Nepe Dai, You speak pretty much like Buddha; after all both of you are scientists :). There is no room for belief in Buddha's teaching . Buddha's teaching start with truth and ends on truth. If you leave the truth you leave the Buddha's teaching. Stay with me I will prove. I am glad that you have no objection to accept that Discipline , Awareness and Wisdom are three qualities to learn something. Let me explain this point in more detail. If you are not disciplined, you can not be mindful if you are not mindful you can not understand. In other words.. No discipline no awareness .... No awareness .... No wisdom Isn't this a truth? Isn't this a science? Isn't this applicable to everybody? If you are not disciplined. If you are adicted to alcohol, if you always chase women, if you indulge on smoking weed or any other drugs, if you waste your time by chating, talking with your friends and by surfing poisionous websites, if you involve in fighting, killing, stealing, playing cards and doing different type of nasty things ... there will be storm in your mind and you can not concentrate on what you want to learn (ie lose awareness), if you can not concentrate you can not know (lose wisdom, knowledge). Remember you old buddies from high school to university. You are now a scientist in the scientifically most developed county. You left many of your friends behind. Discipline could be one of the reasons of your success. You couldn't be scientist if you didn't have self control or if you were not disciplined. Discipline is very important factor for concentration (focus, awareness, attentiveness) and concentration is important factor for wisdom (knowledge). You can know things only if you are concentrated. So discipline (self control) is prerequisite for concentration (awareness, attentiveness) and concentration is prerequisite for knowledge (wisdom). These three are the key words, here I repeats again, one leading to another: Discipline --> Awareness -->Wisdom In other words Self control --> Concentration -->Knowledge in other words Morality --> Attentiveness --> Rationality It's not true that the Discipline comes first and Wisdom comes last. They help each other. If you are wise you feel the importance of discipline and attentativeness. If you are attentative, you can not break discipline. So, they help each other. I claim that this is truth. To me truth is Science and I claim that this is a Science. Please feel free to show your disagreement on my claim. Any disagreement?