let me clarify. i did NOT mean to emanate hatred against DV winners from this thread. i simply wanted to put forth my experiences on nepali gatherings. irrespective of the education, experiences and nature of the participants, i have found that political discussions filled with "my point is the most apt one" notion take over the parties one way or the other. like chatmandude, i have NOTHING against DV lottery winners. moreover, the purpose behind the inception of the lottery system was to fill up the mid and lower level manpower requirement for uncle sam... LooTe