well, that's how DV thing came into picture as far as i know. i am NOT generalizing here. please try to understand me. my uncle is a PhD in environmental engineering and he has got a DV for himself. another acquaintaince of mine who works as a garden keeper in my house won a DV too. Both of them are coming here on the same date. i am very excited for both of them. i reiterate, i have nothing against DV winners. LooTe