Shree5, My point is simple. The words "democracy" and "closed group" simply do NOT go together, except in a wink-wink sort of ironical manner. If irony was the intended effect, fine. Thik cha. One can be amused by that, and that's the end of it. ***** Sure, you can have a closed group to discuss anything under the sun. That's fine. But once you call it "a closed group", then, puh-leez, don't insult your readers' intelligence by informing them further that, "oh, by the way, it's a group for pro-democracy kura-kani". Tetti ho yaar. My further point is: If democracy means that much to anyone, then, why not subject ALL pro-democracy kura-kani to continuous public scrutiny? Sure, you'll attract trash when you do that; but you'll also get a lot of good feedback. Attracting BOTH trash and good stuff is, alas, what debating/acting/reacting democratically is all about. It's just that, after a while, one hopes that the level of trash falls off to a tolerable level. That said, there is no such thing as sanitized-for-your-safety democracy anywhere. Democracy is an inherently messy thing that requires even the wisest to at least acknowledge the voice of the idiot. oohi ashu