Nepe, Now I have more know-how about the N"D"GG group from your response. I have no idea about who are banging their head on the wall to belong in that sacrosanct coterie of self-styled democrats, but my comments was strictly on the basis of the verity that I saw in Sajha. The fact that Nepal "Democracy" Google Group NEEDS Sajha and the likes of it, in terms of OPEN and IMPARTIAL entity such that the general ignorant populace can know of its existence, without which, NDGG, as it appears, shall only be an ego booster for so long for most of its members, is proof enough why open, impartial and nondiscriminatory platform is a better choice than the one NDGG has. After all, what good is ANY self-serving, illuminating, quality, or total bullshit democratic dialogue for NEPAL and NEPALESE that some people have inside the closed door, not available for the VERY PUBLIC that needs to understand it? I mean, it seems like a group, by and large, does have a motive for Nepal and Nepalese from your prophecy here in Sajha, or is it just an entertainment place for "I say hey, and you say hello and we'll all clap" bunch of real/pseudo elites? With due respect to the credentials of the participant out there, I have a subtle feeling that we, here in Sajha, have equally qualified bunch of ignorant, who are equally capable (if not better) to understand ANY diverse and new-fangled (rational or otherwise) logic. We MAY or MAY NOT need another forum akin to Sajha, but as the NDGG, including you, seem to advertise itself as a coterie whose larger interest is for DEMOCRACY for OUR nation and US, I could not help but wonder about the irony of its moderation. PERHAPS few people who named and orchestrated the NDGG might not have a taste to listen and commune with general populace; while those very people wants to bring some positive change for democratic Nepal (The theme is was Nepal Democracy right?). Now, to put it mildly, is not that IRONIC? Rest, you guys know better. IndisGuise :).