Nails, So, a second hand reading of the book.That's a luxury :-) *** **** **** **** *** Vishontar-jyu, You rightly speculated my fragmented and second hand knowledge regarding Buddha's teaching. Although I will need a serious study before I make conclusions, it looks like I can benefit from this conversation with you. You have a great style of elaborating things with examples. Regarding your question regarding "enlightenment", I was led to use it when you used the word for Buddatwa. So I particularly do not have a specific meaning about it. In fact, I think it's a ceremonial/qualitative word rather than a scientific (amenable to exact measurement) one. So it's quite a flexible word used to mean just about anything related to "knowing". In any case, Buddha's knowledge was limited. Mind that there are infinite number of things to "know" in this universe. So I will use the word accordingly. I hope I sound a reasonably skeptic and curious pupil to you :-) Nepe