John, It's sad to see this ugly interruption in this otherwise so beautiful thread. You probably have realized by now that in a forum like this, it is not worth responding to abusive poster/posting. Ignore. That is the most powerful and effective tool to deal with abusive posters. Ignoring sends them all necessary messages in more powerful way than words can do. This is one of the few secrets of my survival in Sajha. So don't ever think of quitting Sajha because of abuse. Also remember posters like you have made Sajha worth sticking to for many visitors. *** *** *** I generally do not respond to abuse. However, I am going to say to NAS that the vulgar song he posted and brought this ugly turn was uncalled for. And I am saying it to him because I was in impression, after reading it in one of sticky thread how he won Sajha award for best pictures and donated the prize money to a good cause, that he is one of responsible posters in Sajha. That is all I have to say. Good time in Sajha to everybody. Nepe