you hardly need a minute long continious attention. You can be attentative for 59 sec and then remember your GFs face :) for 20 sec. Then be attentative for another 59 sec and remember Drew Barrymore in 50 first dates and so on so forth. It works! It works great! However, when you have to explore your mind and body you need hours long continuous attention. If you are not perfectly discipline, those nasty memories you have done will break the attention. I remember a guy from NY saying after he completed his 10 day meditation course. "Oh man! when I close my eye my GF comes naked in front of me :)" . He was actually trying to be focused at a point. If he were a monk he wouldn't be facing this because of the disciplined life. This is just an example. IF you are not disciplined you are bound to face disturbances in your mind and that will certainly effect the learning. If you are very intelligence and not disciplined, you will learn less in the time you would have learned if you were disciplined. Very straight forward. Don't compare yourself with dull people. They are less intelligence than you. They will learn slower. They need to be more disciplined and more attentative than you becasuse they are not gifted with intelligence. In Buddha's teaching, there were people who meditated few minutes and reached to final goal. There were people who meditated for their life and couldn't reach to the goal. It depends on individual intelligence. In your language you are saying individual genetic.