John,I really enjoyed reading it. the other day I was telling a doctor friend of mine what really happend, I was posted in one of the Sadarmukam hospital and I remeber one of the gentleman complained his wife got pregnant eventhough he used the condoms , I did ask him what was thereason behind , was he sure it wasn't torn he did replied me kahan hunu ni doctor sahab , jasari sikako thiyo tayasari nai lagayeko, i asked how he showed me he used the condoms into one of his finger before doing it. but when I here in USA, the other day I had this patient of mine who told me condoms gettear down during the intercourse. so two different people.