That's what gets me hopelesss.... Your capacity and desire is not enough, you have to suck up to netas... but when you stick with those corrupt netas and learn their tricks, the net effect is zero... Oldies will die and those new ones will learn their tricks and follow their footsteps... Anyways, I still believe that it's not the system, but people that can make the difference. And yes dead_burton, I am asking you the question, but shall wait for your thread to find the answer *winks*....