Amen Highfly. Its good to know someone in the sajha bulletin is result oriented and doesn't beleive in the bullshit of blame game. Anti_Monarqi, very good observation but u point out the obivious. What is the purpose of your comparison? You don't point out solutions? So both are screwed up, it would be great if you could lay out your ideas for the alternative solution (i.e. if you have time).