haha... that's ok. i don't want to change/redefine the parameters just to extend this debate... i think i have made my point, and so have you, and we both understand each other... so lets just leave it at that... anything more will be just for the sake of arguing and i know we both have no time for that... if the readers care to read, we've given them ample info already thru our arguments... i hope you agree... sorry about the late response... good day!